Topic: Could Satoshi Nakamoto be the CIA/NSA? - page 3. (Read 4261 times)
I hate to be a buzz kill, but in the absence of any evidence whatsoever... Well you do realize your just writing fiction, right?
What most people don't know is that Satoshi Nakamoto was nothing more than a school science project for a technology pilot school: Nakamoto Elementary School; which is located in Japan. The project which won first honors was by a gifted student (what would be in the US a 6th grader) with a given name of Satoshi. For minor/age reasons they released only his first name; and his white paper which was given a major re-polish by his teacher/mentor who helped him throughout - decided the project would be published under the nom de plure Satoshi Nakamoto. In honor of Satoshi, the boy, and Nakamoto, the school.
Nothing more.
Nothing more.
Lastly; the project was then released online; and picked up by a totally different group of "first adopters" who then took it and ran with it.
But the early wallets, which were used meerly as a proof of "it works" - were discarded. Which is why all those Bitcoins in those first wallets - large sums; have never moved. At all. They never will. They saw no value. Thumbdrives thrown away.
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the whole fact that EVERYONE involved with btc claims to have never met "satoshi" but only communicated with "him" though this forum or email does seem strange to me. If you read about edward snowden he used similar tactics (he was a CIA agent) to hide his identity until he knew it was safe to talk to the journalists he was communicating with.
Then again, maybe they all have met satoshi and are just saying they "never met him" to keep the whole secrecy thing in tact
Then again, maybe they all have met satoshi and are just saying they "never met him" to keep the whole secrecy thing in tact
Snowden was not a CIA agent.
He was a contractor working on a CIA project.
True, but the access he had was akin to root access (sysadmin). A field operative would be the lowest on the totem pole (as people understand CIA agents as the Bourne guy).
A desk guy working in a NOC or SOC would get tons of access and the bigger picture. Everything has to pass through you. That was the level of access Snowden had though.
But he did not mention Bitcoin in any of his reports, so either bitcoin is not CIA, NSA doing or truth is hidden so deep that even critical agents don't know about it.
I think some gus give way too much credit to the government. Granted, they have tons of geniuses working there that have come up with technologies such as Tor encryption, but not every technological breakthrough has to come from the gov. I think Satoshi is/were totally unrelated to governmental agencies.
I'd have to agree.
What most people don't know is that Satoshi Nakamoto was nothing more than a school science project for a technology pilot school: Nakamoto Elementary School; which is located in Japan. The project which won first honors was by a gifted student (what would be in the US a 6th grader) with a given name of Satoshi. For minor/age reasons they released only his first name; and his white paper which was given a major re-polish by his teacher/mentor who helped him throughout - decided the project would be published under the nom de plure Satoshi Nakamoto. In honor of Satoshi, the boy, and Nakamoto, the school.
Nothing more.
Lastly; the project was then released online; and picked up by a totally different group of "first adopters" who then took it and ran with it.
But the early wallets, which were used meerly as a proof of "it works" - were discarded. Which is why all those Bitcoins in those first wallets - large sums; have never moved. At all. They never will. They saw no value. Thumbdrives thrown away.
the whole fact that EVERYONE involved with btc claims to have never met "satoshi" but only communicated with "him" though this forum or email does seem strange to me. If you read about edward snowden he used similar tactics (he was a CIA agent) to hide his identity until he knew it was safe to talk to the journalists he was communicating with.
Then again, maybe they all have met satoshi and are just saying they "never met him" to keep the whole secrecy thing in tact
Then again, maybe they all have met satoshi and are just saying they "never met him" to keep the whole secrecy thing in tact
Snowden was not a CIA agent.
He was a contractor working on a CIA project.
True, but the access he had was akin to root access (sysadmin). A field operative would be the lowest on the totem pole (as people understand CIA agents as the Bourne guy).
A desk guy working in a NOC or SOC would get tons of access and the bigger picture. Everything has to pass through you. That was the level of access Snowden had though.
But he did not mention Bitcoin in any of his reports, so either bitcoin is not CIA, NSA doing or truth is hidden so deep that even critical agents don't know about it.
I think some gus give way too much credit to the government. Granted, they have tons of geniuses working there that have come up with technologies such as Tor encryption, but not every technological breakthrough has to come from the gov. I think Satoshi is/were totally unrelated to governmental agencies.
I'd have to agree.
What most people don't know is that Satoshi Nakamoto was nothing more than a school science project for a technology pilot school: Nakamoto Elementary School; which is located in Japan. The project which won first honors was by a gifted student (what would be in the US a 6th grader) with a given name of Satoshi. For minor/age reasons they released only his first name; and his white paper which was given a major re-polish by his teacher/mentor who helped him throughout - decided the project would be published under the nom de plure Satoshi Nakamoto. In honor of Satoshi, the boy, and Nakamoto, the school.
