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Quote from: galambo on January 23, 2022, 04:39:32 AM

Clearly ICC is in hands of big 3 and there players enjoy powers of these boards. Australia already have supreme powers in cricket along with England but now India has surpassed them. There is no regulating body in cricket right now as anyone who is financially rich can do whatever he wants. Irony.

When Shashank Manohar was the ICC chairman, he added more voting members to the executive council, and this diluted the power of pig-3. The issue here is not the dominance of the pig-3, but the lack of unity among the remaining members. When New Zealand and England cancelled the Pakistan tour, how many of the other countries supported Pakistan? The same happened with South Africa as well. Tours were cancelled citing the COVID concern. They received zero support from the other members.

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Quote from: romero121 on January 24, 2022, 02:17:29 PM

Quote from: galambo on January 23, 2022, 04:39:32 AM

Clearly ICC is in hands of big 3 and there players enjoy powers of these boards. Australia already have supreme powers in cricket along with England but now India has surpassed them. There is no regulating body in cricket right now as anyone who is financially rich can do whatever he wants. Irony.

This is the reality. BCCI being one of the richest sports organization have gained more power. As said it was Australia and England that had control over ICC, and now it is the decision of India. Many time this has come out as a big issue, but nothing has caused a change. Nowadays politics too have begun to enter the organisation which is really bad for sports growth.

Here is nothing special even if BCCI is richest sports organization because it's all about cricket and sports now they need to lead from front, but they are creating bad examples for future and other boards. Many times we watch many bad things coming from Indian side and ICC is having nothing with these all they need some better management and sportsman ship because we want to enjoy game, and it's very important for all parties to play fair with this all.

While when Australia and England were in hold they have never done things like this but now as India having hold they are creating many bad things which are never been part of this game and these can create serious concerns for others.

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Quote from: galambo on January 23, 2022, 04:39:32 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on January 22, 2022, 11:19:29 PM

But overall i do agree with your post. PIG-3 players, especially Indian players gets only a slap on the wrist for any disciplinary breach.

Clearly ICC is in hands of big 3 and there players enjoy powers of these boards. Australia already have supreme powers in cricket along with England but now India has surpassed them. There is no regulating body in cricket right now as anyone who is financially rich can do whatever he wants. Irony.

This is the reality. BCCI being one of the richest sports organization have gained more power. As said it was Australia and England that had control over ICC, and now it is the decision of India. Many time this has come out as a big issue, but nothing has caused a change. Nowadays politics too have begun to enter the organisation which is really bad for sports growth.

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For me,Many times I'm enjoying Test cricket match and One day Cricket match.If T-20 Is best but these firmat cricket have entertainment. Every formt cricket has their own benefit. There are too much match around right now U-19 and some Leaugue .Few years ago people Watched touch and Final score but now People are more interesting in cricket and they are fully enjoying in cricket.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 22, 2022, 11:19:29 PM

Didn't see Hasnain bowling action (and not interested in BBL) so don't know what to make of Henrigues's comment but i did watch the SA vs India match.

Virat said “Focus on your team as well when they shine the ball eh, not just the opposition. Trying to catch people all the time,”

Personally i don't see any wrong in Virat's comment. He was indicating towards "Sand Paper Gate" and how broadcaster Supersport only follow opposition players, which is 99% true. Timing of comment was very wrong tho.

But overall i do agree with your post. PIG-3 players, especially Indian players gets only a slap on the wrist for any disciplinary breach.

Henrigues said on face of Hasnain 'nice throw' which is clearly against the spirit of cricket. But rather then then giving him some punishment his sledging was taken seriously and bowling action of Hasnain was reported by Umpire. Its totally a joke.
Virat or any Indian player can do whatever he want, since nobody wanna lose IPL contracts.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on January 22, 2022, 11:03:37 PM

There are two recent incidents which I wanna discuss:

1. Kohli addressing directly the broadcaster in stumps during 3rd test against SA
2. Moises Henriques saying "nice throw" to Pak bowler Hasnain in BBL

So far ICC has not taken any disciplinary action against both player's. The reason is obvious both are from big 3 countries. Had this done by player from Pakistan, Bangladesh or WI ICC will have used his guide book against them. Cricket truly is under big 3 control.

