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The virus is going to be with us forever as not everyone is going to take the vaccine whether because they do not want to or simply because they do not have access to it and then the virus will mutate to the point another vaccine will be necessary beginning a game of cat and mouse of which there is no escape, so the best we can do is to take the precautions necessary so we do not get it and if we do we should avoid transmitting the virus to other people.

I don't think so. I believe like polio out break, it could be eliminated by vaccines and herd immunity. And just like sars, it mutated but still vaccines isolated the virus up to the point where it vanished. Here in the Philippines, polio outbreak was unstoppable on year 1990 up til 2010's and we finally got broke it up by vaccines given.

But viruses are different and can be classified in two different branches, those that do not mutate easily and those that do, the virus that causes polio is one that has a very low mutation rate so you can create a vaccine and still use it fifty years later, the virus that causes COVID mutates extremely fast, it is so fast that as far as I know that are 4 other strains already, so I think my prediction regarding the future that awaits us is more accurate.

I feel like we are starting going off-topic here, because it was about positive effects of the pandemic, and too see new examples of such effects from various countries would be still very interesting.

How dangerous COVID-19 can be for the economy, especially with new strains emerging, is also an interesting topic, and it deserves a separate thread(if there's none yet). I can't resist sharing a thought regarding what you said, though. Although fully vaccinated individuals can be infected with a new strain, they will recover more easily, like from a minor illness, and that won't affect the world economy in any way because people get sick all the time, and it's known how to deal with it.

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Quote from: Snappycoco on July 14, 2021, 09:05:54 AM

Quote from: South Park on July 13, 2021, 04:16:51 PM

The virus is going to be with us forever as not everyone is going to take the vaccine whether because they do not want to or simply because they do not have access to it and then the virus will mutate to the point another vaccine will be necessary beginning a game of cat and mouse of which there is no escape, so the best we can do is to take the precautions necessary so we do not get it and if we do we should avoid transmitting the virus to other people.

I don't think so. I believe like polio out break, it could be eliminated by vaccines and herd immunity. And just like sars, it mutated but still vaccines isolated the virus up to the point where it vanished. Here in the Philippines, polio outbreak was unstoppable on year 1990 up til 2010's and we finally got broke it up by vaccines given.

But viruses are different and can be classified in two different branches, those that do not mutate easily and those that do, the virus that causes polio is one that has a very low mutation rate so you can create a vaccine and still use it fifty years later, the virus that causes COVID mutates extremely fast, it is so fast that as far as I know that are 4 other strains already, so I think my prediction regarding the future that awaits us is more accurate.

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It is indisputable that the virus does not have the ability to mutate if it cannot be passed on, and it cannot be passed on if everyone takes the proper precautions. At this point, the virus is not likely to vanish or be defeated. This is very likely something that exists in the human population for the rest of our time on Earth, like influenza.

The virus is going to be with us forever as not everyone is going to take the vaccine whether because they do not want to or simply because they do not have access to it and then the virus will mutate to the point another vaccine will be necessary beginning a game of cat and mouse of which there is no escape, so the best we can do is to take the precautions necessary so we do not get it and if we do we should avoid transmitting the virus to other people.

I don't think so. I believe like polio out break, it could be eliminated by vaccines and herd immunity. And just like sars, it mutated but still vaccines isolated the virus up to the point where it vanished. Here in the Philippines, polio outbreak was unstoppable on year 1990 up til 2010's and we finally got broke it up by vaccines given.

Indeed, when talking about viruses, of course it is not easy to remove,
especially this covid 19 virus which is increasingly mutating and there are many variants of the covid 19 virus,
I hope the available vaccine can stop the spread of covid 19

What I really meant is that vaccines takes time to eradicate virus in the face of the earth. Not totally vanished but it could stop a worldwide effect. Well, according to studies coronavirus was first saw way back 10000 years ago

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Molecular clock dating analyses of coronaviruses suggest that the most recent common ancestor of these viruses existed around 10,000 years ago.

and that is according to this journal https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3676139/. But it didn't cause any major effect worldwide until someone eats a wild bat in China and spread this virus.

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I think most of us would rather not have had COVID. It has been devastating for many economies and it took a bad toll on people. However it has had some side benefits (some may argue that having Trump removed for now may be one of them, LOL).

