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Australian team is a team in true sense while Pakistan team is always like this, only one or two players perform and others just come to show their existence. With Australia, every single member fights but cannot say this for the opponent. Still, the team is a very unpredictable one. Calling for the whitewash would be a little bit exaggeration. With these results, Pakistan will definitely prepare well for the remaining match.

Look at the victory margin. If this match can't be considered as a white-wash, then we need to find a new definition for that term. IMO, there was no positive points for Pakistan from the match. All of their players failed miserably and none could score runs against the main bowlers. Only when Marnus Labuschagne was bowling, some of the Pak batsmen looked comfortable with batting.

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Quote from: Haunebu on November 24, 2019, 06:10:36 AM

Australia already won by an innings and 5 runs. Starc and Hazlewood performed as expected while Warner and Marnus batted brilliantly. Australia is in another league when compared to Pakistan at the moment and I am expecting a whitewash here.

Azam and Rizwan played well, but other players did not support them to fight back against such a competitive total. Pakistan is going downhill in all formats these days.

I agree that Australia is in another league, but apart from Steve Smith, I wouldn't classify any of their players as legends. Gone are the days when they had the best bowling attack in the world (Glenn McGrath, Shane Warne.etc) and the best captain (Ricky Ponting). This weakness was evident during the Ashes series as well, when all the players apart from Smith failed miserably.

BTW, the influx of South African players is helping teams such as Australia, New Zealand and England immensely in their attempt to reduce the gap with India. I am watching the NZ vs England match right now... and the NZ team looks to be full of ex-SA players (Watling, Wagner and de Grandhomme). Even the Player Of The Match during the Australia vs Pakistan match was originally from SA (Marnus Labuschagne).

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on November 24, 2019, 09:23:33 AM

There is absolutely no comparison between the two teams. Australian are the master of the game and no one can beat them in their home ground. One of the Pakistani batsmen did resist and score a century but that could not help them even. They lost by an innings to great Australian team.

Pakistan is not even a strong team to consider them win against a team like Australia, even when they had some of the best fast bowlers they were not able to win because their batting used to fail, the Asian teams are not able to bat on bouncy tracks and they have not played well in green tracks historically but India is performing well recently and they might pose a challenge to Australia and England, South Africa slipped recently and New Zealand is always a dark horse in home condition,

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Quote from: Haunebu on November 24, 2019, 06:10:36 AM

Quote from: Avirunes on November 23, 2019, 12:43:42 AM

They are 9 wickets down now. I don't think they will reach that lead mark even if they have that in mind. I think Ashton Agar (hope I am spelling the name correctly) was the one who scored I guess a century as the last man standing. Its quite rare and I don't think it would happen here.

They still have 2 days left so it's easy win for Australia.

Australia already won by an innings and 5 runs. Starc and Hazlewood performed as expected while Warner and Marnus batted brilliantly. Australia is in another league when compared to Pakistan at the moment and I am expecting a whitewash here.

Azam and Rizwan played well, but other players did not support them to fight back against such a competitive total. Pakistan is going downhill in all formats these days.

There is absolutely no comparison between the two teams. Australian are the master of the game and no one can beat them in their home ground. One of the Pakistani batsmen did resist and score a century but that could not help them even. They lost by an innings to great Australian team.

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Quote from: Avirunes on November 23, 2019, 12:43:42 AM

They are 9 wickets down now. I don't think they will reach that lead mark even if they have that in mind. I think Ashton Agar (hope I am spelling the name correctly) was the one who scored I guess a century as the last man standing. Its quite rare and I don't think it would happen here.

They still have 2 days left so it's easy win for Australia.

Australia already won by an innings and 5 runs. Starc and Hazlewood performed as expected while Warner and Marnus batted brilliantly. Australia is in another league when compared to Pakistan at the moment and I am expecting a whitewash here.

Azam and Rizwan played well, but other players did not support them to fight back against such a competitive total. Pakistan is going downhill in all formats these days.

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One of the reasons for the decline in the quality of cricket in the smaller nations is the ICC's policy of allowing foreigners to represent host countries. In no other sport, this is permitted. For example, there are teams such as Hong Kong, UAE, USA and Canada, where none of the 11 players are citizens of that particular country. This actually weakens financially weak sides such as South Africa, Pakistan and West Indies.

If the ICC policy was not there, then Jofra Archer and Chris Jordan will be playing for West Indies, Marnus Labuschagne and Colin Ingram will be playing for South Africa, and Fawad Ahmed and Imran Tahir will be representing Pakistan.

The individuals must be given the priority to live anywhere they want and i do not want any restriction to any of their freedom, these people moved out for a better living and you cannot restrict them and force them back to their home country just because they cannot play a sport, some of the policies ICC made is to support the Arab countries as majority of the players are from outside and none of the players are not even having citizenship and they are just contract players. So the question is where do you draw a line in this situation.