Nothing more.
the whole fact that EVERYONE involved with btc claims to have never met "satoshi" but only communicated with "him" though this forum or email does seem strange to me. If you read about edward snowden he used similar tactics (he was a CIA agent) to hide his identity until he knew it was safe to talk to the journalists he was communicating with.
Then again, maybe they all have met satoshi and are just saying they "never met him" to keep the whole secrecy thing in tact
Then again, maybe they all have met satoshi and are just saying they "never met him" to keep the whole secrecy thing in tact
Snowden was not a CIA agent.
He was a contractor working on a CIA project.
True, but the access he had was akin to root access (sysadmin). A field operative would be the lowest on the totem pole (as people understand CIA agents as the Bourne guy).
A desk guy working in a NOC or SOC would get tons of access and the bigger picture. Everything has to pass through you. That was the level of access Snowden had though.
But he did not mention Bitcoin in any of his reports, so either bitcoin is not CIA, NSA doing or truth is hidden so deep that even critical agents don't know about it.
I think some gus give way too much credit to the government. Granted, they have tons of geniuses working there that have come up with technologies such as Tor encryption, but not every technological breakthrough has to come from the gov. I think Satoshi is/were totally unrelated to governmental agencies.
the whole fact that EVERYONE involved with btc claims to have never met "satoshi" but only communicated with "him" though this forum or email does seem strange to me. If you read about edward snowden he used similar tactics (he was a CIA agent) to hide his identity until he knew it was safe to talk to the journalists he was communicating with.
Then again, maybe they all have met satoshi and are just saying they "never met him" to keep the whole secrecy thing in tact
Then again, maybe they all have met satoshi and are just saying they "never met him" to keep the whole secrecy thing in tact
Snowden was not a CIA agent.
He was a contractor working on a CIA project.
True, but the access he had was akin to root access (sysadmin). A field operative would be the lowest on the totem pole (as people understand CIA agents as the Bourne guy).
A desk guy working in a NOC or SOC would get tons of access and the bigger picture. Everything has to pass through you. That was the level of access Snowden had though.
But he did not mention Bitcoin in any of his reports, so either bitcoin is not CIA, NSA doing or truth is hidden so deep that even critical agents don't know about it.
He did have access to a lot of highly classified info, but that doesn't necessarily mean he had knowledge of everything. He was moreso involved in computer surveilance type work. Its possible btc would have been just a small project by only a few members, and possibly designed to be handed off to look like it came from outside the gvt
the whole fact that EVERYONE involved with btc claims to have never met "satoshi" but only communicated with "him" though this forum or email does seem strange to me. If you read about edward snowden he used similar tactics (he was a CIA agent) to hide his identity until he knew it was safe to talk to the journalists he was communicating with.
Then again, maybe they all have met satoshi and are just saying they "never met him" to keep the whole secrecy thing in tact
Then again, maybe they all have met satoshi and are just saying they "never met him" to keep the whole secrecy thing in tact
Snowden was not a CIA agent.
He was a contractor working on a CIA project.
True, but the access he had was akin to root access (sysadmin). A field operative would be the lowest on the totem pole (as people understand CIA agents as the Bourne guy).
A desk guy working in a NOC or SOC would get tons of access and the bigger picture. Everything has to pass through you. That was the level of access Snowden had though.
But he did not mention Bitcoin in any of his reports, so either bitcoin is not CIA, NSA doing or truth is hidden so deep that even critical agents don't know about it.
I genuinely believe that the NSA/CIA can crack what they need to crack. These agencies have literally undisclosed and unlimited amounts; in the billions upon billions of dollars of funding at their disposal. They operate with little to no oversight. Even groups within them are assembled and given virtually unlimited budgets for "non-existant" projects.
The question is would they admit to the fact they could crack "any password" for reasons of:
- Constitutional Legality
- Risking jeopardizing their abilities which results in change of tactics by those under their watch.
Quantum computing is not necessarily out of the realm of possibilities in the future. And I have no doubt that the NSA can throw quite some interesting password rainbow/hash tables totally unavailable to the general public, combined with nearly unlimited compute power.
Again, just speculation; but I'd say you could have a password, true random, in the 30+ characters with even the most secure encryption algo and these agencies if need be would be able to zip right in.
They would, in my opinion, never let anyone know they did, or could, not even the offender or the person being looked into.
Again, unlimited money, power, and no oversight. Combine that with a huge army of damn smart people.
I'm just glad they are US Agencies
The question is would they admit to the fact they could crack "any password" for reasons of:
- Constitutional Legality
- Risking jeopardizing their abilities which results in change of tactics by those under their watch.
Quantum computing is not necessarily out of the realm of possibilities in the future. And I have no doubt that the NSA can throw quite some interesting password rainbow/hash tables totally unavailable to the general public, combined with nearly unlimited compute power.
