Well, on my own. It is a skill for there are only a few people who can easily and quickly remember those cards and count it, even when we do it on a non-gambling game only some of us can retain in their mind the set of pictures, and once flip it you can still remember not all but most of the pictures even if it is not facing you anymore. As what avicz said if you will look on it on the gambling house side you perhaps considered as cheater so if you find it as a skill you may use it but make sure it shouldn't be noticeable or else you will be kicked out of the game or worse out of the casino.
Indeed, as far as I know, it is not only you who do the same or should I say most of the players do the same but they just don't let anyone know that they are using it as well for it is everyone's strategy that will help us to win and we all know that everyone wants to win in every game.
Topic: Counting Cards -- a Dirty Cheat or a Legit Skill? - page 2. (Read 591 times)
Counting cards is not an easy thing, so I think it's not a trick, but a special ability. Although I have not witnessed the event live, I heard that there were such people, I do not even know if it is true, but in my country, a gambler had previously received cards and received high payments from several casinos. I do not know whether it is necessary to have an inherent ability to do card counting or if it can be learned by some hard work, but I want to congratulate everyone who can count cards. In my opinion, counting cards is talented, and he thinks this because he is only jealous of those who consider it cheating and can only count cards.
If you get caught I guess its cheating as they did make it a rule in the traditional casinos. I tried counting while playing just around with friends, its actually hard to do unless you have a very keen mind in remembering the cards. Counting cards in online casinos is a lot harder if possible. Should you discover a fair casino if you can do this. But you definitely have the skills if you can count the cards alone, using the counting card skill to work for to win is a lot better skill.
Im not really that good on remembering things that do flashes out on a few seconds or more. Im not say this isnt a skill but you do really need to have that photographic memory which is really an advantage into these kind of game where you can able to card count and remember everything .Its cheating on House rules but it isnt in general sense
Photographic memory is a myth (an urban legend if you please)
However, we all have a kind of photographic memory. There were plenty of extensive studies and research into the matter that show how well regular people remember images if they were exposed to them only for half a second. In the experiments all of the subjects were able to tell the images they saw a few hours ago from the new images presented to them next to the old ones. Moreover, even after a couple years like 80% of the individuals tested were able to tell if they had seen a certain image in the past. It basically means that what we see somehow gets indelibly imprinted in our memory even if we can't consciously retrieve this information later on
^ Definitely it is a skill because not all are capable of doing it. It is like your capability of remembering things that are only shown to you in a glance and you can quickly remember those things or pictures that saw for a bit and that is a form of skill since not all can do it at the same rate as you do. Nevertheless, if you will look on it on the side of the house edge it is considered as cheating so it will be better if you are going to use that kind of skill in blackjack make sure nobody can notice you and pretty much I am sure that some are doing the same as you do discreetly.
Here I primarily refer to the blackjack variety of card games and similar games where you can gain advantage by counting cards, i.e. taking notice and remembering the cards which have already been seen. As far as I know, brick'n'mortar casinos are likely to kick you out once they see that you are counting cards as this is a cheat according to their books. However, and this is a tricky part, I can't fathom how anyone could reliably determine whether you are practicing this technique or not. And then, I, for one, would consider it a skill rather than a cheat
What's your take?
What's your take?
This casinos will never want you to win at all times, I guess they have people who can monitor those people that are card counting, this is a legit skill, because it is not easy to learn, it takes perseverance and hundreds of hours of practice, these card counters can bring a casino down if you have at least 20 card players who can do that in one casino, they are finish.
