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Quote from: laurenB7742 on February 03, 2022, 03:34:32 AM

And certainly, such things can be detrimental for cricket because there are already very few countries playing cricket professionally.

If these type of favoritism goes into ICC I think it's not very long before cricket will lose its interest. A lot of people around the world loves cricket very dearly. But if the competition gets more narrowed day by day then it is obvious that cricket will surely lose a lot of those cricket enthusiasts.

If there are very few teams playing cricket, then the ICC is also responsible for that. They killed cricket in associate nations when Srinivasan-Pawar cabal was in power. Everyone knows what happened to teams such as Kenya and Canada. After showing a lot of promise, cricket died out all of a sudden in these countries due to lack of support from the ICC. And what happened in Zimbabwe also needs to be blamed on the ICC. They are still supporting the corrupt cricket board members, despite receiving proof that the funds are being stolen.

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Quote from: Emitdama on February 02, 2022, 01:55:48 PM

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I feel there’s two sides here first of all when people accuse ICC of not taking action can they produce conclusive proof of rigging in IPL short answer no, can they speculate matches were rigged yes, but without proof ICC cannot do anything.
Lastly had ICC allowed Brendon to walk away people would have been livid saying ICC is weak, and doesn’t care about matches being fixed hence we see whatever action ICC takes it’s always going to get lots of criticism for it.

This is what I was saying there is no proof of fixing in IPL and yes we can helplessly speculate on that. Secondly, ICC laws are strict when it comes to small boards like zim, pak, WI etc. I don't think there will be any positive development in cricket in days to come with current restricted role of ICC.

ICC can't do anything in any country for development because they have no sources or any better idea for this all from day 1 they never do anything it's all happening by mostly boards own sources and some addiction recently we have some good talk about Big 3 and other weak boards why because these Big 3 widening this gape instead of giving some better and fair system every one want to have more power and finances, so this is killing now we are on verge of losing few countries like West Indies and Zimbabwe due to poor system and lack of facilities so now all ICC and cricket is moving around IPL and Big 3 so just keep going and enjoy this all because they have big fan base and most entertaining league around the world.

And certainly, such things can be detrimental for cricket because there are already very few countries playing cricket professionally.

If these type of favoritism goes into ICC I think it's not very long before cricket will lose its interest. A lot of people around the world loves cricket very dearly. But if the competition gets more narrowed day by day then it is obvious that cricket will surely lose a lot of those cricket enthusiasts.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on February 02, 2022, 10:10:32 AM

Quote from: Juggy777 on February 01, 2022, 02:19:46 AM

I feel there’s two sides here first of all when people accuse ICC of not taking action can they produce conclusive proof of rigging in IPL short answer no, can they speculate matches were rigged yes, but without proof ICC cannot do anything.

Lastly had ICC allowed Brendon to walk away people would have been livid saying ICC is weak, and doesn’t care about matches being fixed hence we see whatever action ICC takes it’s always going to get lots of criticism for it.

This is what I was saying there is no proof of fixing in IPL and yes we can helplessly speculate on that. Secondly, ICC laws are strict when it comes to small boards like zim, pak, WI etc. I don't think there will be any positive development in cricket in days to come with current restricted role of ICC.

ICC can't do anything in any country for development because they have no sources or any better idea for this all from day 1 they never do anything it's all happening by mostly boards own sources and some addiction recently we have some good talk about Big 3 and other weak boards why because these Big 3 widening this gape instead of giving some better and fair system every one want to have more power and finances, so this is killing now we are on verge of losing few countries like West Indies and Zimbabwe due to poor system and lack of facilities so now all ICC and cricket is moving around IPL and Big 3 so just keep going and enjoy this all because they have big fan base and most entertaining league around the world.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on February 01, 2022, 02:19:46 AM

I feel there’s two sides here first of all when people accuse ICC of not taking action can they produce conclusive proof of rigging in IPL short answer no, can they speculate matches were rigged yes, but without proof ICC cannot do anything.

Lastly had ICC allowed Brendon to walk away people would have been livid saying ICC is weak, and doesn’t care about matches being fixed hence we see whatever action ICC takes it’s always going to get lots of criticism for it.

This is what I was saying there is no proof of fixing in IPL and yes we can helplessly speculate on that. Secondly, ICC laws are strict when it comes to small boards like zim, pak, WI etc. I don't think there will be any positive development in cricket in days to come with current restricted role of ICC.

