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Quote from: ThePrinceofTea on September 23, 2015, 04:12:26 PM

To MaryUpol or not, that's the question...

On a more serious note, if or when this little misunderstanding gets resolved, what you going to do zealot posters? pimp syria (or any strong perpetual leader) to the moon with one of your other account?

Quote from: galdur on September 23, 2015, 12:56:31 PM

BTW, speaking of vassals. U.S. to deploy new and improved nuclear weapons to Germany. Everybody is happy with that except of course the Russians. What´s with these guys they´re always complaining. Well, screw them if they don´t like it why don´t they just move the borders east. It´s not the fault of the Americans that the borders are so close to those weapons. The Russians should have had the foresight long ago to see that this could happen.

Resorting to sarcasm, I see. Grin

It's actually quite funny, when you think about it. Merkel did a big number out of getting rid of nuclear power plants in Germany (thus increasing its dependence on gas), but lets a large US nuclear contingent stay in Germany, thus painting a large bullseye on the country in case a conflict goes hot.

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To MaryUpol or not, that's the question...

On a more serious note, if or when this little misunderstanding gets resolved, what you going to do zealot posters? pimp syria (or any strong perpetual leader) to the moon with one of your other account?

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BTW, speaking of vassals. U.S. to deploy new and improved nuclear weapons to Germany. Everybody is happy with that except of course the Russians. What´s with these guys they´re always complaining. Well, screw them if they don´t like it why don´t they just move the borders east. It´s not the fault of the Americans that the borders are so close to those weapons. The Russians should have had the foresight long ago to see that this could happen.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 23, 2015, 12:35:34 PM

Quote from: galdur on September 23, 2015, 11:49:04 AM

The Soviets annexed a good chunk of Poland and added it to their Ukrainian republic in 1939 after they and the Germans invaded and occupied Poland. Not sure if there´s much outcry from the Poles over that now, maybe they´re biding their time hoping that the Ukrainian mess falls apart and they can somehow grab it back. So, the transfer of Crimea in 1954 certainly wasn´t the only change in the borders of Soviet Ukraine during its lifetime.

The Soviets annexed ethnic Ukrainian majority parts of the pre-1939 Poland in 1945, and the Poles got the 100% ethnic German provinces of Pommern, Ostpreußen, Westpreußen, and Schlesien in return. If the Poles wants back its former territories in Ukraine, then they will have to give back the four "recovered" provinces to Germany.

I´m not sure "will have to" is so important here. Germany is U.S. vassal state, it´s a land under a permanent occupation. Has been for 70 years. They will do what the master tells them to do if it comes to any arrangements on the borders.

As for Poland well it´s not a formal vassal but pretty close I guess. More like a lapdog. Any arrangements will have to be under guidance by good old Uncle Sam.

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Quote from: galdur on September 23, 2015, 11:49:04 AM

The Soviets annexed a good chunk of Poland and added it to their Ukrainian republic in 1939 after they and the Germans invaded and occupied Poland. Not sure if there´s much outcry from the Poles over that now, maybe they´re biding their time hoping that the Ukrainian mess falls apart and they can somehow grab it back. So, the transfer of Crimea in 1954 certainly wasn´t the only change in the borders of Soviet Ukraine during its lifetime.

The Soviets annexed ethnic Ukrainian majority parts of the pre-1939 Poland in 1945, and the Poles got the 100% ethnic German provinces of Pommern, Ostpreußen, Westpreußen, and Schlesien in return. If the Poles wants back its former territories in Ukraine, then they will have to give back the four "recovered" provinces to Germany.

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The Soviets annexed a good chunk of Poland and added it to their Ukrainian republic in 1939 after they and the Germans invaded and occupied Poland. Not sure if there´s much outcry from the Poles over that now, maybe they´re biding their time hoping that the Ukrainian mess falls apart and they can somehow grab it back. So, the transfer of Crimea in 1954 certainly wasn´t the only change in the borders of Soviet Ukraine during its lifetime.

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on September 23, 2015, 09:37:35 AM

Poroshenko's madness continues. He now suggests renaming Crimea in "Crimea-Tatarian Autonomous Republic" Roll Eyes

http://russian.rt.com/article/118450

May be he should ask the Crimean Tatars and the other Turkish Muslims to migrate to the Lvov oblast, and then declare that province as the Lvov Tatar Autonomous Republic. If I am not wrong, there is a substantial population of Tatars living in Lvov, numbering around 6,000. Once the declaration is done, he can allow the Shakira Law, Polygamy, and other Tatar customs.