and one must have the mental capacity to remember the cards that are being tossed and are being shuffled by the dealer. Not everyone has the mental capacity of a computer capable of processing actions that are done almost seamlessly in a matter of seconds
Counting cards or remembering the cards which have been already appeared is a true talent or skill because only few people can have this kind of talent, and it is really rare for a person to remember the previous card of your opponents that was appeared until the very end of the game
I would advise folks to read a couple books on this topic
The first is Make It Stick by Peter Brown, and the other, which I'm reading now myself, is Moonwalking With Einstein by Joshua Foer. While the first book deals primarily with the issues of learning as such (even though "make it stick" refers to remembering here), the second book is exactly about how to remember full decks of cards and similar things
The truth is that you are not required to have some uncanny memory capabilities as every single one of us is already equipped with enough memory capacity. It is accessing that memory which sucks, and Joshua Foer's book explains in detail how memory champions, the so-called grand masters, manage to pull off these seemingly impossible feats
Even in our local gambling counting cards consider as cheating thats why this is prohibited in all cards game not only in blackjack or poker but all the card games so i stand as this is not skilled but a cheat instead.
but anyway it depends on the rules in where you are playing but if we are talking in casino houses here?then absolutely a cheat that will this be decide.
but anyway it depends on the rules in where you are playing but if we are talking in casino houses here?then absolutely a cheat that will this be decide.
If there is a rule, then one should not be breaching it. But, it is an art to keep memory of it and also requires a skill which not every one of us can possess it. It is talent and should be recognized I feel so. But yes, everyone has their own set of rules and if followed is fine or else people will switch to other places.
Card counting is undoubtedly a skill rather than a cheat method. It is literally very hard to count cards when dealer, waitress, and other members of casino staff converse with you as a way to break your concentration. So your skill level should be very high to count cards. They may also implement flat deals if they suspect you of card counting.
Also how can casino kick you out, if you count the cards in your mind. They should never know whats going in your mind. 
Generally, card counters avoid poor bets, watch others cards, mainly focus on counting the cards rather than conversing with others and they make unusual bets and win. So when they find someone acting weird, they'll keenly watch you and pick you up. So consider you are playing on an online casino where the live dealers are doing the deals and you are playing Blackjack there. Consider the two following statements:
1. The dealer users more than one deck to deal the round. Its like 5-6 decks made into a mountain of cards from where they draw. You can visit the Evolution gaming providers and you can see it right away. If you can remember that many number of cards and survive through all the rounds then props to you
1. The dealer users more than one deck to deal the round. Its like 5-6 decks made into a mountain of cards from where they draw. You can visit the Evolution gaming providers and you can see it right away. If you can remember that many number of cards and survive through all the rounds then props to you
You don't need to remember that much. Card counting doesn't work like what you seem to think, i.e. you don't need to remember the exact order of each card in the deck (or half a dozen decks)
2. You are also not counting cards from the start. Completing an entire deck for the dealer and then remaining on table to complete the next mountain of cards, make it all the more difficult
See above
3. Often you will not be playing alone. You will have to count the cards held by the other 5players at the table too if you want to keep track. Again something that makes it more difficult. Moreover why will they wait for you to count before the next round?
That makes it three statements out of the two announced. What should I make out of this?
Now consider an online Blackjack game where there is no physical deck being dealt out, like the one on Stake. Cards are dealt every round from a new deck. How do you expect to count card there?
Then again, this is not how card counting works. You don't count cards literally, one by one. You remember which cards have been shown and then reevaluate your chances based on that information
There is no law that says it's illegal, but if you are in a casino, this is called illegal and they hate is, actually there's a movie about this, they are a group of students and they got caught up in the end, for them making money was easy but it's risky when you get caught.
This is the movie I'm talking (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21_(2008_film)
so there is a rule lol,what you are saying is in local gambling right?but in casino house this is not allowed.This is the movie I'm talking (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21_(2008_film)
Cheaters mostly wins in gambling that is the same thing why there are crimes happens after,i have known a friend who once cheat in gambling and got killed that same night.
Yeah maybe in big casinos this is prohibited, and just like what I put as an example which is the movie, I saw how a student got tortured by the casino security so its the law within the casino, not a law that the government has created, otherwise those cheaters that is getting caught doing this will just be brought to the jail. Also in your example, your friends got killed, so where's the law there? people from casino sometimes put the law in their hands.