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 02, 2022, 07:31:00 AM

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 29, 2022, 10:40:41 PM

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According to his own confession he was told by alleged businessman that 15k was some sort of token amount for new sponsorship, they also sent him tickets so that he can visit them personally at Mumbai. Then he was offered Cocaine at the party, he didn't think much and took it willingly. During their cocaine session someone recorded everything and blackmail game started.

So it was trap set for him and he thought it was a business opportunity and they secretly recorded his interactions so that they could control him later. In situations like these, i can sit here and say he should have approached the authorities the first day he got the blackmail call but who knows what the situation he faced. If i was in his shoes, i doubt i would have done anything differently if i really thought it was a genuine business proposal.

I won't say trap per se because its a normal tactic and every board, club, big or small brief their players, staff etc on bookies or honeytrap (mainly) etc all the time. If he's telling a truth then he's dumb person imo and players should be more vigilante cause stakes are always high if you get caught and btw he didn't refund those 15k to anyone.

Well, when it comes to blackmailing then obviously they are going to give threats about family and friends and to protect them a person can do anything.

I really don't think that he had any other choice, and I also think that if he knew that something like this is going to happen he surely would have avoided it at any cost. It's actually obvious that the player really fell into the trap which was set for him. But, I think ok obviously when some unknown person offers you a drug you shouldn't take it, well you shouldn't take drugs anyway.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on February 01, 2022, 06:59:15 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on January 29, 2022, 10:40:41 PM

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According to his own confession he was told by alleged businessman that 15k was some sort of token amount for new sponsorship, they also sent him tickets so that he can visit them personally at Mumbai. Then he was offered Cocaine at the party, he didn't think much and took it willingly. During their cocaine session someone recorded everything and blackmail game started.

So it was trap set for him and he thought it was a business opportunity and they secretly recorded his interactions so that they could control him later. In situations like these, i can sit here and say he should have approached the authorities the first day he got the blackmail call but who knows what the situation he faced. If i was in his shoes, i doubt i would have done anything differently if i really thought it was a genuine business proposal.

I won't say trap per se because its a normal tactic and every board, club, big or small brief their players, staff etc on bookies or honeytrap (mainly) etc all the time. If he's telling a truth then he's dumb person imo and players should be more vigilante cause stakes are always high if you get caught and btw he didn't refund those 15k to anyone.

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Quote from: perfect999 on February 01, 2022, 03:24:26 PM

Quote from: Juggy777 on February 01, 2022, 02:19:46 AM

I feel there’s two sides here first of all when people accuse ICC of not taking action can they produce conclusive proof of rigging in IPL short answer no, can they speculate matches were rigged yes, but without proof ICC cannot do anything.
Lastly had ICC allowed Brendon to walk away people would have been livid saying ICC is weak, and doesn’t care about matches being fixed hence we see whatever action ICC takes it’s always going to get lots of criticism for it.

If ICC has fair and balanced system then surely many proofs can give them good view about this all as recently we have some good number of media reports about IPL franchises and many players connections with wired persons around this IPL, but they are living in dream world with this money which is coming from this league, and they have many luxuries which are not possible without this.
And they have all laws and regulations for very few boards which have not good relationship with BCCI, or they are not in their good list it's matter of shame for them. After introduction of this league now cricket is dirty game for all as sometime back this was game of gentlemen but sadly dirty money change values and all love and addiction about this game.

Sometimes I get truly amazed because cricket is not played in most of the countries of the world and only a small number of countries play cricket. it should have been an easy job for ICC to handle everything but we all know that they are already corrupted. And there is certainly a lot of favoritism which is going on in ICC as well. I know that no one is an angel. But at least everyone can be better at the job that they are supposed to do.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 29, 2022, 10:40:41 PM

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According to his own confession he was told by alleged businessman that 15k was some sort of token amount for new sponsorship, they also sent him tickets so that he can visit them personally at Mumbai. Then he was offered Cocaine at the party, he didn't think much and took it willingly. During their cocaine session someone recorded everything and blackmail game started.

So it was trap set for him and he thought it was a business opportunity and they secretly recorded his interactions so that they could control him later. In situations like these, i can sit here and say he should have approached the authorities the first day he got the blackmail call but who knows what the situation he faced. If i was in his shoes, i doubt i would have done anything differently if i really thought it was a genuine business proposal.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on February 01, 2022, 02:19:46 AM

I feel there’s two sides here first of all when people accuse ICC of not taking action can they produce conclusive proof of rigging in IPL short answer no, can they speculate matches were rigged yes, but without proof ICC cannot do anything.

