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Quote from: eaLiTy on January 29, 2022, 06:38:29 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on January 29, 2022, 01:31:59 AM

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Law enforcement, Cricketing board and ICC has bigger role to play and biggest loser. I have sympathy for cricketers like Taylor due to downfall but he wasn't some Saint. He took 15k and doing his usual cocaine stuff and then fell into blackmail fiasco with some Indian businessman aka fixture. Every international players even club cricketers are regularly briefed by their board and organization in regards of fixing, honeytrap etc.

So he took money from bookies and then busted himself and then only got three and half years of suspension. Usually it will be a life time ban if there is evidence of taking money as far as i understand. What is common here is that with every match fixing scandal there will be an Indian connection Cheesy

. All the way from Hansie Cronje, Herschelle Gibbs, Nicky Boje to Brendan Taylor.

The pay scale of Zimbabwe players are really low and hence it would be easier for the bookies to approach them and they fall for those traps which will ultimately end up exposing themselves in the global scale.

According to his own confession he was told by alleged businessman that 15k was some sort of token amount for new sponsorship, they also sent him tickets so that he can visit them personally at Mumbai. Then he was offered Cocaine at the party, he didn't think much and took it willingly. During their cocaine session someone recorded everything and blackmail game started.

India is biggest market so its kinda obvious that it attracts all sorts of punters.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on January 29, 2022, 06:38:29 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on January 29, 2022, 01:31:59 AM

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Law enforcement, Cricketing board and ICC has bigger role to play and biggest loser. I have sympathy for cricketers like Taylor due to downfall but he wasn't some Saint. He took 15k and doing his usual cocaine stuff and then fell into blackmail fiasco with some Indian businessman aka fixture. Every international players even club cricketers are regularly briefed by their board and organization in regards of fixing, honeytrap etc.

So he took money from bookies and then busted himself and then only got three and half years of suspension. Usually it will be a life time ban if there is evidence of taking money as far as i understand. What is common here is that with every match fixing scandal there will be an Indian connection Cheesy

. All the way from Hansie Cronje, Herschelle Gibbs, Nicky Boje to Brendan Taylor.

The pay scale of Zimbabwe players are really low and hence it would be easier for the bookies to approach them and they fall for those traps which will ultimately end up exposing themselves in the global scale.

The sad thing is that Brendan Taylor is a great cricketer but his career is ending in such a way that no one wanted. And maybe it was said as a joke that with every fixing comes a connection to some Indian but it's actually a fact. @Swordsoffreedom yes Shakib Al Hasan issue is a real example, there was also an Indian guy.

Anyway, I think that law enforcement plays a bigger role here. There needs to be a lot more severe punishment for the bookies. We always see that players get punished in these types of cases. I know a lot of players who have been punished just because they were approached by bookies and they didn't report that to the ICC, But they didn't do anything. On the other hand, I am sure that the bookies don't get into many troubles because they have lots of gods connections.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 29, 2022, 01:31:59 AM

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Law enforcement, Cricketing board and ICC has bigger role to play and biggest loser. I have sympathy for cricketers like Taylor due to downfall but he wasn't some Saint. He took 15k and doing his usual cocaine stuff and then fell into blackmail fiasco with some Indian businessman aka fixture. Every international players even club cricketers are regularly briefed by their board and organization in regards of fixing, honeytrap etc.

So he took money from bookies and then busted himself and then only got three and half years of suspension. Usually it will be a life time ban if there is evidence of taking money as far as i understand. What is common here is that with every match fixing scandal there will be an Indian connection Cheesy

. All the way from Hansie Cronje, Herschelle Gibbs, Nicky Boje to Brendan Taylor.

The pay scale of Zimbabwe players are really low and hence it would be easier for the bookies to approach them and they fall for those traps which will ultimately end up exposing themselves in the global scale.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 28, 2022, 10:58:05 PM

Brendan Taylor is a very underrated player and it is unfortunate that his career is ending in this way. Everyone knows the hardships Zimbabwean players are going through and therefore I won't be surprised if some of the players fell victim to bookies. The ICC is also blind to the complaints from the players. There is simply no accountability from the cricket board. 90% of the funds they receive from the ICC gets stolen and in the end players are left to fend for themselves. Sad to see another great player going down in this manner.

