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Topic: Could Satoshi Nakamoto be the CIA/NSA? - page 2. (Read 4257 times)

newbie
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June 28, 2015, 07:44:20 PM
#68
Alright, I see a lot of banter back and forth with zero proof other than "his name may be loosely translated to 'Central Intelligence' in English."

LOLMAO. That made me crack. How did everyone miss that? Like when they said Al Qaeda can be loosely translated to el CIAda
full member
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June 28, 2015, 07:36:06 PM
#67
Alright, I see a lot of banter back and forth with zero proof other than "his name may be loosely translated to 'Central Intelligence' in English."
legendary
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June 28, 2015, 07:34:54 PM
#66
What motivation would the NSA or CIA have to create an anonymous, decentralized digital currency?

Actually lots. If the dollar is indeed on weak ground, it makes sense for them to have control over the next world reserve currency. They would prefer it be their own creation, rather than Chinese RMB or some other rival.
If the NSA/CIA did create Bitcoin, they are in  control over the initial 1 million bitcoins. Not bad, is it?
copper member
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June 28, 2015, 02:52:00 PM
#65
Yeah, sure it could be CIA but isn't it more likely that someone figured out how to use their (NSAs) methods by backdooring bitcoin to potentially make a fortune?
sr. member
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June 28, 2015, 02:25:41 PM
#64
What motivation would the NSA or CIA have to create an anonymous, decentralized digital currency?
newbie
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June 28, 2015, 11:03:55 AM
#63
The NSA secret files were cracked and absconded by Eric Snowden. The CIA bungled intelligence and misled us into an unnecessary Iraq War.

These two organizations are far too inept and compromised to come up with such an elaborate scheme.

Are you saying they're dumb? Cause if you see what you stand to gain from the Iraq war. Isn't it obvious that you're literally taking every little scrap of fossil fuel oil left on the planet, while you're making the rest of the world change to gas power stations and heavy subsidies on households who invest in solar arrays.

NSA has been literally spying on its own citizens. It knows that rebellion is brewing in the hearts and minds of many. So it has to be on top of the situation just in case a sophisticated defiance rebellion starts.

Your general President Eisenhower warned against a milatary industrial complex that gets out of hand.
full member
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June 27, 2015, 10:43:00 PM
#62
The NSA secret files were cracked and absconded by Eric Snowden. The CIA bungled intelligence and misled us into an unnecessary Iraq War.

These two organizations are far too inept and compromised to come up with such an elaborate scheme.
legendary
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June 26, 2015, 08:28:30 AM
#61
well is a good point the US navy created TOR , and actually at the doors of creating quantum computers, but I have doubts that created bitcoin, they are not the only people with genius minds.
newbie
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June 25, 2015, 01:25:35 PM
#60
MOAR!!!
newbie
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June 25, 2015, 01:20:40 PM
#59
You do not have the security clearance to know that, or to even ask the question. Grin
No evidence just speculation. Bitcoin is open source, stop making up bullshit.

bullshit is what the economy thrives on, my fellow random person on a forum.  Grin
full member
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June 24, 2015, 08:14:02 PM
#58
You do not have the security clearance to know that, or to even ask the question. Grin
No evidence just speculation. Bitcoin is open source, stop making up bullshit.
newbie
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June 24, 2015, 04:07:29 PM
#57
well, it's a given that it is pure speculation and just a working theory. I don't have the leisure of time to go cross-examine the code, but if someone funds the project or we can maybe do some type of collective funding, then I will get a team organized to put this theory to rest.

Obviously if there's interest. I mean it would make for a badass movie if it's true, but yes it is science fiction only at this point, and in the trollolol archive is where it should be filed until further proof emerges.  Wink

Let's say you get funded to do your thing. how would you go about testing it?

Would you be willing to disclose your real identity to publish your research on the subject?

And why don't you include some of the other plausible theories while you're at it?

Some people don't care about personal recognition. Bitcoin has been a success and Satoshi is rich, he doesn't need to be famous. Also, it's a bad idea to disclose your identity when you are doing something that could challenge the banking status quo.

fair points there.

The way I would probably go about it, is to simulate the bitcoin network in a closed loop, and then test to capture what kind of data packets are being sent outside of the network or if the "complex equations the miners are solving" are being stored in some kind of repository. I'm thinking it doesn't need to be a large network but you need to be scalable in your testing, so more than few nodes are needed for sure.