Lastly had ICC allowed Brendon to walk away people would have been livid saying ICC is weak, and doesn’t care about matches being fixed hence we see whatever action ICC takes it’s always going to get lots of criticism for it.

If ICC has fair and balanced system then surely many proofs can give them good view about this all as recently we have some good number of media reports about IPL franchises and many players connections with wired persons around this IPL, but they are living in dream world with this money which is coming from this league, and they have many luxuries which are not possible without this.

And they have all laws and regulations for very few boards which have not good relationship with BCCI, or they are not in their good list it's matter of shame for them. After introduction of this league now cricket is dirty game for all as sometime back this was game of gentlemen but sadly dirty money change values and all love and addiction about this game.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on February 01, 2022, 02:19:46 AM

Quote from: blatchcorn on February 01, 2022, 01:16:13 AM

Quote from: doomloop on January 31, 2022, 02:40:11 PM

It's not just about small boards it's also happening in many leagues, and now they have some better way as we all know recently too much noise about IPL as many matches were suspicious with presence of many wrong peoples in wrong places during matches but as we all know ICC is bling about this as they have some good deep pockets from this all, so they are not looking into this all and having all things against only small boards because they know it's all important for their system's success.
Right now, IPL and India is the biggest market for gamblers and bookies, so they are enjoying this all under supervision of ICC and BCCI and blame game is going against peoples like Brendon and few others those have nothing strong backup, and they are under strict laws faced some punishments as well.

As cricket is progressing more money is jumping in and mostly its the gambling mafia that is sponsoring leagues like IPL but in indirect manner. There is no way we can detect that match fixing is going on in league match because its all very nicely done. Don't worry about ICC, it's fully in hands of big 3.

I feel there’s two sides here first of all when people accuse ICC of not taking action can they produce conclusive proof of rigging in IPL short answer no, can they speculate matches were rigged yes, but without proof ICC cannot do anything.
Lastly had ICC allowed Brendon to walk away people would have been livid saying ICC is weak, and doesn’t care about matches being fixed hence we see whatever action ICC takes it’s always going to get lots of criticism for it.

Obviously there should be some proofs, there are groups but they just don't reach ICC. We all know that IPL is the attraction and mostly we can say it's the home of gamblers and bookies. But when we say things like that these are just speculations and no one can prove them because the proof is covered up really well.

Anyway, all I wanna know is how a players' phone call to his family or a call record of his personal mobile gets to ICC and a lot of big speculations lay around with no proof? Yes, cricket boards are greedy ain't they?

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 31, 2022, 09:52:35 PM

Quote from: galambo on January 30, 2022, 01:14:42 PM

He is also part of IPL as he was in sunrisers hyderabad. If getting less money is issue then whole Pak team should do match fixing since they dont play IPL. I also dont know exactly how much he earned through international matches and leagues but it must be adequate enough to live a good life. Its sad to see such senior player going in that manner.

I don't think that his contract amount in IPL was that high. IPL is the richest league around the world, but the salaries can be very uneven. For example, Sandeep Lamichhane was receiving only ₹2,000,000 ($27,000) from his IPL stint, while he earned manytimes that amount from the BBL and BPL. And I don't think that Pakistani players are all saints. Multiple players including Mohammed Asif and Danish Kaneria have been accused of match fixing and many of them have received bans from the ICC as well.

You know in my personal opinion I think that they have been somehow related to drugs in some way.

Because there are only two reasons why money might never be enough for someone and those are drugs and gambling. These two reasons start the main problem. Because ultimately you lose money and gain nothing except for bad health probably. I always think that the money that the players who you are well-known get is always enough for them. But the problem starts with these types of bad habits of theirs.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on February 01, 2022, 01:16:13 AM

Quote from: doomloop on January 31, 2022, 02:40:11 PM

It's not just about small boards it's also happening in many leagues, and now they have some better way as we all know recently too much noise about IPL as many matches were suspicious with presence of many wrong peoples in wrong places during matches but as we all know ICC is bling about this as they have some good deep pockets from this all, so they are not looking into this all and having all things against only small boards because they know it's all important for their system's success.