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Poroshenko's madness continues. He now suggests renaming Crimea in "Crimea-Tatarian Autonomous Republic" Roll Eyes

http://russian.rt.com/article/118450

Just a reminder: Tatars constitute ~10% of the Crimean population...

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Quote from: vero on September 21, 2015, 08:20:03 PM

Now, if the Crimea was part of Russia again, or not? "- Depending on your viewpoint
As for Crimea was initially part of Soviet Union

Until the 1954 illegal transfer of Crimea into the jurisdiction of Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic bu Khrushjov, Crimea was a part of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic, and before the 1917 coup d'etat it was a part of the Russian Empire.

And until 1917, most of what is today known as "Ukraine" was just a county within Russia.

So there is actually no "viewpoint" to speak about.

Apropos the "blockade". The next logical stage has been reached: Right Sector now extorts money from the Ukrainian farmers/truck drivers to let their perishable produce pass through the border to Crimea, Crimea being the main market for the south-Ukrainian farmers.

Truck drivers waiting on the Ukrainian side of the state border are on the verge of starting a revolt:
http://tass.ru/politika/2280093

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Now, if the Crimea was part of Russia again, or not? "- Depending on your viewpoint
As for Crimea was initially part of Soviet Union

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Dzhimiljov and co, aided by Right Sector, started a "food blockade" of Crimea. They stop all Ukrainian agricultural produce from entering Crimea. This is done under banners of "helping Crimean Tatars". In the end, Crimean Tatars are irritated that Dzhimiljov and Americans are using them, while the blockade hits hard on the remains of the Ukrainian economy. Crimea will not notice this blockade. The head of the so-called Crimean Tatar Congress calls this blockade for the Tatar Maidan:

http://ria.ru/world/20150920/1266141326.html
http://gordonua.com/news/crimea/Krymskie-tatary-i-Pravyy-sektor-nachali-prodovolstvennuyu-blokadu-Kryma-98565.html

Meanwhile Crimean Tatars organised a picket in front of the house of one of the organisers of the "blockade":
http://ria.ru/society/20150920/1265953999.html

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 18, 2015, 12:47:53 PM

Quote from: Nemo1024 on September 16, 2015, 01:31:17 PM

Russia also has a naval base in Cyprus, and another one in Syria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_naval_base_in_Tartus).
Now, let's put 2 and 2 together. What is it so important for US to destroy Syria, hm?

The Tartus naval base is not capable of hosting any of the bigger Russian warships. Also, right now very few Russian naval personnel are serving in Tartus. Honestly, I don't know why the Russians are not upgrading the Tartus facility. It is strategically located in the Middle East, and offers a launching point for operations against pirates (in East Mediterranean).

They do, adding an airfield - thus all the hysterical reports from the US StateDep about "Russian planes in Syria".

Articles from March this year about the expansion of the repairs base in Tartus into a full-fledged military one:
http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201503261556-wvqc.htm
http://www.vz.ru/news/2015/3/26/736582.html

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on September 16, 2015, 01:31:17 PM

Russia also has a naval base in Cyprus, and another one in Syria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_naval_base_in_Tartus).
Now, let's put 2 and 2 together. What is it so important for US to destroy Syria, hm?

The Tartus naval base is not capable of hosting any of the bigger Russian warships. Also, right now very few Russian naval personnel are serving in Tartus. Honestly, I don't know why the Russians are not upgrading the Tartus facility. It is strategically located in the Middle East, and offers a launching point for operations against pirates (in East Mediterranean).

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Haw haw, nutballs in Ukraine´s Foreign Ministry complained that Messrs. Putin and Berlusconi neglected to get Kiev´s consent before visiting the Crimea. Grin

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 13, 2015, 12:06:23 PM

Quote from: wearepoor on September 12, 2015, 02:13:25 PM

Russia is interested in Crimea because it really is a....'warm water port'....Russia is frozen each winter by solid ice. They can't get their ships out unless they have a 'warm water' that is 'unfrozen' winter port to their south. They work 'ice breaker ships' up in the arctic and north Europe but in a heavy winter they can't count on this because the ships may not fight through.