I am talking about the digital revolution that was already taking place, yet still had some bumps along the road to occur, and has been forcefully implemented by many companies that required their people to keep on working. I am also talking about the immense number of new influencers and subscription services that had increased their adept several times-fold. All this would have taken ages otherwise.

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demand for services that can be performed remotely or provide solutions to the challenges of reduced personal interactions, such as information and communications technology (ICT), and deliveries, has increased significantly. In a span of three months, the pandemic has resulted in a 63 percent reduction in demand for hotels, while increasing demand for ICT by a comparable rate

A source on the matter.

More bad effects than the negative impact. Covid has destroyed everything. I used to think that nothing could possibly make a place of worship quieter.. It turned out that it was covid that made that possible. Many people are depressed and lost their minds because of covid.. I hope this ends soon..whatever the benefits of online money are, money is still more delicious than real results.

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Quote from: Snappycoco on July 14, 2021, 09:05:54 AM

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It is indisputable that the virus does not have the ability to mutate if it cannot be passed on, and it cannot be passed on if everyone takes the proper precautions. At this point, the virus is not likely to vanish or be defeated. This is very likely something that exists in the human population for the rest of our time on Earth, like influenza.

The virus is going to be with us forever as not everyone is going to take the vaccine whether because they do not want to or simply because they do not have access to it and then the virus will mutate to the point another vaccine will be necessary beginning a game of cat and mouse of which there is no escape, so the best we can do is to take the precautions necessary so we do not get it and if we do we should avoid transmitting the virus to other people.

I don't think so. I believe like polio out break, it could be eliminated by vaccines and herd immunity. And just like sars, it mutated but still vaccines isolated the virus up to the point where it vanished. Here in the Philippines, polio outbreak was unstoppable on year 1990 up til 2010's and we finally got broke it up by vaccines given.

Indeed, when talking about viruses, of course it is not easy to remove,
especially this covid 19 virus which is increasingly mutating and there are many variants of the covid 19 virus,
I hope the available vaccine can stop the spread of covid 19

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Would I say the pandemic has really showed people to be prepared and ready for the worse coming which I don't think the future has worse disease than what we have suffered this present days which had cleared many lives and jobs leaving people to ponder on what to eat, how to survive, and what will be their state of living after this huge disaster.

There is no reasonable advantage to what we have experienced here and there. Most countries, big companies of the world are just getting from their feet, to get through their loses after the putting things back in order and looking to the future for greater adventure that could generate good funds for them.

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Quote from: Snappycoco on July 14, 2021, 09:05:54 AM

I don't think so. I believe like polio out break, it could be eliminated by vaccines and herd immunity. And just like sars, it mutated but still vaccines isolated the virus up to the point where it vanished. Here in the Philippines, polio outbreak was unstoppable on year 1990 up til 2010's and we finally got broke it up by vaccines given.

You are right. Although the virus is mutating, that doesn't mean that the vaccines will be completely ineffective against it. The efficacy is lower, but the better vaccines such as Pfizer, Moderna, Janssen and Sputnik is >80% efficient against mutated strains such as Alpha, Gamma, Delta and Delta plus. I wouldn't trust the Chinese vaccines though. They are bribing mainstream media houses to write articles in their favor and most of the mainstream media channels are flooded with articles and programs praising the Chinese vaccines. But from what I have seen, the real life efficacy of Sinovac and Sinopharm is close to zero.

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Quote from: jaysabi on July 09, 2021, 04:16:27 PM

It is indisputable that the virus does not have the ability to mutate if it cannot be passed on, and it cannot be passed on if everyone takes the proper precautions. At this point, the virus is not likely to vanish or be defeated. This is very likely something that exists in the human population for the rest of our time on Earth, like influenza.

The virus is going to be with us forever as not everyone is going to take the vaccine whether because they do not want to or simply because they do not have access to it and then the virus will mutate to the point another vaccine will be necessary beginning a game of cat and mouse of which there is no escape, so the best we can do is to take the precautions necessary so we do not get it and if we do we should avoid transmitting the virus to other people.

I don't think so. I believe like polio out break, it could be eliminated by vaccines and herd immunity. And just like sars, it mutated but still vaccines isolated the virus up to the point where it vanished. Here in the Philippines, polio outbreak was unstoppable on year 1990 up til 2010's and we finally got broke it up by vaccines given.

