I consider counting cards as legitimate skills, which not everyone can master it. If there are casinos that consider counting cards
as cheating, I think it's just unwarranted fear. But to my knowledge most casinos are guidebooks about counting cards in blackjack
games do not include cheating. Also It's hard to know who is counting cards anyway, because counting cards are done in our minds.
Topic: Counting Cards -- a Dirty Cheat or a Legit Skill? - page 3. (Read 591 times)
It is legal. Well, you are using your brain to make it possible and not some sort of device to record the cards. But of course, the casino will consider it as cheating or they can kick you out of the house because it is their way to avoid more losses when they are already at a disadvantage.
Same here, I consider it more of a skill than a cheat.
While casinos don't like them mainly because they are losing money instead of earning, card counters are not doing something illegal. They are not violating any game rule. They could be kicked out of course but there is hardly a solid evidence that proves someone is a card counter.
While casinos don't like them mainly because they are losing money instead of earning, card counters are not doing something illegal. They are not violating any game rule. They could be kicked out of course but there is hardly a solid evidence that proves someone is a card counter.
A skill ofc. Cheats are acts that bring about absolute chances of winning after all. Like, there ain't even a sliver of a chance of a cheater losing if he/she doesn't want to. Casinos only think of it as a cheat because they lose profit because of it. Imagine if someone actually was like those in manga and manhwas that change their cards magically (just imagine), then that's friggin cheating. Just counting cards? Nope. Hell, that's a basic skill imo and you aren't really playing a game of cards if you haven't counted the cards left in the deck at least once. Isn't it a natural mindset? Even if the answer is a bit broad and nonspecific.
Here I primarily refer to the blackjack variety of card games and similar games where you can gain advantage by counting cards, i.e. taking notice and remembering the cards which have already been seen. As far as I know, brick'n'mortar casinos are likely to kick you out once they see that you are counting cards as this is a cheat according to their books. However, and this is a tricky part, I can't fathom how anyone could reliably determine whether you are practicing this technique or not. And then, I, for one, would consider it a skill rather than a cheat
What's your take?
What's your take?
It is a legit skill in my opinion. The player using this method is only applying his own wit on remembering things. He does not use any third-party program to take advantage of anyone else, this is the same as face bluffing which is considered as skill in poker.
As long as the player is not using any means of extra tools to get an advantage on his opponent but rather relying on his own wit and skill, I will never consider counting cards as a dirty cheat.
I see counting cards as a skill and less of a cheat since it takes time before you start getting good at it and when you look at it in a different way it could be similar to those card memory games. But rules are rules when you're in a casino and even if it's not included in the rules their decision is the only thing that matters(once you're caught).
Is there anywhere written in the rules that counting the cards are not allowed. I don't think so. People think this is as a cheating but it is not mentioned anywhere. I see no harm in counting cards, if anyone has good memory he can do so.
Some Casinos do think that it is illegal as one way of protecting their own profit but I think it is unfair.
I see counting cards as a skill and less of a cheat since it takes time before you start getting good at it and when you look at it in a different way it could be similar to those card memory games. But rules are rules when you're in a casino and even if it's not included in the rules their decision is the only thing that matters(once you're caught).
Is there anywhere written in the rules that counting the cards are not allowed. I don't think so. People think this is as a cheating but it is not mentioned anywhere. I see no harm in counting cards, if anyone has good memory he can do so.
I see counting cards as a skill and less of a cheat since it takes time before you start getting good at it and when you look at it in a different way it could be similar to those card memory games. But rules are rules when you're in a casino and even if it's not included in the rules their decision is the only thing that matters(once you're caught).
What's your take?
There is nothing bad to count cards and related to this probability, but in anyway, it's not smart to tell other players about this
Most people can't understand that your "counting" doesn't affect probability or game result, they think with counting you became "luckier" or get some advantage. This is nonsense of course, but only for people that know math even a little. For other people it's good chance to deal with you in aggressive manner
Its a skill there are people practicing it for years to have an edge, there were masters that was able to beat casinos of thousands of dollar. I dont see it as a dirty cheat since even casinos knew it and i think its not even illegal.
worthy of mention are other techniques like shuffle tracking, ace sequencing, and hole carding---all of which (like card counting) are considered legal as long as you aren't using external devices or colluding. like card counting, they can get you banned from casinos when management catches on though.
gamblers often raise stakes after losing in a futile attempt to get back in the black. this is profitable for casinos who generally have an edge either way. they want people to raise stakes.
a better solution would be to shuffle when players increase the stakes. that gives the house their edge back.
