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I have seen the platform and it is not bad, what I do not know very well is whether to completely trust random.org, haven't you tried to try Provably Fair? it is better since it has the best acceptance within the forum, remember that here reputation represents practically everything, and there are many famous sites that use it and everything is going well.
You say that the players are friends and family, well if we trust your goodwill, what times are they available? 24 hours is impossible, do they also have some bots? for the platform to move?
You say that the players are friends and family, well if we trust your goodwill, what times are they available? 24 hours is impossible, do they also have some bots? for the platform to move?
You are correct, we are currently working on a Provably Fair mechanism, I hope by next week we will have the full process so you can actually see the verification was done. We did some research, and random.org is a solid service when you are using their api to Draw a random winner (again, we will have a full description coming next week, in the meantime, we already updated FAQ on the website)
I think that when they integrate Provably Fair it will be all different, random.org may be solid but here in the forum when there is some uncertainty about the systems it is better to take it into account since experience is what determines. The improvements in the platform will represent success in the near future, in addition to entering the world of gambling on the right foot at this time is a golden opportunity because of how the Bitcoin market is.
it was the provably fair system is the popular system that crypto nation use especially if your business is a gambling sites .
We have implemented an RNG verification system and the whole process of choosing a winner is described here https://cryptnroll.com/rng_verification
I have seen the platform and it is not bad, what I do not know very well is whether to completely trust random.org, haven't you tried to try Provably Fair? it is better since it has the best acceptance within the forum, remember that here reputation represents practically everything, and there are many famous sites that use it and everything is going well.
You say that the players are friends and family, well if we trust your goodwill, what times are they available? 24 hours is impossible, do they also have some bots? for the platform to move?
You say that the players are friends and family, well if we trust your goodwill, what times are they available? 24 hours is impossible, do they also have some bots? for the platform to move?
You are correct, we are currently working on a Provably Fair mechanism, I hope by next week we will have the full process so you can actually see the verification was done. We did some research, and random.org is a solid service when you are using their api to Draw a random winner (again, we will have a full description coming next week, in the meantime, we already updated FAQ on the website)
I think that when they integrate Provably Fair it will be all different, random.org may be solid but here in the forum when there is some uncertainty about the systems it is better to take it into account since experience is what determines. The improvements in the platform will represent success in the near future, in addition to entering the world of gambling on the right foot at this time is a golden opportunity because of how the Bitcoin market is.
it was the provably fair system is the popular system that crypto nation use especially if your business is a gambling sites .
I have explained extensively on why the wallet should not stay empty, we need to identify from who we received the transaction
You can't identify the person when he uses a mixing service or CoinJoin wallet.Our experience was on other projects, not cryptocurrency.
Have you implemented a provably fair system on your projects (Fintec and gaming)?You are correct regarding CoinJoin, we currently do not support this, but it is on the list of development, we will allow each user that would participate in the round to attach his desired wallet (for the prize). I will also update you regarding these wallets in the FAQ section.
We are already implementing the provably fair system, as soon it is up, I will send update the main post.
I have seen the platform and it is not bad, what I do not know very well is whether to completely trust random.org, haven't you tried to try Provably Fair? it is better since it has the best acceptance within the forum, remember that here reputation represents practically everything, and there are many famous sites that use it and everything is going well.
You say that the players are friends and family, well if we trust your goodwill, what times are they available? 24 hours is impossible, do they also have some bots? for the platform to move?
You say that the players are friends and family, well if we trust your goodwill, what times are they available? 24 hours is impossible, do they also have some bots? for the platform to move?
You are correct, we are currently working on a Provably Fair mechanism, I hope by next week we will have the full process so you can actually see the verification was done. We did some research, and random.org is a solid service when you are using their api to Draw a random winner (again, we will have a full description coming next week, in the meantime, we already updated FAQ on the website)
I think that when they integrate Provably Fair it will be all different, random.org may be solid but here in the forum when there is some uncertainty about the systems it is better to take it into account since experience is what determines. The improvements in the platform will represent success in the near future, in addition to entering the world of gambling on the right foot at this time is a golden opportunity because of how the Bitcoin market is.
I have seen the platform and it is not bad, what I do not know very well is whether to completely trust random.org, haven't you tried to try Provably Fair? it is better since it has the best acceptance within the forum, remember that here reputation represents practically everything, and there are many famous sites that use it and everything is going well.