Apart from that I'd hire people to go through the actual source code.

2nd point I would have to agree with manselr and not disclose my personal identifiable information.

3rd answer to your question is if we test other theories, it would become endless. I just want to know if bitcoin is secure as a protocol to use or not. There are so many theories that are wild out there, so tell me which ones are plausible and i'll tell you if it's doable or not.
legendary
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June 24, 2015, 03:57:50 PM
#56
well, it's a given that it is pure speculation and just a working theory. I don't have the leisure of time to go cross-examine the code, but if someone funds the project or we can maybe do some type of collective funding, then I will get a team organized to put this theory to rest.

Obviously if there's interest. I mean it would make for a badass movie if it's true, but yes it is science fiction only at this point, and in the trollolol archive is where it should be filed until further proof emerges.  Wink

Let's say you get funded to do your thing. how would you go about testing it?

Would you be willing to disclose your real identity to publish your research on the subject?

And why don't you include some of the other plausible theories while you're at it?

Some people don't care about personal recognition. Bitcoin has been a success and Satoshi is rich, he doesn't need to be famous. Also, it's a bad idea to disclose your identity when you are doing something that could challenge the banking status quo.
newbie
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June 24, 2015, 03:52:07 PM
#55
well, it's a given that it is pure speculation and just a working theory. I don't have the leisure of time to go cross-examine the code, but if someone funds the project or we can maybe do some type of collective funding, then I will get a team organized to put this theory to rest.

Obviously if there's interest. I mean it would make for a badass movie if it's true, but yes it is science fiction only at this point, and in the trollolol archive is where it should be filed until further proof emerges.  Wink

Let's say you get funded to do your thing. how would you go about testing it?

Would you be willing to disclose your real identity to publish your research on the subject?

And why don't you include some of the other plausible theories while you're at it?
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
June 24, 2015, 03:13:18 PM
#54
well, it's a given that it is pure speculation and just a working theory. I don't have the leisure of time to go cross-examine the code, but if someone funds the project or we can maybe do some type of collective funding, then I will get a team organized to put this theory to rest.

Obviously if there's interest. I mean it would make for a badass movie if it's true, but yes it is science fiction only at this point, and in the trollolol archive is where it should be filed until further proof emerges.  Wink
hero member
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June 24, 2015, 01:26:43 PM
#53
What if bitcoin miners are being used to generate rainbow tables for cracking password hashes. It is a known fact that with a rainbow table you can crack a password hash in seconds rather than years, and in big-O notation brute-forcing passwords takes O(n2) time which would also take years for a 14+ character password.

Now to generate a rainbow table with character set 0-9, a-z, A-Z, + all special characters (@!#$%^&*(){}/*-+_=) would also take years to generate in advance if you don't have access to a distributed grid of computers dividing the processing power between themselves. And it costs quite abit of BTC to buy processing power from the cloud. And coming to think of it, aren't the bitcoins miners doing just that?

Here's the genius part. What if the CIA/NSA devised a way so that the bitcoin miners are actually generating the rainbow hashes needed to crack any password up to 64 characters in length. Wouldn't that practically give them access to any corporation + home wifi + any account needed?

I can think of a multitude of applications to the bitcoin distributed network, not excluding DDOSing, generating hashes for different types of decoding algorithms such as MD5, SHA1 (which are the most commonly used to protect passwords in databases), etc. Even the term that miners are generating hashes gives you the slight doubt that, what if?

Alright you might argue that now developers are using salt mechanism, but still...its food for thought. Any fanboys who read the code, care to give their opinion? Now don't get me wrong, I'm just inserting the notion of what if? I quite like the uses of bitcoin myself.





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Here's the genius part. What if the CIA/NSA devised a way so that the bitcoin miners are actually generating the rainbow hashes needed to crack any password up to 64 characters in length. Wouldn't that practically give them access to any corporation + home wifi + any account needed?

So far as I know Bitcoin is open-source project and code was reviewed thousand times by great coders from around the world.
So far nobody found any hidden traps. What I am saying is your speculation is senseless.



PS.
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Wouldn't that practically give them access to any corporation + home wifi + any account needed?