Right now, IPL and India is the biggest market for gamblers and bookies, so they are enjoying this all under supervision of ICC and BCCI and blame game is going against peoples like Brendon and few others those have nothing strong backup, and they are under strict laws faced some punishments as well.

As cricket is progressing more money is jumping in and mostly its the gambling mafia that is sponsoring leagues like IPL but in indirect manner. There is no way we can detect that match fixing is going on in league match because its all very nicely done. Don't worry about ICC, it's fully in hands of big 3.

I feel there’s two sides here first of all when people accuse ICC of not taking action can they produce conclusive proof of rigging in IPL short answer no, can they speculate matches were rigged yes, but without proof ICC cannot do anything.

Lastly had ICC allowed Brendon to walk away people would have been livid saying ICC is weak, and doesn’t care about matches being fixed hence we see whatever action ICC takes it’s always going to get lots of criticism for it.

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Quote from: doomloop on January 31, 2022, 02:40:11 PM

It's not just about small boards it's also happening in many leagues, and now they have some better way as we all know recently too much noise about IPL as many matches were suspicious with presence of many wrong peoples in wrong places during matches but as we all know ICC is bling about this as they have some good deep pockets from this all, so they are not looking into this all and having all things against only small boards because they know it's all important for their system's success.

Right now, IPL and India is the biggest market for gamblers and bookies, so they are enjoying this all under supervision of ICC and BCCI and blame game is going against peoples like Brendon and few others those have nothing strong backup, and they are under strict laws faced some punishments as well.

As cricket is progressing more money is jumping in and mostly its the gambling mafia that is sponsoring leagues like IPL but in indirect manner. There is no way we can detect that match fixing is going on in league match because its all very nicely done. Don't worry about ICC, it's fully in hands of big 3.

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Quote from: galambo on January 30, 2022, 01:14:42 PM

He is also part of IPL as he was in sunrisers hyderabad. If getting less money is issue then whole Pak team should do match fixing since they dont play IPL. I also dont know exactly how much he earned through international matches and leagues but it must be adequate enough to live a good life. Its sad to see such senior player going in that manner.

I don't think that his contract amount in IPL was that high. IPL is the richest league around the world, but the salaries can be very uneven. For example, Sandeep Lamichhane was receiving only ₹2,000,000 ($27,000) from his IPL stint, while he earned manytimes that amount from the BBL and BPL. And I don't think that Pakistani players are all saints. Multiple players including Mohammed Asif and Danish Kaneria have been accused of match fixing and many of them have received bans from the ICC as well.

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Quote from: galambo on January 31, 2022, 12:02:54 PM

Match fixing is still going on, only small board pays the price. No one can question big boards, its a reality. Players from all countries do fixing but only few are caught. Bookies are part of cricket and they will remain integral part of cricket in days to come. Yes Brendan Taylor has done a mistake and that's why he is facing the music, its sad to see such ending of this big player

It's not just about small boards it's also happening in many leagues, and now they have some better way as we all know recently too much noise about IPL as many matches were suspicious with presence of many wrong peoples in wrong places during matches but as we all know ICC is bling about this as they have some good deep pockets from this all, so they are not looking into this all and having all things against only small boards because they know it's all important for their system's success.

Right now, IPL and India is the biggest market for gamblers and bookies, so they are enjoying this all under supervision of ICC and BCCI and blame game is going against peoples like Brendon and few others those have nothing strong backup, and they are under strict laws faced some punishments as well.

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Quote from: SirLancelot on January 31, 2022, 12:42:50 AM

Even it is no of mine business but still bringing Pakistani players in all cases is not good because there were some bad time when few players involved into this, and they have their punishment just like we have few players in other countries even into India but still talking all this is completely none sense because they have enough money from their leagues and other international leagues and fixtures, so they don't need these things better stop this crap and talk into better way is good for all members here in this community because we already have very small community and don't try to create bad manners and things with this all.

If Brendan Taylor trap into this, surely it's his own mistake and many others need to learn from this and never have any contact or relationship like this.

