Copycat Signatures: Chipmixer and Wasabi - page 5.

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I saw some conversations about wasabi wallet, almost all countries talk about wasabi wallet.

This problem seems to be asked directly to the party (mixer site), because Wasabi wallet is included in the official list (mixer site).

As posted below;

Quote from: Tom Bombadil on November 21, 2019, 04:41:33 AM

Bitcoin kullanırken fonlarının anonim yani gizli kalmasını isteyen insanlar mixer servislerini kullanırlar. Gizli kalmak bir tercih meselesidir. Bitcoinde bir alım yaptığınızda alım yaptığınız taraf sizin kim olduğunuzu da biliyorsa istediği gibi sizin işlemlerinizi takip edebilir. Mixer servisleri bu takibi ortadan kaldırmak için vardır. Sizden btc'yi alır parçalara ayırır, size başka adreslerden gönderim yapar. %100 elbette gizlilik mümkün olmasa da %99 sağlanabilmektedir.

Aşağıda çok kullanılan mixer sitelerini, linklerini, forum duyurularını ve komisyon oranlarını liste olarak bulabilirsiniz. Ayrıca bazı bilinen, güvenilmez, dolandırıcı mixer sitelerinin listesini de aşağıda bulabilirsiniz.

Turkey:
Topic: Bitcoin Mixer Servisleri - 2019 Güncel Liste (Çok Kullanılanlar ve Scam Olanlar)

Turkey;
Topic: [Karıştırıcılar] Chipmixer kullanımı

German;
Topic: Wasabi wallet. Signatur mit Gpg4win überprüfen. Nur Anzeige von 16 Stellen

Rusian:
Topic: Wasabi Wallet - Кoшeлeк для бeзoпacныx тpaнзaкций

Topic: BestMixer.io vs. Wasabi wallet

In this case the (signature) used by the same wasabi wallet is similar to sig Chipmixer, i think it is official by the party (mixer site). This is my estimation.

Only problem: (wasabi wallet) does not hold campaigns in this bitcointalk forum.

Maybe, someone can contact the party (mixer site), to ask this, (signature) wasabi wallet.

this is just what I know and I found, at first glance makes sense, the wasabi sig wallet is taken from the Chipmixer example, because they are the official site of the (mixer site).

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Quote from: examplens on February 29, 2020, 11:11:35 AM

Quote from: Lauda on February 29, 2020, 11:02:58 AM

Quote from: JollyGood on February 29, 2020, 11:00:00 AM

I was not asking about Wasabi, I read up on them and have no interest in what they say can deliver.

It is not what they say they can, they have delivered! Wasabi is an amazing wallet, which provides decentralized permission-less mixing - think of it as the next level of your classic mixers. This is probably why the user, on their own, did this. They want to promote this amazing wallet - because actually amazing wallets do not have marketing budgets like all the multi-coin garbage like Coinomi or Enjin.

But it is obviously a clickbait. Using someone's else design to promote similarly service is conscious deception. The low marketing budget is not enough justification.

Wasabi has no budget, they have not authorized anyone to do this. Wasabi is one of the sources of good, not evil.

Quote from: JollyGood on February 29, 2020, 11:11:49 AM

I guess the user needs to explain himself as using the Chipmixer (or any) signature without permission does not look good.

I am waiting for a response too.

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So it seems they have an amazing wallet but they have not given permission to said user to alter the Chipmixer signature to promote Wasabi.

I guess the user needs to explain himself as using the Chipmixer (or any) signature without permission does not look good.

Quote from: Lauda on February 29, 2020, 11:02:58 AM

Quote from: JollyGood on February 29, 2020, 11:00:00 AM

I was not asking about Wasabi, I read up on them and have no interest in what they say can deliver.

It is not what they say they can, they have delivered! Wasabi is an amazing wallet, which provides decentralized permission-less mixing - think of it as the next level of your classic mixers. This is probably why the user, on their own, did this. They want to promote this amazing wallet - because actually amazing wallets do not have marketing budgets like all the multi-coin garbage like Coinomi or Enjin.

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Quote from: Lauda on February 29, 2020, 11:02:58 AM

Quote from: JollyGood on February 29, 2020, 11:00:00 AM

I was not asking about Wasabi, I read up on them and have no interest in what they say can deliver.