Just because of these biased things this beautiful game of cricket is losing its passion in few countries ICC never been good in these things mostly they favored their own teams and their players so these things happening regularly specially with these big3 which have no control on their players and their ways which creating some serious problems.

If they want to do some better things for future surely they need some better neutral policies and better way of handling all players with same law sometime back few other officials also complain about few teams players attitude which was very bad, but it's never settled so now coming more badly out because these boards have enough power and their players feel their self out of law.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 22, 2022, 11:19:29 PM

But overall i do agree with your post. PIG-3 players, especially Indian players gets only a slap on the wrist for any disciplinary breach.

Clearly ICC is in hands of big 3 and there players enjoy powers of these boards. Australia already have supreme powers in cricket along with England but now India has surpassed them. There is no regulating body in cricket right now as anyone who is financially rich can do whatever he wants. Irony.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on January 22, 2022, 11:03:37 PM

There are two recent incidents which I wanna discuss:

1. Kohli addressing directly broadcasting in stumps during 3rd test against SA
2. Moises Henriques saying "nice throw" to Pak bowler Hasnain in BBL

So far ICC has not taken any disciplinary action against both player's. The reason is obvious both are from big 3 countries. Had this done by player from Pakistan, Bangladesh or WI ICC will have used his guide book against them. Cricket truly is under big 3 control.

Didn't see Hasnain bowling action (and not interested in BBL) so don't know what to make of Henrigues's comment but i did watch the SA vs India match.

Virat said “Focus on your team as well when they shine the ball eh, not just the opposition. Trying to catch people all the time,”

Personally i don't see any wrong in Virat's comment. He was indicating towards "Sand Paper Gate" and how broadcaster Supersport only follow opposition players, which is 99% true. Timing of comment was very wrong tho.

But overall i do agree with your post. PIG-3 players, especially Indian players gets only a slap on the wrist for any disciplinary breach.

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 22, 2022, 09:42:44 PM

I guess most of the test cricket fans are either retirees or those who are unemployed, as none of the other demographic groups have that much spare time.

Ummm does fanatic fan counts?

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There are two recent incidents which I wanna discuss:

1. Kohli addressing directly the broadcaster in stumps during 3rd test against SA
2. Moises Henriques saying "nice throw" to Pak bowler Hasnain in BBL

So far ICC has not taken any disciplinary action against both player's. The reason is obvious both are from big 3 countries. Had this done by player from Pakistan, Bangladesh or WI ICC will have used his guide book against them. Cricket truly is under big 3 control.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on January 22, 2022, 12:05:21 AM

Every format of cricket has its own benefit. It will not be fair to say that people only want to see the shorter format of the games and do not watch one day or test matches. In fact, sometimes the test matches give so much entertainment which T20 format fails to provide. Also, there is no need for everyone to watch each and every series. People can watch series of their interest only.

I am not going to deny that test cricket has its own positives. But the question is whether it is suitable for the majority of the fans or not. My take on test cricket is this - two teams play against each other continuously for 5 days, and even after this there is a chance that the match may end up as a draw. Test matches, especially those being played in the flat surfaces of South Asia are a torture to watch. Anyway, being a working woman, I hardly get a chance to follow test cricket. I guess most of the test cricket fans are either retirees or those who are unemployed, as none of the other demographic groups have that much spare time.

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One major point to contribute on sorry state of ODI -Reverse-Spin.

Reverse swing and spin is missing from limited overs cricket due to rule change in cricket and not because we have less talented bowlers.

Discard 2 balls system in ODI ( need to increase quality of balls) and you would witness bowlers running riots at the pitch. Likes of Bumrah, Shami, Bhuvi, Ashwin, Shaheen, Starc, Hazelwood etc would make modern day batters their bunny for fun. I might also add that Bhuvi and Strac are last breed of reverse swing.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 20, 2022, 10:11:32 PM

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Gone are the days when we had legendary bowlers like Waqar Younis and Wasim Akram, who could swing the ball by a great deal. And the same can be said about the current bunch of spin bowlers. No one can match the calibre of Shane Warne or Muttiah Muralitharan. Test cricket can be exciting, but on very rare occasions. On average, you need to spend days on end watching test cricket, in order to get one hour or so of quality play. And that is the reason why viewership figures for test cricket are on the decline. T20 has got what the fans need.