Personally?for me this is part of skills because we only reading thru eyes and mind not with our hands,meaning there is no physical contact so how does it come to cheating?
there are many gamblers that doing this before but now i believe that in many places this is not allowed but for a real gambler?this is a skill and not to be consider as cheating.
Cheaters mostly wins in gambling that is the same thing why there are crimes happens after,i have known a friend who once cheat in gambling and got killed that same night.
there are many gamblers that doing this before but now i believe that in many places this is not allowed but for a real gambler?this is a skill and not to be consider as cheating.
There is no law that says it's illegal, but if you are in a casino, this is called illegal and they hate is, actually there's a movie about this, they are a group of students and they got caught up in the end, for them making money was easy but it's risky when you get caught.
This is the movie I'm talking (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21_(2008_film)
so there is a rule lol,what you are saying is in local gambling right?but in casino house this is not allowed.This is the movie I'm talking (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21_(2008_film)
Cheaters mostly wins in gambling that is the same thing why there are crimes happens after,i have known a friend who once cheat in gambling and got killed that same night.
Ofcourse it is a skill , one should understand that it is not easy to actually do all the calculations in your head , plus it's not like you will read a book and master it in one day , it takes brain capacity and experience.
One needs to understand that it is a game made by humans , why would they actually go around and label something cheating when people can find faults in it . It is just like a computer program , you think it's smooth until and unless someone proof checks it .
Well I do think no random person would be able to do that ,I myself haven't heard of someone near me doing it . It is very rare.
One needs to understand that it is a game made by humans , why would they actually go around and label something cheating when people can find faults in it . It is just like a computer program , you think it's smooth until and unless someone proof checks it .
Well I do think no random person would be able to do that ,I myself haven't heard of someone near me doing it . It is very rare.
Here I primarily refer to the blackjack variety of card games and similar games where you can gain advantage by counting cards, i.e. taking notice and remembering the cards which have already been seen. As far as I know, brick'n'mortar casinos are likely to kick you out once they see that you are counting cards as this is a cheat according to their books. However, and this is a tricky part, I can't fathom how anyone could reliably determine whether you are practicing this technique or not. And then, I, for one, would consider it a skill rather than a cheat
What's your take?
I voted skill because it's not easy to do it takes a lot of concentration and photographic memory to do this, it takes hundreds of hours to practice this and a great concentration to do it in a real game, I don't know how can they fathom (these casinos) if you are doing this, it's just their way of bullying you if you have a good run of win. What's your take?
There is no law that says it's illegal, but if you are in a casino, this is called illegal and they hate is, actually there's a movie about this, they are a group of students and they got caught up in the end, for them making money was easy but it's risky when you get caught.
This is the movie I'm talking (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21_(2008_film)
This is the movie I'm talking (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21_(2008_film)
I see counting cards as a skill and less of a cheat since it takes time before you start getting good at it and when you look at it in a different way it could be similar to those card memory games. But rules are rules when you're in a casino and even if it's not included in the rules their decision is the only thing that matters(once you're caught).
Is there anywhere written in the rules that counting the cards are not allowed. I don't think so. People think this is as a cheating but it is not mentioned anywhere. I see no harm in counting cards, if anyone has good memory he can do so.
There is no harms for players obviously but it is not for the house. Casinos may ban your account if you are getting caught doing card counting. Indeed there is no written rules about this case but some shaddy casinos may accuse you do card counting even if you did not do it.
Afaik there are also some card counting devices/software, anyone use this device or software has higher chance to get banned imho since it is not a skill at all. Casino will catch it as there must be a pattern of the betting if someone use a card counting software.