It is not what they say they can, they have delivered! Wasabi is an amazing wallet, which provides decentralized permission-less mixing - think of it as the next level of your classic mixers. This is probably why the user, on their own, did this. They want to promote this amazing wallet - because actually amazing wallets do not have marketing budgets like all the multi-coin garbage like Coinomi or Enjin.

But it is obviously a clickbait. Using someone's else design to promote similarly service is conscious deception. The low marketing budget is not enough justification.

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Quote from: LoyceV on February 29, 2020, 11:05:40 AM

Quote from: Lauda on February 29, 2020, 10:52:45 AM

If it is only Gyrsur, I ~~suggest that you contact him and get this remedied~~. I have sent him a PM.

He has been on and off trolling the ChipMixer signature campaign thread for a very long time, I'm not even sure if it was because he's rejected from the campaign or something else.

Quote from: tyKiwanuka on February 29, 2020, 11:00:58 AM

Afaik these signatures are not copy-righted and publicly available

Almost everything is copyrighted, but the thing that gets you banned would be for plagiarism.

If that is indeed the case again, then this is not good. The user must respond as soon as possible.

Quote from: hosseinimr93 on February 29, 2020, 11:06:14 AM

Campaigns usually pay for designing their signature. Using the design freely is kind of cheating. Only participants of the campaign ~~should be~~ are allowed to use the design.

FTFY. This has always been the case. Promotional theft of designs, i.e. copy design and make minor adjustments then promote your own service/company, was always dealt swiftly with negative ratings.

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Quote from: tyKiwanuka on February 29, 2020, 11:00:58 AM

Afaik these signatures are not copy-righted and publicly available, so I guess everybody is free to use or modify them. I always thought, that this could lead to issues, not sure what this Wasabi one is about though.

I don't agree.
Campaigns usually pay for designing their signature. Using the design freely is kind of cheating. Only participants of the campaign should be allowed to use the design.

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Quote from: Lauda on February 29, 2020, 10:52:45 AM

If it is only Gyrsur, I ~~suggest that you contact him and get this remedied~~. I have sent him a PM.

He has been on and off trolling the ChipMixer signature campaign thread for a very long time, I'm not even sure if it was because he's rejected from the campaign or something else.

Quote from: tyKiwanuka on February 29, 2020, 11:00:58 AM

Afaik these signatures are not copy-righted and publicly available

Almost everything is copyrighted, but the thing that gets you banned would be for plagiarism.

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Quote from: JollyGood on February 29, 2020, 11:00:00 AM

I was not asking about Wasabi, I read up on them and have no interest in what they say can deliver.

It is not what they say they can, they have delivered! Wasabi is an amazing wallet, which provides decentralized permission-less mixing - think of it as the next level of your classic mixers. This is probably why the user, on their own, did this. They want to promote this amazing wallet - because actually amazing wallets do not have marketing budgets like all the multi-coin garbage like Coinomi or Enjin.

Quote from: tyKiwanuka on February 29, 2020, 11:00:58 AM

Quote from: Lauda on February 29, 2020, 10:52:45 AM

Only him? Nobody else?

It's the only user I saw with, but there might be more.

Afaik these signatures are not copy-righted and publicly available, so I guess everybody is free to use or modify them. I always thought, that this could lead to issues, not sure what this Wasabi one is about though.

No. You are not allowed to plagiarize anybody's signature design here.

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Thank you, that is the user I referred to.

Quote from: tyKiwanuka on February 29, 2020, 10:46:57 AM

I don't know nothing about it, but this user is wearing this sig: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gyrsur-62358

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Quote from: Lauda on February 29, 2020, 10:52:45 AM

Only him? Nobody else?

It's the only user I saw with, but there might be more.

Afaik these signatures are not copy-righted and publicly available, so I guess everybody is free to use or modify them. I always thought, that this could lead to issues, not sure what this Wasabi one is about though.

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Thank you for the reply YOSHIE but sorry you misunderstood.

