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Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on October 26, 2019, 06:36:17 AM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on October 26, 2019, 02:11:04 AM

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They have certain terms and conditions while signing the national contract. What might have happened here (possibly) is a clash of interests. I don't know much about the details, but I think that Shakib Al Hasan entered in to a contract with one of the telecom companies. Now this may be an issue with BCB, as their sponsorship deal involves another telecom company, which happens to be a rival of the first company.

So there is a conflict of interest between the players and the board and is this deal exclusive or all the cricketing boards have these sort of restriction and if that is the case will the players earn any profit for the advertisement the cricketing board does. No wonder the players had a strike and i was not aware of these restrictions because in India the players are advertising many products but i never heard about any issues till now.

Even with the Indian players, they need to take permission from the BCCI before endorsing any product. The sponsors are spending hundreds of millions of USD in these deals and they don't want any stab in the back, either from the cricket board or from the players. IMO, as long as Shakib is contracted to the BCB, he can't make partisan decisions.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on October 26, 2019, 02:11:04 AM

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They have certain terms and conditions while signing the national contract. What might have happened here (possibly) is a clash of interests. I don't know much about the details, but I think that Shakib Al Hasan entered in to a contract with one of the telecom companies. Now this may be an issue with BCB, as their sponsorship deal involves another telecom company, which happens to be a rival of the first company.

So there is a conflict of interest between the players and the board and is this deal exclusive or all the cricketing boards have these sort of restriction and if that is the case will the players earn any profit for the advertisement the cricketing board does. No wonder the players had a strike and i was not aware of these restrictions because in India the players are advertising many products but i never heard about any issues till now.

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Quote from: Avirunes on October 26, 2019, 02:49:29 AM

Exactly. The board's president also speaks about the huge losses they incurred which is around 90 crores Bangladeshi taka i.e equivalent to $10m when few players got into their personal deal in the same way. Board will definetely be seeking huge company from both Shakib and the company now.

Right now they are waiting for explanation from Shakib' side.

Cricket boards around the world are facing the prospects of reduced annual funding from the ICC, after the rising administrative expenses forced the central body to cut down on the fund allocation to individual nations. Bangladesh was supposed to receive $118 million during 2016-2023 from the ICC, but I heard that this has been reduced $105 million. On top of that, Sourav Ganguly is teaming up with N Srinivasan to blackmail the ICC once more. If he goes ahead with his plans, then the funding for countries outside the big 3 will take a big hit.

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Quote from: Avirunes on October 26, 2019, 12:37:50 AM

Seems things are really getting hot between BCB and Bangladeshi players. I wonder which way it will end.

Why would the cricket board interfere in how they earn, if they are not able to pay a good salary and on top of that they will not allow their players to be their brand ambassador and earn extra revenue and what i do not understand is that what is the problem and why they are restricting players to earn like that, Shakib Al Hasan is the best players Bangladesh ever had and if they ban him then he might even retire and play in franchise cricket leagues around the world and make a good amount of money.

They have certain terms and conditions while signing the national contract. What might have happened here (possibly) is a clash of interests. I don't know much about the details, but I think that Shakib Al Hasan entered in to a contract with one of the telecom companies. Now this may be an issue with BCB, as their sponsorship deal involves another telecom company, which happens to be a rival of the first company.

Exactly. The board's president also speaks about the huge losses they incurred which is around 90 crores Bangladeshi taka i.e equivalent to $10m when few players got into their personal deal in the same way. Board will definetely be seeking huge company from both Shakib and the company now.

Right now they are waiting for explanation from Shakib' side.

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Quote from: Avirunes on October 26, 2019, 12:37:50 AM

Seems things are really getting hot between BCB and Bangladeshi players. I wonder which way it will end.

Why would the cricket board interfere in how they earn, if they are not able to pay a good salary and on top of that they will not allow their players to be their brand ambassador and earn extra revenue and what i do not understand is that what is the problem and why they are restricting players to earn like that, Shakib Al Hasan is the best players Bangladesh ever had and if they ban him then he might even retire and play in franchise cricket leagues around the world and make a good amount of money.

They have certain terms and conditions while signing the national contract. What might have happened here (possibly) is a clash of interests. I don't know much about the details, but I think that Shakib Al Hasan entered in to a contract with one of the telecom companies. Now this may be an issue with BCB, as their sponsorship deal involves another telecom company, which happens to be a rival of the first company.