He has played over 205 ODIs, 34 Test and 45 T20I for Zim before getting this ban. He has also played IPL and other small leagues like PSL and Lanka League. I don't think money is problem for him as he must have earned huge money after playing such cricket. Its just greed that is chasing players and they wanna get rich over night.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 29, 2022, 01:31:59 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 28, 2022, 10:58:05 PM

Quote from: onecall123 on January 28, 2022, 08:43:33 AM

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Brendan Taylor, the former Zimbabwe captain accepted four charges under the International Cricket Council's Anti-Corruption Code and one separate charge of violating the ICC's anti-doping code, which led to his suspension from all forms of cricket for three and a half years. Even though this was inevitable, I think it was too harsh. I commend Brendan for taking the initiative and accepting the consequences.

Brendan Taylor is a very underrated player and it is unfortunate that his career is ending in this way. Everyone knows the hardships Zimbabwean players are going through and therefore I won't be surprised if some of the players fell victim to bookies. The ICC is also blind to the complaints from the players. There is simply no accountability from the cricket board. 90% of the funds they receive from the ICC gets stolen and in the end players are left to fend for themselves. Sad to see another great player going down in this manner.

Law enforcement, Cricketing board and ICC has bigger role to play and biggest loser. I have sympathy for cricketers like Taylor due to downfall but he wasn't some Saint. He took 15k and doing his usual cocaine stuff and then fell into blackmail fiasco with some Indian businessman aka fixture. Every international players even club cricketers are regularly briefed by their board and organization in regards of fixing, honeytrap etc.

Well, this is not the first time that a cricketer's career has ended in such a way, right?

One thing I do not understand is if the player is being charged with several laws then isn't it also the duty of the law enforcement to ensure that such things do not happen??

I mean what punishment did the bookie get? Does anyone remember the Mayank Agarwal guy in the Shakib Al Hasan issue? Shakib got banned for doing nothing and all I had about the bookie was 'it's being handled from another direction.

It's basically like saying 'you can sell weed but if anyone buys from you the buyer is in trouble'. WTF!!! Angry

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 28, 2022, 10:58:05 PM

Quote from: onecall123 on January 28, 2022, 08:43:33 AM

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Brendan Taylor, the former Zimbabwe captain accepted four charges under the International Cricket Council's Anti-Corruption Code and one separate charge of violating the ICC's anti-doping code, which led to his suspension from all forms of cricket for three and a half years. Even though this was inevitable, I think it was too harsh. I commend Brendan for taking the initiative and accepting the consequences.

Brendan Taylor is a very underrated player and it is unfortunate that his career is ending in this way. Everyone knows the hardships Zimbabwean players are going through and therefore I won't be surprised if some of the players fell victim to bookies. The ICC is also blind to the complaints from the players. There is simply no accountability from the cricket board. 90% of the funds they receive from the ICC gets stolen and in the end players are left to fend for themselves. Sad to see another great player going down in this manner.

Law enforcement, Cricketing board and ICC has bigger role to play and biggest loser. I have sympathy for cricketers like Taylor due to downfall but he wasn't some Saint. He took 15k and doing his usual cocaine stuff and then fell into blackmail fiasco with some Indian businessman aka fixture. Every international players even club cricketers are regularly briefed by their board and organization in regards of fixing, honeytrap etc.

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Quote from: onecall123 on January 28, 2022, 08:43:33 AM

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Brendan Taylor, the former Zimbabwe captain accepted four charges under the International Cricket Council's Anti-Corruption Code and one separate charge of violating the ICC's anti-doping code, which led to his suspension from all forms of cricket for three and a half years. Even though this was inevitable, I think it was too harsh. I commend Brendan for taking the initiative and accepting the consequences.

Brendan Taylor is a very underrated player and it is unfortunate that his career is ending in this way. Everyone knows the hardships Zimbabwean players are going through and therefore I won't be surprised if some of the players fell victim to bookies. The ICC is also blind to the complaints from the players. There is simply no accountability from the cricket board. 90% of the funds they receive from the ICC gets stolen and in the end players are left to fend for themselves. Sad to see another great player going down in this manner.