Russia already has another warm water port in Sochi (Krasnodar Krai). Also, they have rights to use another warm water port, Sukhumi (located in the Republic of Abkhazia). The issue is that both these ports are located in the Black Sea, thereby making them vulnerable to a possible Turkish naval blockade in the Strait of Bosphorus.

Russia also has a naval base in Cyprus, and another one in Syria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_naval_base_in_Tartus).
Now, let's put 2 and 2 together. What is it so important for US to destroy Syria, hm?

Those are 2 of the very few bases that Russia has (unlike USA).

Some news from the land of absurdities, Ukraine:

Ukrainian "Crimean" prosecutor's offices started a criminal process against the director of Massandra wine factory, who allegedly opened an antique bottle of wine for Putin's and Berlusconi's visit. The bottle of Jerez de la Frontera was brought to Massandra by the founder of Massandra, Count Mihail Vorontsov from Spain in 1775 - 179 years before Crimea was illegally transferred to Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic.

So how come that wine is Ukrainian, when Ukraine occupied Crimea only during short 60 years, 40 of which formally as part of USSR?

http://www.vz.ru/news/2015/9/16/767257.html

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EU kept sanctions against Russian citizens in force
Council of the European Union has extended the term of sanctions against 149 Russian citizens, including self-proclaimed head of Crimea Serei Aksyonov, and 37 companies by six months until March 2016.

United Russia won all additional elections in Crimea
Russia’s ruling political party United Russia has won all additional elections held in Crimea this weekend.
These additional elections were held to elect deputies for seats left vacant in some of the municipal parliaments and “the State Council of Crimea”. The turnout reportedly was about 20%.

Chubarov said fresh sanctions key for returning Crimea
During Yalta European Strategy Annual Meeting Refat Chubarov, Chairman of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People, named three key factors that can lead to returning Crimea to Ukraine: new sanctions against closest financial allies of Russia’s president Vladimir Putin, increasing Ukraine’s military power and implementing reforms in Ukraine.

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Quote from: wearepoor on September 12, 2015, 02:13:25 PM

Russia is interested in Crimea because it really is a....'warm water port'....Russia is frozen each winter by solid ice. They can't get their ships out unless they have a 'warm water' that is 'unfrozen' winter port to their south. They work 'ice breaker ships' up in the arctic and north Europe but in a heavy winter they can't count on this because the ships may not fight through.

Russia already has another warm water port in Sochi (Krasnodar Krai). Also, they have rights to use another warm water port, Sukhumi (located in the Republic of Abkhazia). The issue is that both these ports are located in the Black Sea, thereby making them vulnerable to a possible Turkish naval blockade in the Strait of Bosphorus.

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Russia is interested in Crimea because it really is a....'warm water port'....Russia is frozen each winter by solid ice. They can't get their ships out unless they have a 'warm water' that is 'unfrozen' winter port to their south. They work 'ice breaker ships' up in the arctic and north Europe but in a heavy winter they can't count on this because the ships may not fight through.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 11, 2015, 12:35:23 PM

And when these guys go back home, they start badmouthing Russia.

Khaklism as is. Cheesy

Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 11, 2015, 12:35:23 PM

I just hope that Putin will ban W.Ukrainians from working in Russia and replace them with North Koreans.

Something like this is happening right now, more than 20000 of them are already working in Russia. They seem as better option because they're very hardworking people.

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Quote from: Souldream on September 07, 2015, 08:21:58 AM

Germany accepted them to get new workers as brith is lowering too fast... and need 300.000 workers....

And here comes the Ukropy wet dream about immigrating to Germany. Listen, Germany is not going to permit any of you Ukrainians to immigrate to that country. They prefer Turks, Arabs, and Albanians, as these groups will do the save labor without any complaint or protest. It is true that Germany needs some 300,000 new workers every year. But unfortunately for you, they are going to take in 800,000 Syrian "refugees" (80% of them Pakistanis and Egyptians with fake Syrian passport) every year, until 2020. Wait until 2050. Germany might permit a few dozen from Ukraine to immigrate.

For the past 25 years, Western Ukrainians have been working in Russia and earning their livelihood. And when these guys go back home, they start badmouthing Russia. I just hope that Putin will ban W.Ukrainians from working in Russia and replace them with North Koreans.

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