Again, just speculation; but I'd say you could have a password, true random, in the 30+ characters with even the most secure encryption algo and these agencies if need be would be able to zip right in.
They would, in my opinion, never let anyone know they did, or could, not even the offender or the person being looked into.
Again, unlimited money, power, and no oversight. Combine that with a huge army of damn smart people.
I'm just glad they are US Agencies
What if bitcoin miners are being used to generate rainbow tables for cracking password hashes. It is a known fact that with a rainbow table you can crack a password hash in seconds rather than years, and in big-O notation brute-forcing passwords takes O(n2) time which would also take years for a 14+ character password.
Now to generate a rainbow table with character set 0-9, a-z, A-Z, + all special characters (@!#$%^&*(){}/*-+_=) would also take years to generate in advance if you don't have access to a distributed grid of computers dividing the processing power between themselves. And it costs quite abit of BTC to buy processing power from the cloud. And coming to think of it, aren't the bitcoins miners doing just that?
Here's the genius part. What if the CIA/NSA devised a way so that the bitcoin miners are actually generating the rainbow hashes needed to crack any password up to 64 characters in length. Wouldn't that practically give them access to any corporation + home wifi + any account needed?
I can think of a multitude of applications to the bitcoin distributed network, not excluding DDOSing, generating hashes for different types of decoding algorithms such as MD5, SHA1 (which are the most commonly used to protect passwords in databases), etc. Even the term that miners are generating hashes gives you the slight doubt that, what if?
Alright you might argue that now developers are using salt mechanism, but still...its food for thought. Any fanboys who read the code, care to give their opinion? Now don't get me wrong, I'm just inserting the notion of what if? I quite like the uses of bitcoin myself.
Now to generate a rainbow table with character set 0-9, a-z, A-Z, + all special characters (@!#$%^&*(){}/*-+_=) would also take years to generate in advance if you don't have access to a distributed grid of computers dividing the processing power between themselves. And it costs quite abit of BTC to buy processing power from the cloud. And coming to think of it, aren't the bitcoins miners doing just that?
Here's the genius part. What if the CIA/NSA devised a way so that the bitcoin miners are actually generating the rainbow hashes needed to crack any password up to 64 characters in length. Wouldn't that practically give them access to any corporation + home wifi + any account needed?
I can think of a multitude of applications to the bitcoin distributed network, not excluding DDOSing, generating hashes for different types of decoding algorithms such as MD5, SHA1 (which are the most commonly used to protect passwords in databases), etc. Even the term that miners are generating hashes gives you the slight doubt that, what if?
Alright you might argue that now developers are using salt mechanism, but still...its food for thought. Any fanboys who read the code, care to give their opinion? Now don't get me wrong, I'm just inserting the notion of what if? I quite like the uses of bitcoin myself.
At least, you have a very bright and creative mind. I don't think it's even possible to hash passwords with this algo ? And you can't change asics anymore to create different algorithms.
he would have cashed out those early bitcoins years ago.
he can't spend his coin because he don't have access to his wallet....i'm pretty sure he have lost his private keys....
the question is....why these bitcoins are dormient for years ? if you had created something that could make you rich , why the hell did not use it ? at least a part of them ....
I do not believe that satoshi created everything ' to free , maybe it was not for profit , but when values have risen why not enjoy the money you earn?
The only way I could see the NSA/CIA doing it is if they had the director of the operation standing over them ensuring that they deleted the private keys for every mined block, and then had multiple people supervise the destruction of the hard drive where the private key existed (every 10 minutes).
Two FBI guys were exposed to private keys worth a lot less and they ended up stealing them.
We are after all dealing with government employees here.
Most of these guys are getting paid much better than their peers in the private sector. ^joke^Do you think a agency exposed him and he was forced to destroy it? He is such a genius, I would think that he committed his whole private key to memory. ^joke#2^
he would have cashed out those early bitcoins years ago.
he can't spend his coin because he don't have access to his wallet....i'm pretty sure he have lost his private keys....
the question is....why these bitcoins are dormient for years ? if you had created something that could make you rich , why the hell did not use it ? at least a part of them ....
I do not believe that satoshi created everything ' to free , maybe it was not for profit , but when values have risen why not enjoy the money you earn?
The only way I could see the NSA/CIA doing it is if they had the director of the operation standing over them ensuring that they deleted the private keys for every mined block, and then had multiple people supervise the destruction of the hard drive where the private key existed (every 10 minutes).
Two FBI guys were exposed to private keys worth a lot less and they ended up stealing them.
he would have cashed out those early bitcoins years ago.
he can't spend his coin because he don't have access to his wallet....i'm pretty sure he have lost his private keys....
the question is....why these bitcoins are dormient for years ? if you had created something that could make you rich , why the hell did not use it ? at least a part of them ....