Even in our local gambling counting cards consider as cheating thats why this is prohibited in all cards game not only in blackjack or poker but all the card games so i stand as this is not skilled but a cheat instead.
but anyway it depends on the rules in where you are playing but if we are talking in casino houses here?then absolutely a cheat that will this be decide.
but anyway it depends on the rules in where you are playing but if we are talking in casino houses here?then absolutely a cheat that will this be decide.
It is legal. Well, you are using your brain to make it possible and not some sort of device to record the cards. But of course, the casino will consider it as cheating or they can kick you out of the house because it is their way to avoid more losses when they are already at a disadvantage.
but how can they know that you are counting card if you will be only silent ? are they mind readers lol . and yes your saying is true .
this isnt something that is easy to do but it takes skill and good memory . for sure many people or gamblers dont have that , so why would they worry about thier losses . and besides they already put up a business that they can loose too more than they win . so there is nothing to be blame on here .
a legit skill and an impressive one(even if some people claims that it is easy to learn). I can't think of a reason why someone would think counting card is a dirty trick/cheat. although counting card is not illegal I think doing it on a casino is frowned upon by casino staff or owners.
The reason that the casinos are considering counting card as an illegal move is because the players have a higher chance of winning, and a player winning is something that the casino hates, they loss profits when there are constant increase in winners. Imagine mathematicians storm the casino and play blackjack and poker and other card games, this will cause an imbalance in edge because people are frequently winning rather than losing. With the rise of online platform, the card counting is getting harder.My tip for players who knows how to do card counting is always tip the dealer, because they are willing to let you win.
According to https://boardgames.stackexchange.com/questions/11479/why-is-card-counting-considered-illegal-in-blackjack, card counting isn't considered illegal. This isn't cheating in any sense of the word. 994 P.2d 1151 (2000) CHEN v. NEVADA STATE GAMING CONTROL BOARD and Monte Carlo Resort & Casino:
But unfortunately, the source page of CHEN v. Nevada is not available anymore.
According to https://www.quora.com/Why-is-card-counting-considered-illegal, count cards is not illegal, as it said on that page:
But we know that the casino has their own rule so they can easily to said that is illegal or legal to the players.
So perhaps, one casino considers that counting cards are illegal, and they will ban the player from using that method. But in the other casino, counting cards is not illegal, and the player can use it as long as the player is doing without any technology. Well, that will depend on where you play the game
You will find many interest article on Google about counting cards is illegal or not, and they will have a different opinion about that. We should follow the rule in the casino, so they don't ban us from the games.
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This case presents a conflict between two inconsistent public policies that have developed over the years with regard to the gaming industry. On one hand, gaming establishments have the unquestioned right to protect themselves against so-called "card counters" who have developed expertise in the game of "blackjack" ("twenty-one"). On the other hand, neither card counting nor the use of a legal subterfuge such as a disguise to gain access to this table game is illegal under Nevada law.
But unfortunately, the source page of CHEN v. Nevada is not available anymore.
According to https://www.quora.com/Why-is-card-counting-considered-illegal, count cards is not illegal, as it said on that page:
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No, it is not illegal to count cards as long as it is JUST YOU doing it without any technology, and you don’t use any trickery or signals or anything else to communicate with someone else.
But we know that the casino has their own rule so they can easily to said that is illegal or legal to the players.
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Casinos have the right to deny service to anyone, and of makes sense to deny players from playing a game in which they have an advantage versus the house.
So perhaps, one casino considers that counting cards are illegal, and they will ban the player from using that method. But in the other casino, counting cards is not illegal, and the player can use it as long as the player is doing without any technology. Well, that will depend on where you play the game
You will find many interest article on Google about counting cards is illegal or not, and they will have a different opinion about that. We should follow the rule in the casino, so they don't ban us from the games.
a legit skill and an impressive one(even if some people claims that it is easy to learn). I can't think of a reason why someone would think counting card is a dirty trick/cheat. although counting card is not illegal I think doing it on a casino is frowned upon by casino staff or owners.
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