Obviously I don't want to harm anyone's career prospects. If someone wants to move from his country to another and make a career out of cricket, then we have dozens of franchise T20 leagues out there. But foreigners representing the national team is a tricky situation. There should be a limit for such players, such as 4 per team or a max 5 per team. We can't allow the entire playing XI to be made up of foreigners (like the case with UAE and Singapore). If that is the case, then the locals will always regard cricket as a foreign sport and they will never get interested in it.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on November 23, 2019, 12:17:41 AM

@vella85 Australia have already crossed the 500 runs mark, and now have a lead of 302 runs and I feel they’ll target a lead of at least 500 runs and then they’ll declare their innings. It’s obvious that they’ll try and bowl out Pakistan and win the match by an innings, also it’s pertinent to note that Smith didn’t do much damage as he was dismissed cheaply for four runs only.

The point is that they got to ~600 even without Steve Smith. That is a very big improvement when compared to their performance during the Ashes. Back then it was an one-man army of Smith. Not a single player performed for Pakistan, including the much hyped Naseem Shah. I am afraid that they are sliding towards a point of no return.

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Quote from: vella85 on November 22, 2019, 06:50:33 PM

Australia are in a dominate position in this test match with just 1 wicket down for 312 runs, they should easily post 500+ runs and maybe even 600+ runs and only bat once in this match. With Smith to come I'm thinking Australia should post a total of 500+ by the end of today's play.

@vella85 Australia have already crossed the 500 runs mark, and now have a lead of 302 runs and I feel they’ll target a lead of at least 500 runs and then they’ll declare their innings. It’s obvious that they’ll try and bowl out Pakistan and win the match by an innings, also it’s pertinent to note that Smith didn’t do much damage as he was dismissed cheaply for four runs only.

They are 9 wickets down now. I don't think they will reach that lead mark even if they have that in mind. I think Ashton Agar (hope I am spelling the name correctly) was the one who scored I guess a century as the last man standing. Its quite rare and I don't think it would happen here.

They still have 2 days left so it's easy win for Australia.

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Quote from: vella85 on November 22, 2019, 06:50:33 PM

Australia are in a dominate position in this test match with just 1 wicket down for 312 runs, they should easily post 500+ runs and maybe even 600+ runs and only bat once in this match. With Smith to come I'm thinking Australia should post a total of 500+ by the end of today's play.

@vella85 Australia have already crossed the 500 runs mark, and now have a lead of 302 runs and I feel they’ll target a lead of at least 500 runs and then they’ll declare their innings. It’s obvious that they’ll try and bowl out Pakistan and win the match by an innings, also it’s pertinent to note that Smith didn’t do much damage as he was dismissed cheaply for four runs only.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 22, 2019, 08:42:06 PM

One of the reasons for the decline in the quality of cricket in the smaller nations is the ICC's policy of allowing foreigners to represent host countries. In no other sport, this is permitted. For example, there are teams such as Hong Kong, UAE, USA and Canada, where none of the 11 players are citizens of that particular country. This actually weakens financially weak sides such as South Africa, Pakistan and West Indies.

If the ICC policy was not there, then Jofra Archer and Chris Jordan will be playing for West Indies, Marnus Labuschagne and Colin Ingram will be playing for South Africa, and Fawad Ahmed and Imran Tahir will be representing Pakistan.

The individuals must be given the priority to live anywhere they want and i do not want any restriction to any of their freedom, these people moved out for a better living and you cannot restrict them and force them back to their home country just because they cannot play a sport, some of the policies ICC made is to support the Arab countries as majority of the players are from outside and none of the players are not even having citizenship and they are just contract players. So the question is where do you draw a line in this situation.

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Quote from: vella85 on November 22, 2019, 06:50:33 PM

Australia are in a dominate position in this test match with just 1 wicket down for 312 runs, they should easily post 500+ runs and maybe even 600+ runs and only bat once in this match. With Smith to come I'm thinking Australia should post a total of 500+ by the end of today's play.

The frequency at which these one-sided matches are occurring is not good for the game of cricket. Already cricket is a game that is limited to a handful of countries and its popularity seems to be on the decline in countries such as South Africa and West Indies. On top of that, if the other teams can't compete against the big three, then it will pose even more questions.

One of the reasons for the decline in the quality of cricket in the smaller nations is the ICC's policy of allowing foreigners to represent host countries. In no other sport, this is permitted. For example, there are teams such as Hong Kong, UAE, USA and Canada, where none of the 11 players are citizens of that particular country. This actually weakens financially weak sides such as South Africa, Pakistan and West Indies.

If the ICC policy was not there, then Jofra Archer and Chris Jordan will be playing for West Indies, Marnus Labuschagne and Colin Ingram will be playing for South Africa, and Fawad Ahmed and Imran Tahir will be representing Pakistan.

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Australia are in a dominate position in this test match with just 1 wicket down for 312 runs, they should easily post 500+ runs and maybe even 600+ runs and only bat once in this match. With Smith to come I'm thinking Australia should post a total of 500+ by the end of today's play.

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Quote from: Haunebu on November 02, 2019, 03:20:20 AM

This is just a practice match. I doubt the Australians took this one seriously to be honest. With Smith and Warner in prime form at the moment, I don't think Pakistan have much hope right now unless the Pakistani bowlers bowl extremely well.