I do not believe that satoshi created everything ' to free , maybe it was not for profit , but when values have risen why not enjoy the money you earn?
In all reality, CIA/NSA people don't get paid shit. So if he did work for those agencies you can damn well believe that he would have cashed out those early bitcoins years ago.
It is more likely that he worked in the private sector and has previously created something that gave him enough money to enjoy a comfortable life where money is not that big of a deal.
If it was a CIA/NSA project then that would mean multiple people would have access to those private keys. A simple act of writing down the key and sticking it in your shoe would allow you to retire from your shitty paying CIA/NSA job.
It is more likely that he worked in the private sector and has previously created something that gave him enough money to enjoy a comfortable life where money is not that big of a deal.
If it was a CIA/NSA project then that would mean multiple people would have access to those private keys. A simple act of writing down the key and sticking it in your shoe would allow you to retire from your shitty paying CIA/NSA job.
Excuse me sir what are you talking about? Don't look at entry level salaries. Those mean nothing. You move up in scale as the years progress.
is an average $150k/year + $50k/year addendum to the contract for being on-call & shift duty not enough salary for you? I bet you'd jump at the opportunity.
I think what you're referring to is when Dell subcontracts for an agency, they have SLAs (service level agreements) that they're forced to meet, but still pay shit money to employees. The government takes care of its most valued assets.
I definitely would not jump at the opportunity, I made more than that last year when I was in Afghanistan and if I were to transfer over to a CIA/NSA position I would likely have the experience for a GS-12 which pays around $80k in my area and that's after almost 20 years of experience. $150k is the GS-15 pay which is the highest you can receive.
A GS-15 would be management level, not the guy writing the code and handling the private keys making squat.
In all reality, CIA/NSA people don't get paid shit. So if he did work for those agencies you can damn well believe that he would have cashed out those early bitcoins years ago.
It is more likely that he worked in the private sector and has previously created something that gave him enough money to enjoy a comfortable life where money is not that big of a deal.
If it was a CIA/NSA project then that would mean multiple people would have access to those private keys. A simple act of writing down the key and sticking it in your shoe would allow you to retire from your shitty paying CIA/NSA job.
It is more likely that he worked in the private sector and has previously created something that gave him enough money to enjoy a comfortable life where money is not that big of a deal.
If it was a CIA/NSA project then that would mean multiple people would have access to those private keys. A simple act of writing down the key and sticking it in your shoe would allow you to retire from your shitty paying CIA/NSA job.
Excuse me sir what are you talking about? Don't look at entry level salaries. Those mean nothing. You move up in scale as the years progress.
is an average $150k/year + $50k/year addendum to the contract for being on-call & shift duty not enough salary for you? I bet you'd jump at the opportunity.
I think what you're referring to is when Dell subcontracts for an agency, they have SLAs (service level agreements) that they're forced to meet, but still pay shit money to employees. The government takes care of its most valued assets.
In all reality, CIA/NSA people don't get paid shit. So if he did work for those agencies you can damn well believe that he would have cashed out those early bitcoins years ago.
It is more likely that he worked in the private sector and has previously created something that gave him enough money to enjoy a comfortable life where money is not that big of a deal.
If it was a CIA/NSA project then that would mean multiple people would have access to those private keys. A simple act of writing down the key and sticking it in your shoe would allow you to retire from your shitty paying CIA/NSA job.
It is more likely that he worked in the private sector and has previously created something that gave him enough money to enjoy a comfortable life where money is not that big of a deal.
If it was a CIA/NSA project then that would mean multiple people would have access to those private keys. A simple act of writing down the key and sticking it in your shoe would allow you to retire from your shitty paying CIA/NSA job.
Why NSA need to crack password? They can use others way like malware, communication tapping. I think cracking password is a conventional way.
There are some things that only can be solved with cracking password
If they really made bitcoin to cracking password for free, that would be smart
I could understand if they would create tool like bitcoin, which is attractive to shady users, and then they could follow their transactions more easily, but
this password cracking seams extremely far fetched.
cheers
Why NSA need to crack password? They can use others way like malware, communication tapping. I think cracking password is a conventional way.
Sounds more like some conspiracy theory fanatics to me.
The best story is the "Satoshi time traveler story" where he was allegedly sponsored by corporations of the future. Someone probably has the link.
I am involved in real estate...I can barely remember my gmail password.
For someone like Satoshi to create a complex and brilliant thing like Bitcoin, I would hope he had the skills to hide his identity...its only logical. It doesn't mean he was CIA.
For someone like Satoshi to create a complex and brilliant thing like Bitcoin, I would hope he had the skills to hide his identity...its only logical. It doesn't mean he was CIA.
In case of that kind of stories I always wonder why federals needed to make an inside job to close first silkroad, instead of using some hidden feature of bitcoin protocol ;]
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