I was not asking about Wasabi, I read up on them and have no interest in what they say can deliver. I was asking about the copycat signature. If they authorised the signature, why would they feel the need to copy the Chipmixer signature in the same way Unnamed Exchange copied the Yobit signature?

Quote from: YOSHIE on February 29, 2020, 10:56:03 AM

Quote from: JollyGood on February 29, 2020, 10:42:30 AM

Does anybody know anything about it?

maybe you can find it here:
For some information about Wahabi wallet.

Topic: Wasabi Wallet - Making Bitcoin Transactions Untraceable

Topic: Wasabi Wallet 1.0 Is Released

Topic: Enhanced privacy with Wasabi & Samourai wallets

Topic: Wasabi Wallet for ETH?

Topic: [2019-12-26] Binance Blockade of Wasabi Wallet Could Point to a Crypto Crack-Up

Topic: Wasabi Wallet - Making Bitcoin Transactions Untraceable

This is just information.

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Quote from: JollyGood on February 29, 2020, 10:42:30 AM

I cannot say for sure if it was an authorised signature by Wasabi or not but what is going on? First it was Unnamed Exchange that copied the Yobit banner of all banners and now this....

Another user who is doing the same is chesatochi. He is using design of cryptotalk campaign.
I had reported that action in this topic.

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Quote from: JollyGood on February 29, 2020, 10:42:30 AM

Does anybody know anything about it?

maybe you can find it here:
For some information about Wasabi wallet.

Topic: Wasabi Wallet - Making Bitcoin Transactions Untraceable

Topic: Wasabi Wallet 1.0 Is Released

Topic: Enhanced privacy with Wasabi & Samourai wallets

Topic: Wasabi Wallet for ETH?

Topic: [2019-12-26] Binance Blockade of Wasabi Wallet Could Point to a Crypto Crack-Up

Topic: Wasabi Wallet - Making Bitcoin Transactions Untraceable

This is just information.

Quote from: JollyGood on February 29, 2020, 11:00:00 AM

Thank you for the reply YOSHIE but sorry you misunderstood.

if that is, I don't know yet, why do they imitate sig Chipmixer.

It looks like the wasabi wallet logo is very much different from what is shown today, very similar to Chipmixer.
Maybe you have to wait for someone who knows about this problem, whether they are official or imitating.

Maybe I should find out about this, where did sig wasabi come from.

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Quote from: tyKiwanuka on February 29, 2020, 10:46:57 AM

I don't know nothing about it, but this user is wearing this sig: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gyrsur-62358

Only him? Nobody else?

Quote from: JollyGood on February 29, 2020, 10:42:30 AM

I cannot say for sure if it was an authorised signature by Wasabi or not but what is going on? First it was Unnamed Exchange that copied the Yobit banner of all banners and now this....

Wasabi is not a profitable service, and therefore has no signature campaign and therefore I doubt: 1) It is authorized - but you do not need anybody's approval to promote their activities with your signature. 2) It is authorized to plagiarize the signature.

If it is only Gyrsur, I ~~suggest that you contact him and get this remedied~~. I have sent him a PM.

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Quote from: JollyGood on February 29, 2020, 10:42:30 AM

I took the image and cropped it but was busy multi-tasking. somewhere along the line I lost the place/page and user that was showing the signature. I am trying to go through my browser history trying to find which user it was because maybe they were just testing it before rolling it out. I say that because I saw it just once which was several hours ago and now I just cannot find it.

Does anybody know anything about it?

I don't know nothing about it, but this user is wearing this sig: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gyrsur-62358

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I just saw a post earlier today which had a Wasabi wallet signature which is basically the Chipmixer signature with minor modifications:

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I cannot say for sure if it was an authorised signature by Wasabi or not but what is going on? First it was Unnamed Exchange that copied the Yobit banner of all banners and now this....

I took the image and cropped it but was busy multi-tasking. somewhere along the line I lost the place/page and user that was showing the signature. I am trying to go through my browser history trying to find which user it was because maybe they were just testing it before rolling it out. I say that because I saw it just once which was several hours ago and now I just cannot find it.

Does anybody know anything about it?

EDIT: This is the user that is showing the copycat signature: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gyrsur-62358 (Gyrsur)
We hope he will post and let us know what the story behind the copycat signature is.

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