Match fixing is still going on, only small board pays the price. No one can question big boards, its a reality. Players from all countries do fixing but only few are caught. Bookies are part of cricket and they will remain integral part of cricket in days to come. Yes Brendan Taylor has done a mistake and that's why he is facing the music, its sad to see such ending of this big player

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The match fees and annual contract amount for Zimbabwean players are much lower when compared to the international players from other test playing nations. Most of them supplement their income by representing club sides in England or franchise T20 teams. In case of Brendan Taylor, he has represented teams like Nottinghamshire, Chittagong Kings, Wellington Firebirds, Uthura Rudras and Khulna Titans. Not sure how much he would have earned from these teams, but it would be far less when compared to the IPL salaries.

He is also part of IPL as he was in sunrisers hyderabad. If getting less money is issue then whole Pak team should do match fixing since they dont play IPL. I also dont know exactly how much he earned through international matches and leagues but it must be adequate enough to live a good life. Its sad to see such senior player going in that manner.

Even it is no of mine business but still bringing Pakistani players in all cases is not good because there were some bad time when few players involved into this, and they have their punishment just like we have few players in other countries even into India but still talking all this is completely none sense because they have enough money from their leagues and other international leagues and fixtures, so they don't need these things better stop this crap and talk into better way is good for all members here in this community because we already have very small community and don't try to create bad manners and things with this all.
If Brendan Taylor trap into this, surely it's his own mistake and many others need to learn from this and never have any contact or relationship like this.

There is no denying that Brendan Taylor is in the wrong here. Under no circumstances anyone should have any relations with these types of people.

Yes, we have previously seen a few Pakistani players getting into these kinds of troubles. Which held Pakistan cricket back for a long time and also were detrimental for the players.

But the problem is when players have a taste of a big amount of money and they start spending a lot they cannot do with the money that they previously had and they want more. I think that's why even though the players get paid well enough but still get into this type of trouble.

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Quote from: galambo on January 30, 2022, 01:14:42 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 30, 2022, 01:45:15 AM

The match fees and annual contract amount for Zimbabwean players are much lower when compared to the international players from other test playing nations. Most of them supplement their income by representing club sides in England or franchise T20 teams. In case of Brendan Taylor, he has represented teams like Nottinghamshire, Chittagong Kings, Wellington Firebirds, Uthura Rudras and Khulna Titans. Not sure how much he would have earned from these teams, but it would be far less when compared to the IPL salaries.

He is also part of IPL as he was in sunrisers hyderabad. If getting less money is issue then whole Pak team should do match fixing since they dont play IPL. I also dont know exactly how much he earned through international matches and leagues but it must be adequate enough to live a good life. Its sad to see such senior player going in that manner.

Even it is no of mine business but still bringing Pakistani players in all cases is not good because there were some bad time when few players involved into this, and they have their punishment just like we have few players in other countries even into India but still talking all this is completely none sense because they have enough money from their leagues and other international leagues and fixtures, so they don't need these things better stop this crap and talk into better way is good for all members here in this community because we already have very small community and don't try to create bad manners and things with this all.

If Brendan Taylor trap into this, surely it's his own mistake and many others need to learn from this and never have any contact or relationship like this.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 30, 2022, 01:45:15 AM

The match fees and annual contract amount for Zimbabwean players are much lower when compared to the international players from other test playing nations. Most of them supplement their income by representing club sides in England or franchise T20 teams. In case of Brendan Taylor, he has represented teams like Nottinghamshire, Chittagong Kings, Wellington Firebirds, Uthura Rudras and Khulna Titans. Not sure how much he would have earned from these teams, but it would be far less when compared to the IPL salaries.

He is also part of IPL as he was in sunrisers hyderabad. If getting less money is issue then whole Pak team should do match fixing since they dont play IPL. I also dont know exactly how much he earned through international matches and leagues but it must be adequate enough to live a good life. Its sad to see such senior player going in that manner.

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Quote from: galambo on January 29, 2022, 02:51:28 PM

He has played over 205 ODIs, 34 Test and 45 T20I for Zim before getting this ban. He has also played IPL and other small leagues like PSL and Lanka League. I don't think money is problem for him as he must have earned huge money after playing such cricket. Its just greed that is chasing players and they wanna get rich over night.

The match fees and annual contract amount for Zimbabwean players are much lower when compared to the international players from other test playing nations. Most of them supplement their income by representing club sides in England or franchise T20 teams. In case of Brendan Taylor, he has represented teams like Nottinghamshire, Chittagong Kings, Wellington Firebirds, Uthura Rudras and Khulna Titans. Not sure how much he would have earned from these teams, but it would be far less when compared to the IPL salaries.

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