Topic: Crimea - page 68. (Read 156940 times)

So what? There are Saudi terrorists too, are all Saudis terrorists? Same for Americans, and in the end probably there are terrorists too, maybe just not from Pitcairn where they are all pedophiles.

well... depends on way we look at the things..
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doesn't ?

First, let get the facts straight. Crimea was controlled by the Crimean Khanate until 1783, when Russia annexed it. It was then part of Russia for 138 years until 1921. Then it was part of the Russian SFSR from 1921-1954, when it was transferred to the Ukrainian SSR. So, it has been part of Russia for 171 years and after that Ukraine for 60 years.

Let's not forget the time before Russian annexation. The Crimean Khanate existed between 1441-1783 and even during most of the period of Russian control the majority of the population consisted of Crimean Tatars. It was due to Soviet policies that the Crimean Tatars either perished in famine or were deported to remote areas of the Soviet Union, thus opening up for Russian immigration. After the break-up of the Soviet Union, the Crimean Tatars were allowed to move back to their motherland, but they're still a minority.

So, yes, the majority in the Crimea are Russians, but they certainly cannot claim centuries' old right to it. That only the Crimean Tatars can do, who were robbed of their homeland by the bolsheviks. However, they want their homeland to stay part of Ukraine, as they have been oppressed by Czar Russia and then Soviet Union for a very long time.

About the claims of Nazis now controlling Kyiv. Well, yes, there are neo-Nazis in Kyiv. There are also neo-Nazis in Moscow... and in Berlin for that matter. In neither city they are in control. The Nazis committed horrible crimes in most countries of Europe and people remember that. Claiming that Nazis are now controlling any country is ridiculous, to be honest. If you believe that, you are falling for propaganda. I myself was once very close to get beaten up by skinheads in Moscow (in Izmaylovskiy Park) a couple of years ago (I had long hair and apparently Russian skinheads don't like people with long hair, I learnt afterwards), but I don't go around saying that Nazis are controlling Moscow... I'm sure you can film some neo-Nazis in either Kyiv or Moscow. The question is what you do with it. If it's only the neo-Nazis you're showing in media and not much else, then it's propaganda...

Now, my take on the situation; Janukovich is a corrupt politician who has stolen millions, if not billions, of hryvnias from the Ukrainian people. They were fed up with him and got rid of him. Probably the new leaders are also corrupt, but that's another story. Yes, the revolution was led by people from Western Ukraine and they are more friendly towards the EU than towards Russia, but that doesn't mean they will start oppressing Russian-speaking people. I was actually hoping that the new Ukrainian government would be more inclusive than Janukovich and be the government for all Ukrainian citizens, not just one part. Anway, my impression is that Putin ceased this opportunity to spread propaganda, which created fear in the Russians on the Crimea. Thus Putin could use the protection of his countrymen abroad as an excuse to take control of the Crimea. This is a very useful excuse and has been used many times before. By the Americans in 1846 (Texas) and by the Germans 1938 (Sudetenland), for example.

"Peace in our time"

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Common , stop with the constipation theories ..
I bet there were also some russian terrorist there too, how about the Russian invading... Russia?

Great, conspiracy theories! Now Ukrainians are supporting terrorism. How convenient! I don't believe that crap if it comes from USA, now imagine from ex-USSR!
And even so, if they some Ukrainians joined Georgia or Muslim crackpots, it doesn't mean Ukraine did.

Learn about ukrainians in Chechnya involved in salafi terrorist activity in 1989-2014 and ukrainians in Georgia in 2008.

Nazis are an hybrid "Communist-Fascist" thing that have their place in the deep bottom of History, under that section that reads "Leave this to rot in Hell".

I have to say, my deepest sorrow about mankind is that we are so attached to old ideologies, mostly from XVIII or XIX Century which are filled with loopholes, mass murders, dictators and everything that comes along. We are the generation that studied most and still no new order manages to come out, just travesty versions of the same old sh*t.
About historical vengeances, the Russians that live today have nothing to do with the mass famine of the Ukrainians by 33 and the Ukrainians that live today don't have anything to do with... I never heard of any Ukrainians massacring Russians or anything, but if they did, whoever was doing that is most likely long dead.

There is no "fascists", there are "neo nazi" with direct linking to WW2 personals in occupied Ukraine,

oher strange thing is calling salafi jihadists in war against Russia from "Government of Victory".

So what? Russians didn't fall short on those accounts. They are far from being poor innocent peasants.
If we want to do something about it is leave the past in the past and try to not repeat the things, otherwise an eye for an eye and we will end up all blind!
And specially leave those pathetic ideologies such as Fascism or Communism back where they belong: History books.

Have You idea about what is "ethnic cleansing" in modern Europe hystory?
In Caucasus,in Yugoslavia, in Transistria?

Have you listen about first decisions against Russian language in Ukraine made from "Government of Victory"?

If there will be not projected Crimean Jewish Socialist State, no one exchange hazarian tartars to jews.
You have shit only in your brain.

(Learn better from where comes turks to actual "Turkey")

On the somewhat wackjob funny side is the old soviets at Crimea saying they're "protecting it from the Fascists".
If they missed it, most likely they did, despite the Communists use "Fascist" as an insult, Communists ARE Fascists, the only tiny difference between them is about private property, fascism allows it to some, communism doesn't allow it at all. Other than that, they're faces of the very same old and rotten coin.

For the Crimean peninsula, Wikipedia says:


Oh, that's strange. It seems that the Tatars don't even exist according to the Russian map! This must mean that Wikipedia is lying. There's no such thing as a Tatar ethnic minority!


Are you blind? washingtonpost is totally American font "of true".

Learn about Cossack Republic in Northern Italy.

That's what's so dangerous about our media, A lot of people in America still don't understand that the MSM is bought and paid for and they take what they hear at face value.

But i don't think we would send any troops over there, I'm sure the paid shill media will try to spin it like we should though.

Crimea was a part of Russia until 1954 when Nikita Khrushev simply donated it to the Ukraine to show friendship of USSR's govt. Russians are the majority here and Ukraininan Nazis strongly hated in Crimea!

If you have studied political situation in the Ukraine you must know that there are a lot of neo-nazis among Maidan rioters who took power in Kiev. Crimea's population are mostly Russian and they will never agree to live under this government!

Who begin to kill civilians and peace keeping russian soldiers in the South Ossetia?
Tell me please.


Try to talk with people, who live there, in Internet is easy.

I do agree with you. It's not right to interfere in the affairs of a sovereign country. Maybe Russia  under the pretext of helping russians in Ukraine is going to begin a war as it was with the South Ossetia conflict

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Well, hell.  Boys, why're we waiting?  Let's get on it.

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