You say that the players are friends and family, well if we trust your goodwill, what times are they available? 24 hours is impossible, do they also have some bots? for the platform to move?
You say that the players are friends and family, well if we trust your goodwill, what times are they available? 24 hours is impossible, do they also have some bots? for the platform to move?
You are correct, we are currently working on a Provably Fair mechanism, I hope by next week we will have the full process so you can actually see the verification was done. We did some research, and random.org is a solid service when you are using their api to Draw a random winner (again, we will have a full description coming next week, in the meantime, we already updated FAQ on the website)
Can anyone suggest on the "ability to verify that your game is provably fair", currently working on that. Maybe some preferred methods
You can start by reading how it works on Wikipedia, but most casinos are probably using some open source algorithms or blockchain hashing for that purpose.
Checking links in references will also help:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provably_fair_algorithm
Here is one more interesting source of information:
https://bitvegas.com/crypto-casino-guide/provably-fair-gambling/
Can anyone suggest on the "ability to verify that your game is provably fair", currently working on that. Maybe some preferred methods
@webtricks fully explains the gist on how one can identify the fairness of every roll and how does it happen under the hood. I am not just sure on how you can properly integrate the verification to your website but you can still have a rough idea about the program algorithm. You can also check other lotto based game to get the gist on how they applied in their site.[1] Do you verify every bet as a gambler? Provably Fair Guide.
Ps. Apologize for accusing you that you have copied your T&C, I just didn't know that such service exist.
I have explained extensively on why the wallet should not stay empty, we need to identify from who we received the transaction
You can't identify the person when he uses a mixing service or CoinJoin wallet.Our experience was on other projects, not cryptocurrency.
Have you implemented a provably fair system on your projects (Fintec and gaming)?
I have seen the platform and it is not bad, what I do not know very well is whether to completely trust random.org, haven't you tried to try Provably Fair? it is better since it has the best acceptance within the forum, remember that here reputation represents practically everything, and there are many famous sites that use it and everything is going well.
You say that the players are friends and family, well if we trust your goodwill, what times are they available? 24 hours is impossible, do they also have some bots? for the platform to move?
You say that the players are friends and family, well if we trust your goodwill, what times are they available? 24 hours is impossible, do they also have some bots? for the platform to move?
Can anyone suggest on the "ability to verify that your game is provably fair", currently working on that. Maybe some preferred methods
Q: Empty wallet questions
A: ~Snipped~
You made a perfectly valid point when it comes to dealing with change addresses, outputs and multiple inputs from different addresses but perhaps you should reconsider the registration part [it doesn't have to ask for a lot of things to expose someone else's identity] while adding few more steps to ensure others could easily understand your rules...A: ~Snipped~
Steps:
1. Generate unique addresses for each user as opposed to unique addresses for each round.
2. A simple registration process [or just a way to submit some information] that would allow each user to include their transaction ID [based on unique deposit addresses] + a return address in case they become the winner of the round.
- As long as you're able to temporarily save such information in the database [until each round is done and dusted], it doesn't even have to ask for emails or other sensitive things.
We wanted to avoid registration at this point, because it's another step in the process, we specifically wanted to get rid of it in order to simplify the process. it is much quicker to enter the pot without it, you just deposit and your in, and there are 2 simple rules to follow. In addition to registration, the user will still have to attach his transaction to his account.
The drawback of this type of mechanism; the entire jackpot will be spread across a large number of wallets, this means that the jackpot for the winner will have to be transferred from each wallet separately, which means that a commission must be paid for each transaction. Now imagine that 20 people took part in the jackpot, the entire jackpot is stored in 20 different wallets, and in order to pay the winner his prize, you will have to make 20 different transactions.
Another factor is gas price, it sometimes gets very high +- $ 30 per transaction, the winner will lose 600$ from the jackpot. This is a high amount and many people would be deterred from participating if they see that deduction.
Nevertheless, we will, of course, consider implementing this at a later stage when gain more users and the pots will be extensively bigger.
Q: Empty wallet questions
A: ~Snipped~
You made a perfectly valid point when it comes to dealing with change addresses, outputs and multiple inputs from different addresses but perhaps you should reconsider the registration part [it doesn't have to ask for a lot of things to expose someone else's identity] while adding few more steps to ensure others could easily understand your rules...A: ~Snipped~
Steps:
1. Generate unique addresses for each user as opposed to unique addresses for each round.
2. A simple registration process [or just a way to submit some information] that would allow each user to include their transaction ID [based on unique deposit addresses] + a return address in case they become the winner of the round.