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Quote from: Avirunes on October 26, 2019, 12:37:50 AM

Seems things are really getting hot between BCB and Bangladeshi players. I wonder which way it will end.

Why would the cricket board interfere in how they earn, if they are not able to pay a good salary and on top of that they will not allow their players to be their brand ambassador and earn extra revenue and what i do not understand is that what is the problem and why they are restricting players to earn like that, Shakib Al Hasan is the best players Bangladesh ever had and if they ban him then he might even retire and play in franchise cricket leagues around the world and make a good amount of money.

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Quote from: Avirunes on October 26, 2019, 12:37:50 AM

BCB to take legal action against Shakib: https://m.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/110517/furious-bcb-set-to-take-legal-action-against-shakib-al-hasan

Seems things are really getting hot between BCB and Bangladeshi players. I wonder which way it will end.

These threats and blackmails are not going to work. At least when compared to the players from other countries, Bangladeshi cricketers are paid much below the market standards. And I have a feeling that they have targeted the wrong individual this time. Shakib is the backbone of Bangladeshi cricket and without him, the team is completely worthless. Shakib to Bangladesh is what Kohli is to India and Smith is to Australia.

There is still enough time available with the BCB to resolve the issues through dialogue. They should think about the betterment of the game and not give much priority to their personal ego. And from I have heard, the public opinion and mood is with the players and not with the board. Another thing is that, even if they manage to kick the players out or suspend them, the ICC is not going to just sit back and watch.

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BCB to take legal action against Shakib: https://m.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/110517/furious-bcb-set-to-take-legal-action-against-shakib-al-hasan

Seems things are really getting hot between BCB and Bangladeshi players. I wonder which way it will end.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on October 24, 2019, 08:31:21 AM

I place Sourav Ganguly in a higher regard than any other captain because he started the trend of winning outside India, earlier i remember clearly that when ever India tour outside the subcontinent there is no way that India is able to win but when Sourav Ganguly became the captain he started winning outside and he picked team members from club cricket and Dhoni was picked in the team by Ganguly and he promoted him in the batting order and he made wonders and he stick with Yuraj for a long time even when he was not performing with the bat and he was instrumental in India winning the 2011 world cup and Dhoni continued that legacy and now Kohli and now India is the best team in world cricket and it all started with Ganguly in my opinion.

I still remember those times... But the irony is that Sourav was regarded as "too aggressive" by many of the panelists and former cricketers and several times he was criticized by them for behaving in an aggressive manner. It was understandable, as most of the former Indian captains (Dravid, Azharuddin, Sachin.etc) were mild natured individuals.

He supported a lot of players, including Yuvraj. Also we need to remember that he was made captain at a very difficult time period for Indian cricket, when some of the star players were suspended for match fixing. Sachin Tendulkar had turned down the offer. He had 5 successful years as the team captain. However his differences with Greg Chappell led to the end of his international career.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on October 23, 2019, 09:10:42 PM

Ganguly was the best captain India ever had and Dhoni doesn't come even close. Dhoni started off very well, but very soon he got involved in team politics by favoring Chennai Super Kings/Chennai Cements players such as Dinesh Karthik, Ashwin, Jadeja and Raina.

I place Sourav Ganguly in a higher regard than any other captain because he started the trend of winning outside India, earlier i remember clearly that when ever India tour outside the subcontinent there is no way that India is able to win but when Sourav Ganguly became the captain he started winning outside and he picked team members from club cricket and Dhoni was picked in the team by Ganguly and he promoted him in the batting order and he made wonders and he stick with Yuraj for a long time even when he was not performing with the bat and he was instrumental in India winning the 2011 world cup and Dhoni continued that legacy and now Kohli and now India is the best team in world cricket and it all started with Ganguly in my opinion.

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several teams were banned when there was a match fixing scandal in the IPL and CSK was also banned during that time if i am not wrong.

It is true that the team is banned because one of the administrative members were caught placing illegal bets and they got banned for two years on that grounds but other than that nothing is public and none of the players from CSK were banned so not sure what happened. There were many controversial things throughout the history of the tournament and whether the CSK players were involved is still a mystery.

The owner of CSK was placing bets on his own team. And he was betting against the Chennai Super Kings. Anyone with an IQ level of more than 80 would understand what was going on. But they got away with just a slap on the wrist. After two years, they were re-admitted to the IPL. None of the players were even investigated, and the wife of the accused (Rupa Gurunath) was recently elected as the president of the Tamil Nadu Cricket Association (TNCA).