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Quote from: onecall123 on January 28, 2022, 08:43:33 AM

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Brendan Taylor, the former Zimbabwe captain accepted four charges under the International Cricket Council's Anti-Corruption Code and one separate charge of violating the ICC's anti-doping code, which led to his suspension from all forms of cricket for three and a half years. Even though this was inevitable, I think it was too harsh. I commend Brendan for taking the initiative and accepting the consequences.

Which means basically his cricket career is over. He is already 35 years of age and three and half years of suspension means a nail in the coffin. Two charges against him, for not informing the authorities when bookies approached him and then another one is doping charges, i never thought they will be checking for doping but he was caught in the test for using cocaine.

Even if he gets a reduced sentence, it will be over 2 years, which means he will not play again.

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Brendan Taylor, the former Zimbabwe captain accepted four charges under the International Cricket Council's Anti-Corruption Code and one separate charge of violating the ICC's anti-doping code, which led to his suspension from all forms of cricket for three and a half years. Even though this was inevitable, I think it was too harsh. I commend Brendan for taking the initiative and accepting the consequences.

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Quote from: galambo on January 26, 2022, 11:05:52 AM

Muttiah Muralitharan incident happened in era when small boards have some space in ICC body. Arjuna Ranatunga the then SL captain took firm stand on that non-sense move by Aussie umpire and it was fully supported by SL cricket board, as a result Muttiah Muralitharan continued his career without further interruption. Nowadays rules are set to favor Big 3 players, no major player from big 3 is reported AFAIK.

Back then, the political grouping was different. The Asian countries were pitted against the SENA and the former grouping had less voting power (back then Bangladesh and Afghanistan were not full members). So back then, the BCCI and PCB were solidly behind the SLCB. On the other hand, England, NZ, SA and WICB were in the other group. But now the situation is different. The BCCI is in the same grouping as CA, ECB and CNZ. I don't think that they will take a favorable stance in case boards like SLCB or PCB need some support.

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Quote from: galambo on January 26, 2022, 11:05:52 AM

Muttiah Muralitharan incident happened in era when small boards have some space in ICC body. Arjuna Ranatunga the then SL captain took firm stand on that non-sense move by Aussie umpire and it was fully supported by SL cricket board, as a result Muttiah Muralitharan continued his career without further interruption. Nowadays rules are set to favor Big 3 players, no major player from big 3 is reported AFAIK.

While we have this incident there was good thing India was not superior and all Asian block was in good shape but sadly after Indian control we lost this and now there are just Big 3 those are doing things for their own sack and just because of IPL money many other boards are not taking any risk and going against them which is really poor from them.

Right now, if few boards take some strict actions then surely we can do some things in better way, but we are split and this is killing with West Indies cricket is struggling very badly South African and Zimbabwe are having their own issues which are very bad for them and some other boards are also having not enough power to create any block, so now we have nothing positive for this ICC and its dual policies.

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^^ Actually, I think Murali had to undergo some tests where he had to prove that he was not throwing the ball. And as far as I know, that kept him away from international cricket but that was for a really short period of time.

However, umpires don't have the authority to do that kind of nonsense in the field anymore. I also remember in a Pakistan versus New Zealand match, where Ross Taylor complained that Hafeez was throwing the ball on the field to The umpire and the umpire told Ross Taylor that this will be looked at by the umpire and he does not need to worry about that.

Hafeez was also just cleared by the ICC for his bowling action. So I have to say that the rules have changed now and the umpires have to follow the rules strictly as well as the players and everyone else.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on January 26, 2022, 10:38:50 AM

Yes, there was a time when the on-field umpire code directly call a no-ball if he just thought that the bowler was throwing.
But after the Muttiah Muralitharan incident against Australia, the rules have changed for the umpires.

An umpire cannot just call a no-ball for throwing. First, he has to give away to the bowler, then to the bowling captain, and then consult with his leg umpire. And Virat can obviously be emotional but he needs to understand that he cannot cross a certain boundary. Even though he knows that he is deprived of something which he deserves.