In the past we witnessed many legendary fast bowlers, in the 70s sheer pace was the main weapon and then in the 80s swing bowling with pace was the main attraction and Waqar Younis and Wasim Akram introduced reverse swing to world cricket, during the initial stages the rest of teams thought they are manipulating the ball to get reverse swing as no one understood the art.

That being said, the matches are competitive now, earlier majority of the Test matches ended up in a draw or the match will be one sided if you are playing against Australia. Now majority of the teams are competitive and the matches are having results in the past 10 years, that can be contributed to the lack of quality batsman as well Cheesy

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on January 22, 2022, 12:05:21 AM

Every format of cricket has its own benefit. It will not be fair to say that people only want to see the shorter format of the games and do not watch one day or test matches. In fact, sometimes the test matches give so much entertainment which T20 format fails to provide. Also, there is no need for everyone to watch each and every series. People can watch series of their interest only.

Agree about this every format of cricket is having own benefit but sadly right now we have many things change in life just because of this now many peoples want to stay with short format and have no enough time to sit all day for having any entertainment so just because of this now short formats are having more popularity and better financial benefits for players and organizers just because of this we have some good number of leagues in different countries all having some good results for respective boards, and they are happy to organize them every year instead of having bilateral series which are not good for any party.

After success of t20 now recently we have two more options like 10 leagues and 100 leagues which creating more entertainment and bringing some good number of fans in this community.

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Quote from: Emitdama on January 21, 2022, 03:04:48 PM

Agree here now next generation can read and check videos about these Legendary players, and we are going into new era where just money is priority instead of quality and new formats like Twenty/20, Ten/10 and 100 Leagues producing just robots not quality players so this all is going to be very useless in next few years.

Leagues will take place of them, and we will watch just few events like we have in Soccer for team events after every 2 or 4 years. Things going to be changed but sadly right now covid19 is having his own impact on this world which is hurting very badly even now we have vaccine and many other things for better safety but still lock-downs and social distance things are very sticking in many countries which is not going to end in near future.

If waqar and Wasim can do that then new players like shaheen and hassan can do that also. But since there is very little test and odi left so such techniques are not much seen. T20 is the future whether we like it or not.
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Quote from: blatchcorn on January 20, 2022, 12:14:19 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 19, 2022, 09:18:12 PM

Nowadays people don't have enough time to spend an entire day to watch ODI or test matches. The traditionalists will be aghast at this, but the only way for U-19 world cup to attract the fans is to change the format to a shorter one (ideally T20). You can compare the views they received on their live streaming page, to the viewership figures they had in the previous tournaments. It shows a continuous decline. Changing the format to T20 will lessen the workload for the younger players as well.

Main reason why football is so hit is because its played in short duration. You just need 90 min to complete a game of football. Cricket is slow to progress just because it take complete day to play in case of odi. You are right if we want to see cricket in more countries then introduce shorter format of the game.

Every format of cricket has its own benefit. It will not be fair to say that people only want to see the shorter format of the games and do not watch one day or test matches. In fact, sometimes the test matches give so much entertainment which T20 format fails to provide. Also, there is no need for everyone to watch each and every series. People can watch series of their interest only.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 20, 2022, 10:11:32 PM

Quote from: Lordshiva on January 20, 2022, 03:21:36 AM

I am a cricket lover so I am against it. T20 cricket is fun but the real meaning of cricket is in test matches and then ODI's. The real class of a player shows there. In T20 matches we dont see much classical shots , batsman fighting it out, bowler swinging the new ball and then spinners spinning the ball. All these things are missing from t20 cricket.

Gone are the days when we had legendary bowlers like Waqar Younis and Wasim Akram, who could swing the ball by a great deal. And the same can be said about the current bunch of spin bowlers. No one can match the calibre of Shane Warne or Muttiah Muralitharan. Test cricket can be exciting, but on very rare occasions. On average, you need to spend days on end watching test cricket, in order to get one hour or so of quality play. And that is the reason why viewership figures for test cricket are on the decline. T20 has got what the fans need.