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Quote from: South Park on July 13, 2021, 04:16:51 PM

The virus is going to be with us forever as not everyone is going to take the vaccine whether because they do not want to or simply because they do not have access to it and then the virus will mutate to the point another vaccine will be necessary beginning a game of cat and mouse of which there is no escape, so the best we can do is to take the precautions necessary so we do not get it and if we do we should avoid transmitting the virus to other people.

If the population gets vaccinated quickly then the virus will be contained and there will be no more mutations. But what happened is that rich countries such as United States and United Kingdom hoarded more vaccines than they need, while the poor countries faced a lot of difficulties in procuring enough doses to vaccinate their population. And since large number of people were not vaccinated, the virus was able to mutate in countries such as India and Brazil. And the irony is that eventually these mutated strains made their way to the same developed countries which hoarded the vaccines.

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Quote from: jaysabi on July 09, 2021, 04:16:27 PM

It is indisputable that the virus does not have the ability to mutate if it cannot be passed on, and it cannot be passed on if everyone takes the proper precautions. At this point, the virus is not likely to vanish or be defeated. This is very likely something that exists in the human population for the rest of our time on Earth, like influenza.

The virus is going to be with us forever as not everyone is going to take the vaccine whether because they do not want to or simply because they do not have access to it and then the virus will mutate to the point another vaccine will be necessary beginning a game of cat and mouse of which there is no escape, so the best we can do is to take the precautions necessary so we do not get it and if we do we should avoid transmitting the virus to other people.

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Quote from: fara_buduk on July 09, 2021, 06:25:38 PM

according to the reality at this time, we are required to be intelligent humans by utilizing the digital world because of the covid-19 virus which causes a large number of deaths. And it is undeniable that many countries have locked down to prevent its spread but behind that their policies are not in favor of the little people who work hard so they don't heed the appeal because they think the virus is deadly but if they don't work against the corona storm their family will starve to death, until now no one has been able to remove the virus from the world why should we be restrained by this while life will wait for death,

Policies to prevent the spread of this virus are like two sharp blades. Lockdown is one way to suppress the spread of the virus, but if it is implemented there will be other big problems (such as economic problems). But if you don't implement a lockdown, the rate of spread of this virus is getting out of control and there are more victims.

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The reason why developing countries like the United States refuse to be vaccinated is that their transmission of the virus is increasing through vaccination. Many have tested positive for corona virus after the second dose that's why corona vaccination is slow in the united states lots of vaccines have been submitted but the united states is now at a crossroads in terms of health ethics and diplomacy. This is because china is exporting more vaccines than any other country through this they are improving the international image increasing the effect.

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Quote from: jaysabi on July 09, 2021, 04:16:27 PM

It is indisputable that the virus does not have the ability to mutate if it cannot be passed on, and it cannot be passed on if everyone takes the proper precautions. At this point, the virus is not likely to vanish or be defeated. This is very likely something that exists in the human population for the rest of our time on Earth, like influenza.

Even in developed nations such as the United States, there are sections of people who refuse to get vaccinated. Here in India, there is an overload of propaganda against the vaccines going on in social media platforms such as Facebook, Twitter and WhatsApp. Even I have received several messages claiming that vaccinated people will die within 2 years and taking a vaccine will make you impotent. I don't know the real reason behind this fake campaign. Who is going to benefit, if more people die from COVID? But as long as people refuse to get vaccinated, newer strains of the virus will be reported from various parts of the world.

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according to the reality at this time, we are required to be intelligent humans by utilizing the digital world because of the covid-19 virus which causes a large number of deaths. And it is undeniable that many countries have locked down to prevent its spread but behind that their policies are not in favor of the little people who work hard so they don't heed the appeal because they think the virus is deadly but if they don't work against the corona storm their family will starve to death, until now no one has been able to remove the virus from the world why should we be restrained by this while life will wait for death,

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Every person the virus is passed on to gives the virus the change to mutate and become harder to control. The Delta variant is already far more transmissible than the Alpha variant, which was far more transmissible than the original strain. The virus is being given the opportunity to mutate because of the people who continue to downplay the severity of the pandemic, and those are almost exclusively conservatives in every country.