Otherwise, there is no logic in raising the stakes. But then raising the stakes during the game should be prohibited to make counting cards an exercise in futility
gamblers often raise stakes after losing in a futile attempt to get back in the black. this is profitable for casinos who generally have an edge either way. they want people to raise stakes.
a better solution would be to shuffle when players increase the stakes. that gives the house their edge back.
If you get caught I guess its cheating as they did make it a rule in the traditional casinos. I tried counting while playing just around with friends, its actually hard to do unless you have a very keen mind in remembering the cards. Counting cards in online casinos is a lot harder if possible. Should you discover a fair casino if you can do this. But you definitely have the skills if you can count the cards alone, using the counting card skill to work for to win is a lot better skill.
Im not really that good on remembering things that do flashes out on a few seconds or more. Im not say this isnt a skill but you do really need to have that photographic memory which is really an advantage into these kind of game where you can able to card count and remember everything .Its cheating on House rules but it isnt in general sense.
If you do play on casino and do able to card count then better not to show yourself too obvious.Im sure that only a few do able to to perform such as this one.
They have actually developed approaches and techniques for checking if you are trying to pull off something like card counting. For example, if you start to bet more (i.e. increase the stakes) after more cards are seen, this is kinda a sure sign that you are counting the cards (provided your own cards are good). Otherwise, there is no logic in raising the stakes. But then raising the stakes during the game should be prohibited to make counting cards an exercise in futility
Raising the stakes has no link to the card counting
Nah, I wouldn't say so
When you see, i.e. literally see with your own pair of eyes which cards are being played, that you have a better hand than the other players at the table, it makes perfect sense to raise stakes to win more. Indeed, it doesn't mean that you can't raise stakes for other reasons as well but this doesn't change the fact that casinos are watching the players for this activity and consider it an indicator of "cheating" through card counting
I can't fathom how anyone could reliably determine whether you are practicing this technique or not. And then, I, for one, would consider it a skill rather than a cheat
In my view if you are able to process this much information in a short period of time, it is a skill but in the eyes of a casino if you are caught counting cards then you will get a good spanking and will be thrown out of the casino. The casino always have weird rules, if you are big whale who always win then you will not the allow to play in a casino. If you get caught I guess its cheating as they did make it a rule in the traditional casinos. I tried counting while playing just around with friends, its actually hard to do unless you have a very keen mind in remembering the cards. Counting cards in online casinos is a lot harder if possible. Should you discover a fair casino if you can do this. But you definitely have the skills if you can count the cards alone, using the counting card skill to work for to win is a lot better skill.
Counting cards or remembering the cards which have been already appeared is a true talent or skill because only few people can have this kind of talent, and it is really rare for a person to remember the previous card of your opponents that was appeared until the very end of the game. The only reason why other casinos consider this kind of talent a dirty cheat because they could get bankrupt if they let this kind of person inside a casino and won every game.
I voted for the wrong option (sorry about that LOL) but I do believe that counting cards isn't, in any way a cheat that will cost the house a fortune over time. It's something of a skill that one could develop by playing blackjack or other card games that people get used to doing. Casinos hate this method since they think that they're being robbed of a fair game, while in reality not everyone can do it and one must have the mental capacity to remember the cards that are being tossed and are being shuffled by the dealer. Not everyone has the mental capacity of a computer capable of processing actions that are done almost seamlessly in a matter of seconds.
So consider you are playing on an online casino where the live dealers are doing the deals and you are playing Blackjack there. Consider the two following statements:
1. The dealer users more than one deck to deal the round. Its like 5-6 decks made into a mountain of cards from where they draw. You can visit the Evolution gaming providers and you can see it right away. If you can remember that many number of cards and survive through all the rounds then props to you.
