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Topic: Counting Cards -- a Dirty Cheat or a Legit Skill? - page 4. (Read 591 times)

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taking notice and remembering the cards which have already been seen. is not card counting. That's a primary card playing sense. If you lack it, it's better not to gamble on cards.

Card counting is actually trying to remember the serial of whole deck as they get displayed and shuffled in real world casino. That's not a thing in online casino. Most of the casino has a rule against card counting and expel the ones found to be doing that. But still it's a profitable take if you are not caught. Very few people do master that art.
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Here I primarily refer to the blackjack variety of card games and similar games where you can gain advantage by counting cards, i.e. taking notice and remembering the cards which have already been seen. As far as I know, brick'n'mortar casinos are likely to kick you out once they see that you are counting cards as this is a cheat according to their books. However, and this is a tricky part, I can't fathom how anyone could reliably determine whether you are practicing this technique or not. And then, I, for one, would consider it a skill rather than a cheat

What's your take?

How can you call that a cheat game ? If a person have a smart and sharp mind, he can remember the cards already seen and play accordingly. I will call it a skill rather than a cheat. Also how can casino kick you out, if you count the cards in your mind. They should never know whats going in your mind.  Smiley

I would not consider it as a cheating because during school days what we had being taught is to remember and write down in exams and so that focus one will develop overs the years. Now in the same way by staying focus I remember the cards which are played, and which are remaining and accordingly I play the game. Also its the mind game so any would not know if they calculate int he mind and show that they do are not keeping a track of it.
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Here I primarily refer to the blackjack variety of card games and similar games where you can gain advantage by counting cards, i.e. taking notice and remembering the cards which have already been seen. As far as I know, brick'n'mortar casinos are likely to kick you out once they see that you are counting cards as this is a cheat according to their books. However, and this is a tricky part, I can't fathom how anyone could reliably determine whether you are practicing this technique or not. And then, I, for one, would consider it a skill rather than a cheat

What's your take?

How can you call that a cheat game ? If a person have a smart and sharp mind, he can remember the cards already seen and play accordingly. I will call it a skill rather than a cheat. Also how can casino kick you out, if you count the cards in your mind. They should never know whats going in your mind

I looked into this matter a little deeper now

They have actually developed approaches and techniques for checking if you are trying to pull off something like card counting. For example, if you start to bet more (i.e. increase the stakes) after more cards are seen, this is kinda a sure sign that you are counting the cards (provided your own cards are good). Otherwise, there is no logic in raising the stakes. But then raising the stakes during the game should be prohibited to make counting cards an exercise in futility
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Here I primarily refer to the blackjack variety of card games and similar games where you can gain advantage by counting cards, i.e. taking notice and remembering the cards which have already been seen. As far as I know, brick'n'mortar casinos are likely to kick you out once they see that you are counting cards as this is a cheat according to their books. However, and this is a tricky part, I can't fathom how anyone could reliably determine whether you are practicing this technique or not. And then, I, for one, would consider it a skill rather than a cheat

What's your take?

How can you call that a cheat game ? If a person have a smart and sharp mind, he can remember the cards already seen and play accordingly. I will call it a skill rather than a cheat. Also how can casino kick you out, if you count the cards in your mind. They should never know whats going in your mind.  Smiley
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I wouldn't consider it dirty at all. It's a skill that shifts the house edge in your favor a bit. It isn't illegal at all, but it's pretty damn hard to pull off nowadays. The casino's will look at if you're flat betting or not and then look at when you start to increase your bets on certain hands and throw you out. They have security cameras that accomplish the same thing so you're being watched at all times.

If you can pull off counting, go for it. It's a real skill to not get caught.
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If I go by the books, counting cards in blackjack is not illegal if no external help is taken or if no card counting machine is used. However, casinos usually take it as a cheating because this ability gives an edge to card-counters against the house. So there are two ways to look at it. If you belong to the player fraternity, you will see it as a skill and if you belong to the gambling house, you will see it as cheating!

Yes, that's what we can start out from

But if we assume that blackjack or any other card game (say, poker) is a skill-based game, to a certain degree, then this skill necessarily takes from the house edge (provided there is a house edge, of course) since otherwise it would be a luck-only game, a game of chance. And if we think about it further, it is the casinos' approach that starts to look extremely cheaty on its own as any skill should count as a cheat to them
legendary
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If I go by the books, counting cards in blackjack is not illegal if no external help is taken or if no card counting machine is used. However, casinos usually take it as a cheating because this ability gives an edge to card-counters against the house. So there are two ways to look at it. If you belong to the player fraternity, you will see it as a skill and if you belong to the gambling house, you will see it as cheating!
legendary
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Here I primarily refer to the blackjack variety of card games and similar games where you can gain advantage by counting cards, i.e. taking notice and remembering the cards which have already been seen. As far as I know, brick'n'mortar casinos are likely to kick you out once they see that you are counting cards as this is a cheat according to their books. However, and this is a tricky part, I can't fathom how anyone could reliably determine whether you are practicing this technique or not. And then, I, for one, would consider it a skill rather than a cheat

What's your take?
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