The viruses and its variant might always come and go, we cannot really prevent these by shutting down markets and closing out shops. I hope by now the governments have learned that the solution is not lockdowns but following protocols and moving to work can lead to better results.

As far as the virus pushing the world towards digitalization is concerned, I think there is no doubt that we have been forced to do a lot of things digitally which earlier we were doing manually or offline. Not sure how people will react after the virus completely vanishes, will they turn back to the traditional methods or get a knack of these online transactions.

It is indisputable that the virus does not have the ability to mutate if it cannot be passed on, and it cannot be passed on if everyone takes the proper precautions. At this point, the virus is not likely to vanish or be defeated. This is very likely something that exists in the human population for the rest of our time on Earth, like influenza.

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In my opinion everything has its pros and cons as well as the covid-19 pandemic has made the economy or life of many countries worse, even spread and killed a lot of people, but If after the pandemic will make people grow stronger, like closing one door, another door will open and after the rain the sky will be bright, our future will definitely develop. develop. stronger and constantly growing.

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Quote from: worldofcoins on July 05, 2021, 03:34:36 PM

I don't think it advanced the world, It actually fucked it up.
Now people will have to keep on taking the vaccine(s) because there's always going to be another virus every now and then, And pharma companies are happy about it even if don't show their happiness.

Any big event changes the world, in some aspects for the better and in others for the worst, that is simply what is happening here, I think there are some instances in which the pandemic actually improved things, people were too easy going when it came to their health and the precautions they took so this got people to think about their health and about their priorities like loving your family and friends and spend more time with them, but as you say the fact that now it seems we will need to take a vaccine every year is a huge problem that we will have to deal with.

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Truth to be told the pandemic forced people to adapt, the reason old people do not seem to understand new technology is not because they are dumb or anything like that, it has to do with the fact that they have set up their lives in a way that they do not need to adapt and they just want to relax, but the pandemic forced them to do so as a great deal of the things that we could do were limited and the only way to find a replacement for them was to go online and use a smartphone to find them.

A person by himself is a rather lazy being and he needs all sorts of incentives to change his habits or his usual world. All this only gets stronger with age and you should not blame the absolute majority of people for this, because this is human nature. Older people are quite curious, but their previous experience was formed in a previous time with a different environment and they automatically try to transfer their previous experience to new technologies, and this does not always work. COVID, of course, forces them to accept new technological realities, because this is a very powerful incentive for successfully solving all tasks due to all kinds of restrictions in movement.

You are right, we absolutely shouldn't blame older people in reluctance in accepting new technologies. Indeed, it's human nature.

The pace of advancement was already quick like never before during the past decades. Unfortunately many older people were excluded from the festivity, but they are not anymore. We are yet to see how it will impact the world, but what I'm sure of, it will be a positive impact on development speed.

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Quote from: worldofcoins on July 05, 2021, 03:34:36 PM

I don't think it advanced the world, It actually fucked it up.
Now people will have to keep on taking the vaccine(s) because there's always going to be another virus every now and then

it advanced the world maybe in the i.t category because most of the transactions now are done online but to some aspects it was delayed because we need to comply on protocols and wait for the result if we are allowed to proceed or not .
and is taking more vaccine dangerous ? and i guess one vaccine is okay and you will be immune to the virus . we are not also force to take the vaccine

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Quote from: South Park on July 05, 2021, 01:38:29 PM

Truth to be told the pandemic forced people to adapt, the reason old people do not seem to understand new technology is not because they are dumb or anything like that, it has to do with the fact that they have set up their lives in a way that they do not need to adapt and they just want to relax, but the pandemic forced them to do so as a great deal of the things that we could do were limited and the only way to find a replacement for them was to go online and use a smartphone to find them.

A person by himself is a rather lazy being and he needs all sorts of incentives to change his habits or his usual world. All this only gets stronger with age and you should not blame the absolute majority of people for this, because this is human nature. Older people are quite curious, but their previous experience was formed in a previous time with a different environment and they automatically try to transfer their previous experience to new technologies, and this does not always work. COVID, of course, forces them to accept new technological realities, because this is a very powerful incentive for successfully solving all tasks due to all kinds of restrictions in movement.

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