2. You are also not counting cards from the start. Completing an entire deck for the dealer and then remaining on table to complete the next mountain of cards, make it all the more difficult.
3. Often you will not be playing alone. You will have to count the cards held by the other 5players at the table too if you want to keep track. Again something that makes it more difficult. Moreover why will they wait for you to count before the next round?
Now consider an online Blackjack game where there is no physical deck being dealt out, like the one on Stake. Cards are dealt every round from a new deck. How do you expect to count card there?
What I am trying to point out is that you may count cards, but it is just something that becomes pointless in such situations.
1. The dealer users more than one deck to deal the round. Its like 5-6 decks made into a mountain of cards from where they draw. You can visit the Evolution gaming providers and you can see it right away. If you can remember that many number of cards and survive through all the rounds then props to you.
2. You are also not counting cards from the start. Completing an entire deck for the dealer and then remaining on table to complete the next mountain of cards, make it all the more difficult.
3. Often you will not be playing alone. You will have to count the cards held by the other 5players at the table too if you want to keep track. Again something that makes it more difficult. Moreover why will they wait for you to count before the next round?
Now consider an online Blackjack game where there is no physical deck being dealt out, like the one on Stake. Cards are dealt every round from a new deck. How do you expect to count card there?
What I am trying to point out is that you may count cards, but it is just something that becomes pointless in such situations.
Here I primarily refer to the blackjack variety of card games and similar games where you can gain advantage by counting cards, i.e. taking notice and remembering the cards which have already been seen. As far as I know, brick'n'mortar casinos are likely to kick you out once they see that you are counting cards as this is a cheat according to their books. However, and this is a tricky part, I can't fathom how anyone could reliably determine whether you are practicing this technique or not. And then, I, for one, would consider it a skill rather than a cheat
What's your take?
Its purely a skill, one who has better memory power can count the cards even before anyone acknowledges it. So this law made by the gambling side to restrict players from winning too often but still we can't say it is not practiced by any gambler when playing a card game so yes its a skill. What's your take?
Here I primarily refer to the blackjack variety of card games and similar games where you can gain advantage by counting cards, i.e. taking notice and remembering the cards which have already been seen. As far as I know, brick'n'mortar casinos are likely to kick you out once they see that you are counting cards as this is a cheat according to their books. However, and this is a tricky part, I can't fathom how anyone could reliably determine whether you are practicing this technique or not. And then, I, for one, would consider it a skill rather than a cheat
What's your take?
What's your take?
How can you call that a cheat game ? If a person have a smart and sharp mind, he can remember the cards already seen and play accordingly. I will call it a skill rather than a cheat. Also how can casino kick you out, if you count the cards in your mind. They should never know whats going in your mind
I looked into this matter a little deeper now
They have actually developed approaches and techniques for checking if you are trying to pull off something like card counting. For example, if you start to bet more (i.e. increase the stakes) after more cards are seen, this is kinda a sure sign that you are counting the cards (provided your own cards are good). Otherwise, there is no logic in raising the stakes. But then raising the stakes during the game should be prohibited to make counting cards an exercise in futility
Raising the stakes has no link to the card counting. There may be a player who is not counting the cards but still want to take risk or put pressure on the opponent by raising the stakes. He could be over confident too. There are lot of possibilities for raising the stakes and not just card counting.
taking notice and remembering the cards which have already been seen. is not card counting. That's a primary card playing sense. If you lack it, it's better not to gamble on cards.
Card counting is actually trying to remember the serial of whole deck as they get displayed and shuffled in real world casino
Card counting is actually trying to remember the serial of whole deck as they get displayed and shuffled in real world casino
I think it is impossible to do in any modern casino
As I understand it, the deck is shuffled using a shuffling machine, thus you won't be able to learn and memorize the order of the cards in the deck (such a machine is also used to prevent people from colluding and that kind of thing). However, as per Wikipedia article on the subject,
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Card counters are a class of advantage players, who attempt to decrease the inherent casino house edge by keeping a running tally of all high and low valued cards seen by the player
Put differently, what you consider a primary card playing sense, or what we consider a legitimate skill in a card game, casinos, on the other hand, think of as a cheat
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