Are you serious? Smiley mostly asking about home wifi part Smiley
Come on ... Smiley ...

@Satoshi, please tell us one day how much were you laughing from all of those speculations Smiley But well ... most of those speculations are not funny at all I must say and pointless.


Best regards.



What if its not the NSA or CIA the bitcoin miners are working for... but actually North Korea!

Possible?

OR....

What if Bitcoin was just an idea tossed out on the table by asic/wafer / hardware and chip manufacturers.

Guys... what if we designed a roadmap to create a product that the user creates themselves...

We allow people to:  PRINT MONEY.

Who wouldnt want this product right? They will buy it.

Now... how can we make it even more profitable.

GUY 1:  Print a bunch for ourselves in the begining and wait to see if it takes off.

VP:  Love it great next idea!

GUY 2:   We could make it get more and more difficult, you know the math stuff, so they are always having to spend more money to reinvest in more chips and wafers and asics.

VP:  LOVE IT GREAT IDEA!

Guy 3:  How about we make it very power consuming... I'm thinking maybe we could work out some kickbacks from the major global power providers...

VP:   MONEY GUY MONEY! BUT QUESTION... WHAT DOES IT DO??? All this power, hardware, chips, work?

Guy 1: It gets us f'n rich.

What if?
hero member
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June 24, 2015, 01:19:24 PM
#52
My point was this thread is well a bit pointless.

Commenting, speculating about things which no one here has any, zero, nothing, zip, information on.

Just having fun. I'd say my post holds about as much weight as most of the "what ifs" posted in this thread.

Wink
legendary
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June 24, 2015, 01:08:49 PM
#51
What if bitcoin miners are being used to generate rainbow tables for cracking password hashes. It is a known fact that with a rainbow table you can crack a password hash in seconds rather than years, and in big-O notation brute-forcing passwords takes O(n2) time which would also take years for a 14+ character password.

Now to generate a rainbow table with character set 0-9, a-z, A-Z, + all special characters (@!#$%^&*(){}/*-+_=) would also take years to generate in advance if you don't have access to a distributed grid of computers dividing the processing power between themselves. And it costs quite abit of BTC to buy processing power from the cloud. And coming to think of it, aren't the bitcoins miners doing just that?

Here's the genius part. What if the CIA/NSA devised a way so that the bitcoin miners are actually generating the rainbow hashes needed to crack any password up to 64 characters in length. Wouldn't that practically give them access to any corporation + home wifi + any account needed?

I can think of a multitude of applications to the bitcoin distributed network, not excluding DDOSing, generating hashes for different types of decoding algorithms such as MD5, SHA1 (which are the most commonly used to protect passwords in databases), etc. Even the term that miners are generating hashes gives you the slight doubt that, what if?

Alright you might argue that now developers are using salt mechanism, but still...its food for thought. Any fanboys who read the code, care to give their opinion? Now don't get me wrong, I'm just inserting the notion of what if? I quite like the uses of bitcoin myself.





Quote
Here's the genius part. What if the CIA/NSA devised a way so that the bitcoin miners are actually generating the rainbow hashes needed to crack any password up to 64 characters in length. Wouldn't that practically give them access to any corporation + home wifi + any account needed?

So far as I know Bitcoin is open-source project and code was reviewed thousand times by great coders from around the world.
So far nobody found any hidden traps. What I am saying is your speculation is senseless.



PS.
Quote
Wouldn't that practically give them access to any corporation + home wifi + any account needed?

Are you serious? Smiley mostly asking about home wifi part Smiley
Come on ... Smiley ...

@Satoshi, please tell us one day how much were you laughing from all of those speculations Smiley But well ... most of those speculations are not funny at all I must say and pointless.


Best regards.

hero member
Activity: 672
Merit: 503
June 24, 2015, 12:24:31 PM
#50
What isnt fiction? Wink

Nakamoto Elementary School. It is there, take a look.

Nakamoto is a very common Japanese surname. I went to Japan once and I remember in the hotel there was a list of of people that were attending a meeting in the restaurant and I saw at least 2 persons that had Nakamoto on the name (i can read some of the kanji stuff)
hero member
Activity: 658
Merit: 500
June 24, 2015, 12:18:26 PM
#49
What isnt fiction? Wink

Nakamoto Elementary School. It is there, take a look.
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