Now compare this to the treatment meted out to S Sreesanth (who was in the camp which was opposed to N Srinivasan). He was banned for life, and the BCCI refused to reconsider the decision even after he was acquitted by the court. On the other hand, Gurunath Meiyappan admitted his guilt and was back in power after two years. Sreesanth always claimed that the conspiracy against him was hatched by the right-hand man of Srinivasan, Dinesh Karthik. Sreesanth was one of the best pace bowlers back then and his career was destroyed. Karthik on the other hand got a huge number of opportunities, although he was completely useless.

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Quote from: BChydro on October 24, 2019, 05:17:05 AM

several teams were banned when there was a match fixing scandal in the IPL and CSK was also banned during that time if i am not wrong.

It is true that the team is banned because one of the administrative members were caught placing illegal bets and they got banned for two years on that grounds but other than that nothing is public and none of the players from CSK were banned so not sure what happened. There were many controversial things throughout the history of the tournament and whether the CSK players were involved is still a mystery.

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Quote from: Haunebu on October 24, 2019, 04:50:09 AM

Team politics is a part of any sport(Not just Cricket) and every captain favors certain players. CSK was already screwed for 2 years thanks to their administration(Not the players) and they bounced back in a remarkable fashion. Think before posting wild statements about CSK fixing matches etc(I am a fan of SRH btw).

If there is no unity in a team they are not able to perform well and no captain can favor a player who is not having the caliber to perform, match fixing is predominant in sports but i did not understand your statement here, how the actions of an administration let the entire team to be banned, several teams were banned when there was a match fixing scandal in the IPL and CSK was also banned during that time if i am not wrong.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on October 23, 2019, 09:10:42 PM

Quote from: eaLiTy on October 22, 2019, 06:40:38 AM

Hands down Dhoni is the best captain India ever had and no one comes close to that and the Indian management played a big role in helping Kohli to take over as the captain when Dhoni was still in the team.

Ganguly was the best captain India ever had and Dhoni doesn't come even close. Dhoni started off very well, but very soon he got involved in team politics by favoring Chennai Super Kings/Chennai Cements players such as Dinesh Karthik, Ashwin, Jadeja and Raina. This resulted in some of the other players forming their own cabal under Virat Kohli.

Also, it needs to be remembered that Dhoni to this day remains loyal to N Srinivasan, the person who did irreparable damage to both Indian cricket and world cricket. CSK managed to earn huge amounts of money by fixing their matches, but they got one or two years of suspension and after that they were included back in the IPL.

Lol. I disagree. MS Dhoni is a legend who is the greatest Indian captain so far with Ganguly trailing behind him at this point. No other Indian captain was able to achieve the historical feats that he achieved especially when the Indian team was under pressure.

Team politics is a part of any sport(Not just Cricket) and every captain favors certain players. CSK was already screwed for 2 years thanks to their administration(Not the players) and they bounced back in a remarkable fashion. Think before posting wild statements about CSK fixing matches etc(I am a fan of SRH btw).

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Quote from: Avirunes on October 24, 2019, 12:30:22 AM

Well I did heard about Dhoni favouring his CSK players more than others but anyway I am not saying that who is the best but right now every captain till now we had have played an important role in achieving the ranks we enjoy today. IPL are full of controversies and who knows what was the actual thing behind. If one gets caught they drag others with themselves so its hard to picture the actual mastermind.

It is hard to understand what goes behind closed doors but as a captain Dhoni was the best and IPL is pure business but it produces some talents in the team, Ashwin started his career in the IPL and so does many others and then became world class players so the contribution of IPL cannot be rejected and many people are coming forward to take cricket as a career because of the opportunities available right now.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on October 23, 2019, 09:10:42 PM

Ganguly was the best captain India ever had and Dhoni doesn't come even close. Dhoni started off very well, but very soon he got involved in team politics by favoring Chennai Super Kings/Chennai Cements players such as Dinesh Karthik, Ashwin, Jadeja and Raina. This resulted in some of the other players forming their own cabal under Virat Kohli.

Also, it needs to be remembered that Dhoni to this day remains loyal to N Srinivasan, the person who did irreparable damage to both Indian cricket and world cricket. CSK managed to earn huge amounts of money by fixing their matches, but they got one or two years of suspension and after that they were included back in the IPL.