Agree here now next generation can read and check videos about these Legendary players, and we are going into new era where just money is priority instead of quality and new formats like Twenty/20, Ten/10 and 100 Leagues producing just robots not quality players so this all is going to be very useless in next few years.

Leagues will take place of them, and we will watch just few events like we have in Soccer for team events after every 2 or 4 years. Things going to be changed but sadly right now covid19 is having his own impact on this world which is hurting very badly even now we have vaccine and many other things for better safety but still lock-downs and social distance things are very sticking in many countries which is not going to end in near future.

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Quote from: Lordshiva on January 20, 2022, 03:21:36 AM

Quote from: blatchcorn on January 20, 2022, 12:14:19 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 19, 2022, 09:18:12 PM

Nowadays people don't have enough time to spend an entire day to watch ODI or test matches. The traditionalists will be aghast at this, but the only way for U-19 world cup to attract the fans is to change the format to a shorter one (ideally T20). You can compare the views they received on their live streaming page, to the viewership figures they had in the previous tournaments. It shows a continuous decline. Changing the format to T20 will lessen the workload for the younger players as well.

Main reason why football is so hit is because its played in short duration. You just need 90 min to complete a game of football. Cricket is slow to progress just because it take complete day to play in case of odi. You are right if we want to see cricket in more countries then introduce shorter format of the game.

I am a cricket lover so I am against it. T20 cricket is fun but the real meaning of cricket is in test matches and then ODI's. The real class of a player shows there. In T20 matches we dont see much classical shots , batsman fighting it out, bowler swinging the new ball and then spinners spinning the ball. All these things are missing from t20 cricket.

You got it right, real cricket is Test and somewhat ODI. But today's commercial era is fully controlled by advertising media who interest lies in T20 only. Real bowler is one who can find a wicket in Test but in T20 you can get wicket easily even on bad balls. Test series like Ashes are only given some importance rest are just formalities.

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Quote from: Lordshiva on January 20, 2022, 03:21:36 AM

I am a cricket lover so I am against it. T20 cricket is fun but the real meaning of cricket is in test matches and then ODI's. The real class of a player shows there. In T20 matches we dont see much classical shots , batsman fighting it out, bowler swinging the new ball and then spinners spinning the ball. All these things are missing from t20 cricket.

Gone are the days when we had legendary bowlers like Waqar Younis and Wasim Akram, who could swing the ball by a great deal. And the same can be said about the current bunch of spin bowlers. No one can match the calibre of Shane Warne or Muttiah Muralitharan. Test cricket can be exciting, but on very rare occasions. On average, you need to spend days on end watching test cricket, in order to get one hour or so of quality play. And that is the reason why viewership figures for test cricket are on the decline. T20 has got what the fans need.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on January 20, 2022, 12:14:19 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 19, 2022, 09:18:12 PM

Nowadays people don't have enough time to spend an entire day to watch ODI or test matches. The traditionalists will be aghast at this, but the only way for U-19 world cup to attract the fans is to change the format to a shorter one (ideally T20). You can compare the views they received on their live streaming page, to the viewership figures they had in the previous tournaments. It shows a continuous decline. Changing the format to T20 will lessen the workload for the younger players as well.

Main reason why football is so hit is because its played in short duration. You just need 90 min to complete a game of football. Cricket is slow to progress just because it take complete day to play in case of odi. You are right if we want to see cricket in more countries then introduce shorter format of the game.

I am a cricket lover so I am against it. T20 cricket is fun but the real meaning of cricket is in test matches and then ODI's. The real class of a player shows there. In T20 matches we dont see much classical shots , batsman fighting it out, bowler swinging the new ball and then spinners spinning the ball. All these things are missing from t20 cricket.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 19, 2022, 09:18:12 PM

Nowadays people don't have enough time to spend an entire day to watch ODI or test matches. The traditionalists will be aghast at this, but the only way for U-19 world cup to attract the fans is to change the format to a shorter one (ideally T20). You can compare the views they received on their live streaming page, to the viewership figures they had in the previous tournaments. It shows a continuous decline. Changing the format to T20 will lessen the workload for the younger players as well.

Main reason why football is so hit is because its played in short duration. You just need 90 min to complete a game of football. Cricket is slow to progress just because it take complete day to play in case of odi. You are right if we want to see cricket in more countries then introduce shorter format of the game.

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