I still don't understand why they continue relying on Imad since I never liked his bowling though be bats well down the order. I am predicting an Australian whitewash. Lets see what happens.

The Pakistani seamers can be very effective on Australian pitches, especially Mohammad Irfan and the ever reliable Mohammad Amir. And I don't know whether Pakistan will select two spinners in their final XI. In that case, they need to make a choice between Shadab and Imad. Personally I would go with Imad, as he is a better batsmen. Also, there is a chance that they will go with 3 seamers and 2 spinners (Irfan+Amir+Riaz & Shadab+Imad). If they could tackle Warner, then they have a chance. Remember that he made 217 runs in 3 matches against Sri Lanka, without being dismissed even once.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 01, 2019, 10:30:15 PM

^^^ There was a practice T20 match against the Cricket Australia XI on 31st October, and Pakistan won that match by a big margin. The bowlers were very impressive, especially Shadab Khan, Mohammad Irfan and Imad Wasim. The top 3 batsmen also made good scores (Babar Azam, Fakhar Zaman and Haris Sohail). But the concern for PCB would be the collapse of the middle order, which happened in this match as well.

Even then, the early signs are good for Pakistan. Remember that they are coming to Australia after a humiliating series loss to Sri Lanka at home, in which they were white-washed by a below-strength Sri Lankan team. Australia is going to be a tougher opponent, and on top of that they are in good form right now (recently won the series against Sri Lanka 3-0).

This is just a practice match. I doubt the Australians took this one seriously to be honest. With Smith and Warner in prime form at the moment, I don't think Pakistan have much hope right now unless the Pakistani bowlers bowl extremely well.

I still don't understand why they continue relying on Imad since I never liked his bowling though be bats well down the order. I am predicting an Australian whitewash. Lets see what happens.

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^^^ There was a practice T20 match against the Cricket Australia XI on 31st October, and Pakistan won that match by a big margin. The bowlers were very impressive, especially Shadab Khan, Mohammad Irfan and Imad Wasim. The top 3 batsmen also made good scores (Babar Azam, Fakhar Zaman and Haris Sohail). But the concern for PCB would be the collapse of the middle order, which happened in this match as well.

Even then, the early signs are good for Pakistan. Remember that they are coming to Australia after a humiliating series loss to Sri Lanka at home, in which they were white-washed by a below-strength Sri Lankan team. Australia is going to be a tougher opponent, and on top of that they are in good form right now (recently won the series against Sri Lanka 3-0).

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Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on October 26, 2019, 11:33:34 AM

I had no idea about all these behind the scene rules and regulations if you are playing cricket, all i watch is sports and if there are there restrictions and rules and Shakib Al Hasan as a player contracted to the BCB was unaware of these Huh

. Hope the cricket board will sort the issue rather than destroying a players career as he is the best player in the Bangladesh line up.

Now the only option for him is to cancel his individual deal with the telecom company. Else the BCB will terminate his contract and will not be giving him the NOC needed to play in the IPL matches. I still don't have details about his deal. There is a good chance that he had contacted BCB prior to signing the deal and the BCB used it as a weapon during the player strike after refusing to act on it earlier.

But the overall situation is quite damaging for both the board and the players. India tour is a very big event that may only happen once in several years. It is a big opportunity for the board to get some serious revenues. If it get cancelled due to their infighting, then they would be facing financial constraints for many years to come (in addition to punishment by the ICC).

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Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on October 26, 2019, 11:33:34 AM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on October 26, 2019, 08:09:52 AM

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Even with the Indian players, they need to take permission from the BCCI before endorsing any product. The sponsors are spending hundreds of millions of USD in these deals and they don't want any stab in the back, either from the cricket board or from the players. IMO, as long as Shakib is contracted to the BCB, he can't make partisan decisions.

I had no idea about all these behind the scene rules and regulations if you are playing cricket, all i watch is sports and if there are there restrictions and rules and Shakib Al Hasan as a player contracted to the BCB was unaware of these Huh

. Hope the cricket board will sort the issue rather than destroying a players career as he is the best player in the Bangladesh line up.

@Clement Kaliyar these are the basic rules that each and every player is supposed to know and comply at all times. Skakib is an experienced player and in my opinion he’s guilty of breaching the contract, and he should be fined for it. As far as I know he’s only going to be fined, and additionally he’ll have to share the compensation with BCB which he received for endorsing the product hence his career is not in danger.

https://m.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/110517/furious-bcb-set-to-take-legal-action-against-shakib-al-hasan

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on October 26, 2019, 08:09:52 AM

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Even with the Indian players, they need to take permission from the BCCI before endorsing any product. The sponsors are spending hundreds of millions of USD in these deals and they don't want any stab in the back, either from the cricket board or from the players. IMO, as long as Shakib is contracted to the BCB, he can't make partisan decisions.

I had no idea about all these behind the scene rules and regulations if you are playing cricket, all i watch is sports and if there are there restrictions and rules and Shakib Al Hasan as a player contracted to the BCB was unaware of these Huh

. Hope the cricket board will sort the issue rather than destroying a players career as he is the best player in the Bangladesh line up.

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