Well I did heard about Dhoni favouring his CSK players more than others but anyway I am not saying that who is the best but right now every captain till now we had have played an important role in achieving the ranks we enjoy today. IPL are full of controversies and who knows what was the actual thing behind. If one gets caught they drag others with themselves so its hard to picture the actual mastermind.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on October 22, 2019, 06:40:38 AM

Hands down Dhoni is the best captain India ever had and no one comes close to that and the Indian management played a big role in helping Kohli to take over as the captain when Dhoni was still in the team.

Ganguly was the best captain India ever had and Dhoni doesn't come even close. Dhoni started off very well, but very soon he got involved in team politics by favoring Chennai Super Kings/Chennai Cements players such as Dinesh Karthik, Ashwin, Jadeja and Raina. This resulted in some of the other players forming their own cabal under Virat Kohli.

Also, it needs to be remembered that Dhoni to this day remains loyal to N Srinivasan, the person who did irreparable damage to both Indian cricket and world cricket. CSK managed to earn huge amounts of money by fixing their matches, but they got one or two years of suspension and after that they were included back in the IPL.

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Quote from: Indymoney on October 23, 2019, 06:27:08 PM

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Well Kohli also respects him a lot as he also still asks for Dhoni's input inside the game which is a very good character and a correct direction for becoming a successful captain. Dhoni has seen a lot and he is well experienced with strategies a team need to place at specific point of game. There is lot to learn about and respecting each teammates views and analyzing the situation and making a decision is a easy and fast way. Otherwise you will only be testing out strategies and who knows whether it might work or not.

The process is really good, Ganguly, Sachin and Kumble helped Dhoni to develop as a good captain and Dhoni is passing the torch to Kohli, in Test matches Kohli is the better captain because of his aggressive approach to the game and so is the reason we are seeing results rather than draws and i rate him higher in that aspect and this is my opinion as a cricket fan.

Currently we can say Kohli is one of best test captains as his agression is his best weapon this happen just because of his love with cricket and good support from Dhoni this started from as mention Great Ganguly he was real hero for Indian agreesvie cricket now we will watch this for some more time as they are going in good and strong back of good cricketers in domestic cricket.

Kohli is one of the best cricketer, but if there isn't no mutual play from rest of the players he can't be the best captain. Looking at the previous test match India had the home advantage, but looking upon individual performance each and everyone played good cricket. The combined effort is the reason for the winning than aggressive play.

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Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on October 23, 2019, 12:36:40 AM

Quote from: Avirunes on October 22, 2019, 10:07:47 AM

Well Kohli also respects him a lot as he also still asks for Dhoni's input inside the game which is a very good character and a correct direction for becoming a successful captain. Dhoni has seen a lot and he is well experienced with strategies a team need to place at specific point of game. There is lot to learn about and respecting each teammates views and analyzing the situation and making a decision is a easy and fast way. Otherwise you will only be testing out strategies and who knows whether it might work or not.

The process is really good, Ganguly, Sachin and Kumble helped Dhoni to develop as a good captain and Dhoni is passing the torch to Kohli, in Test matches Kohli is the better captain because of his aggressive approach to the game and so is the reason we are seeing results rather than draws and i rate him higher in that aspect and this is my opinion as a cricket fan.

Currently we can say Kohli is one of best test captains as his agression is his best weapon this happen just because of his love with cricket and good support from Dhoni this started from as mention Great Ganguly he was real hero for Indian agreesvie cricket now we will watch this for some more time as they are going in good and strong back of good cricketers in domestic cricket.

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Quote from: Avirunes on October 22, 2019, 10:07:47 AM

Well Kohli also respects him a lot as he also still asks for Dhoni's input inside the game which is a very good character and a correct direction for becoming a successful captain. Dhoni has seen a lot and he is well experienced with strategies a team need to place at specific point of game. There is lot to learn about and respecting each teammates views and analyzing the situation and making a decision is a easy and fast way. Otherwise you will only be testing out strategies and who knows whether it might work or not.

The process is really good, Ganguly, Sachin and Kumble helped Dhoni to develop as a good captain and Dhoni is passing the torch to Kohli, in Test matches Kohli is the better captain because of his aggressive approach to the game and so is the reason we are seeing results rather than draws and i rate him higher in that aspect and this is my opinion as a cricket fan.

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