Muttiah Muralitharan incident happened in era when small boards have some space in ICC body. Arjuna Ranatunga the then SL captain took firm stand on that non-sense move by Aussie umpire and it was fully supported by SL cricket board, as a result Muttiah Muralitharan continued his career without further interruption. Nowadays rules are set to favor Big 3 players, no major player from big 3 is reported AFAIK.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on January 26, 2022, 02:41:53 AM

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Didn't see Hasnain bowling action (and not interested in BBL) so don't know what to make of Henrigues's comment but i did watch the SA vs India match.
Virat said “Focus on your team as well when they shine the ball eh, not just the opposition. Trying to catch people all the time,”
Personally i don't see any wrong in Virat's comment. He was indicating towards "Sand Paper Gate" and how broadcaster Supersport only follow opposition players, which is 99% true. Timing of comment was very wrong tho.
But overall i do agree with your post. PIG-3 players, especially Indian players gets only a slap on the wrist for any disciplinary breach.

Henrigues said on face of Hasnain 'nice throw' which is clearly against the spirit of cricket. But rather then then giving him some punishment his sledging was taken seriously and bowling action of Hasnain was reported by Umpire. Its totally a joke.
Virat or any Indian player can do whatever he want, since nobody wanna lose IPL contracts.

That's not how it works, if that was the case then Umpire could have land into some serious trouble even losing his job.
Normally it works like this. Umpire notice something fishy with the bowling action, then they warn the bowler along with his captain and so on. There is possibility that Henrigues sledged Hasnain after umpire's concern, not defending Henrigues's statement but setting the record straight with series of events as per cricketing norm.

@JSRAW I totally agree with you because there’re strict guidelines in place for this, and no umpire cannot just report for the sake of it, he needs to back it with evidence that all rules were broken and hence he had to report it. Furthermore Virat been extra emotional since his captaincy issue, but he should carefully mince his words because he could face fines or even bans if he crosses a line, and I’m hoping going ahead he doesn’t indulge in this kind of behaviour.

Yes, there was a time when the on-field umpire code directly call a no-ball if he just thought that the bowler was throwing.
But after the Muttiah Muralitharan incident against Australia, the rules have changed for the umpires.

An umpire cannot just call a no-ball for throwing. First, he has to give away to the bowler, then to the bowling captain, and then consult with his leg umpire. And Virat can obviously be emotional but he needs to understand that he cannot cross a certain boundary. Even though he knows that he is deprived of something which he deserves.

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Quote from: Emitdama on January 25, 2022, 03:04:12 PM

ICC is never been an ideal sports organization it's run by England and Australia just for own sack and now as change of power happened and India is having power they are doing this all for their own sack so never expect any good and better thing from these members for others because we have some good number of things which are happening here politics personal likes and dislikes and own preferences are more important for all boards, and they are giving name of governments that they are not allowing about this.

We never have these concerns in other organizations because these are going with their strong system and policies for all which are much better and suitable for all members, not for just one or two.

Sadly India is siding with England and Australia after getting supreme status in cricket due to IPL. India in the past was also abused by England and Australia but for sake of money India has forgotten everything and now doing same what England and Australia were doing in the past to small boards.
In near future we must not expect something good from icc since they have a minor role in regulating cricket affairs.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 26, 2022, 12:32:58 AM

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 22, 2022, 11:19:29 PM

Didn't see Hasnain bowling action (and not interested in BBL) so don't know what to make of Henrigues's comment but i did watch the SA vs India match.

Virat said “Focus on your team as well when they shine the ball eh, not just the opposition. Trying to catch people all the time,”

Personally i don't see any wrong in Virat's comment. He was indicating towards "Sand Paper Gate" and how broadcaster Supersport only follow opposition players, which is 99% true. Timing of comment was very wrong tho.

But overall i do agree with your post. PIG-3 players, especially Indian players gets only a slap on the wrist for any disciplinary breach.

Henrigues said on face of Hasnain 'nice throw' which is clearly against the spirit of cricket. But rather then then giving him some punishment his sledging was taken seriously and bowling action of Hasnain was reported by Umpire. Its totally a joke.
Virat or any Indian player can do whatever he want, since nobody wanna lose IPL contracts.

That's not how it works, if that was the case then Umpire could have land into some serious trouble even losing his job.

Normally it works like this. Umpire notice something fishy with the bowling action, then they warn the bowler along with his captain and so on. There is possibility that Henrigues sledged Hasnain after umpire's concern, not defending Henrigues's statement but setting the record straight with series of events as per cricketing norm.

@JSRAW I totally agree with you because there’re strict guidelines in place for this, and no umpire cannot just report for the sake of it, he needs to back it with evidence that all rules were broken and hence he had to report it. Furthermore Virat been extra emotional since his captaincy issue, but he should carefully mince his words because he could face fines or even bans if he crosses a line, and I’m hoping going ahead he doesn’t indulge in this kind of behaviour.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on January 24, 2022, 07:20:24 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on January 22, 2022, 11:19:29 PM

Didn't see Hasnain bowling action (and not interested in BBL) so don't know what to make of Henrigues's comment but i did watch the SA vs India match.

Virat said “Focus on your team as well when they shine the ball eh, not just the opposition. Trying to catch people all the time,”

Personally i don't see any wrong in Virat's comment. He was indicating towards "Sand Paper Gate" and how broadcaster Supersport only follow opposition players, which is 99% true. Timing of comment was very wrong tho.

But overall i do agree with your post. PIG-3 players, especially Indian players gets only a slap on the wrist for any disciplinary breach.

Henrigues said on face of Hasnain 'nice throw' which is clearly against the spirit of cricket. But rather then then giving him some punishment his sledging was taken seriously and bowling action of Hasnain was reported by Umpire. Its totally a joke.
Virat or any Indian player can do whatever he want, since nobody wanna lose IPL contracts.

That's not how it works, if that was the case then Umpire could have land into some serious trouble even losing his job.

Normally it works like this. Umpire notice something fishy with the bowling action, then they warn the bowler along with his captain and so on. There is possibility that Henrigues sledged Hasnain after umpire's concern, not defending Henrigues's statement but setting the record straight with series of events as per cricketing norm.

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Quote from: Emitdama on January 25, 2022, 03:04:12 PM

ICC is never been an ideal sports organization it's run by England and Australia just for own sack and now as change of power happened and India is having power they are doing this all for their own sack so never expect any good and better thing from these members for others because we have some good number of things which are happening here politics personal likes and dislikes and own preferences are more important for all boards, and they are giving name of governments that they are not allowing about this.

We never have these concerns in other organizations because these are going with their strong system and policies for all which are much better and suitable for all members, not for just one or two.

The voting system within the ICC is designed in a way to reduce the power of smaller teams. In FIFA, all the 200 plus members have the same voting rights. But within ICC, only the test playing nations have full voting rights. And until very recently, the pig-4 (ENG, AUS, IND and NZ) controlled 5-6 votes out of a total of 12. When Manohar was the chairman, he added 4 more voting members (two new test nations - IRE, AFG as well as two votes for chairman and independent director). So the pig-4 now controls 6 votes or so out of 16, which is no way near the majority (the chairman and director usually sides with them, so I have written a total of 6).

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 24, 2022, 09:38:53 PM

When Shashank Manohar was the ICC chairman, he added more voting members to the executive council, and this diluted the power of pig-3. The issue here is not the dominance of the pig-3, but the lack of unity among the remaining members. When New Zealand and England cancelled the Pakistan tour, how many of the other countries supported Pakistan? The same happened with South Africa as well. Tours were cancelled citing the COVID concern. They received zero support from the other members.

You are absolutely correct. There is zero communication among rest of boards, they just wanna save there own interest. What happen with Pakistan was hilarious but none of small board stood up for them. Small boards are sitting like ducks waiting there turn to be hunted down by big 3.

ICC is never been an ideal sports organization it's run by England and Australia just for own sack and now as change of power happened and India is having power they are doing this all for their own sack so never expect any good and better thing from these members for others because we have some good number of things which are happening here politics personal likes and dislikes and own preferences are more important for all boards, and they are giving name of governments that they are not allowing about this.

We never have these concerns in other organizations because these are going with their strong system and policies for all which are much better and suitable for all members, not for just one or two.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 24, 2022, 09:38:53 PM

When Shashank Manohar was the ICC chairman, he added more voting members to the executive council, and this diluted the power of pig-3. The issue here is not the dominance of the pig-3, but the lack of unity among the remaining members. When New Zealand and England cancelled the Pakistan tour, how many of the other countries supported Pakistan? The same happened with South Africa as well. Tours were cancelled citing the COVID concern. They received zero support from the other members.

You are absolutely correct. There is zero communication among rest of boards, they just wanna save there own interest. What happen with Pakistan was hilarious but none of small board stood up for them. Small boards are sitting like ducks waiting there turn to be hunted down by big 3.

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