- As long as you're able to temporarily save such information in the database [until each round is done and dusted], it doesn't even have to ask for emails or other sensitive things.
A: Regarding random.org
Thank you for your question, we have just launched this project with minimal investment and are testing the interest to this service.
We are indeed using the random.org platform through the official open api to select the winner. We still didn’t implement a tool for transparency, we wanted to get your feedback faster.
Thank you for your question, we have just launched this project with minimal investment and are testing the interest to this service.
We are indeed using the random.org platform through the official open api to select the winner. We still didn’t implement a tool for transparency, we wanted to get your feedback faster.
You should first understand the importance of true randomness and ability to verify that your game is provably fair, and I don't think using random.org and manually entering values is good enough.
It is understandable that you are just testing stuff and interest of people, but it would be much better to first use Bitcoin testnet or maybe even Lightning Network with smaller amounts until you make some improvements.
We saw many fishy games and fake btc doubler websites that people are suspecting every new website is a scam, and I am not saying your website is that, but people are just not willing to spend their bitcoins on some risky testing game website.
That is just my 2 satoshis.
Thank you for your feedback! I sincerely thought that random.org would address true randomness. Now I understand that people have issues with it, I will update on this on the upcoming days. I just want to clarify that we tested with testnet before the actual release, the system is fully operational, I invite you all to our channel (https://t.me/joinchat/TTqvJi9w8UejBv9-) to how it's working now, you don't even have to participate. I understand there were a lot of scams, I am here to convince you otherwise. Join the channel and see how it's working.
I have seen some previous rounds on your site. Does it mean, there are real players before or those are your test rounds? You have to understand that players here are more careful because we have seen a lot of projects trying to screw naive players even with this randomness stuffs. If you want to stay in the game, you will listen what others are saying here. But of course, weight your options as well. It will take time to earn credibility and trust.
Also, what is the minimum number of transactions for a specific round to go thru?
Even though he would deny it then we cant still prove out if those are actual players.
As I wrote, real rounds, the players are friends and family
A: Regarding random.org
Thank you for your question, we have just launched this project with minimal investment and are testing the interest to this service.
We are indeed using the random.org platform through the official open api to select the winner. We still didn’t implement a tool for transparency, we wanted to get your feedback faster.
Thank you for your question, we have just launched this project with minimal investment and are testing the interest to this service.
We are indeed using the random.org platform through the official open api to select the winner. We still didn’t implement a tool for transparency, we wanted to get your feedback faster.
You should first understand the importance of true randomness and ability to verify that your game is provably fair, and I don't think using random.org and manually entering values is good enough.
It is understandable that you are just testing stuff and interest of people, but it would be much better to first use Bitcoin testnet or maybe even Lightning Network with smaller amounts until you make some improvements.
We saw many fishy games and fake btc doubler websites that people are suspecting every new website is a scam, and I am not saying your website is that, but people are just not willing to spend their bitcoins on some risky testing game website.
That is just my 2 satoshis.
Thank you for your feedback! I sincerely thought that random.org would address true randomness. Now I understand that people have issues with it, I will update on this on the upcoming days. I just want to clarify that we tested with testnet before the actual release, the system is fully operational, I invite you all to our channel (https://t.me/joinchat/TTqvJi9w8UejBv9-) to how it's working now, you don't even have to participate. I understand there were a lot of scams, I am here to convince you otherwise. Join the channel and see how it's working.
I have seen some previous rounds on your site. Does it mean, there are real players before or those are your test rounds? You have to understand that players here are more careful because we have seen a lot of projects trying to screw naive players even with this randomness stuffs. If you want to stay in the game, you will listen what others are saying here. But of course, weigh your options as well. It will take time to earn credibility and trust.
Also, what is the minimum number of transactions for a specific round to go thru?
The transactions on the transactions page are real, we gave the website to friends and family and ran some rounds. For the round to draw a lucky winner we need at least 2 transactions. If someone deposited and there only 1 transaction, the round will stay open for another 24 hours with that transaction of course.
I'm not familiar with such service but do you think that such service will give exactly the same words/sentences for different sites/projects?
That's possible, IMHO most of those services will give the same sentences depend on your configuration when generating it.I've been trying to look for which service might they are used, it seems they generate it through https://getterms.io
I also try to generate it by myself (with random configuration) through that service and as you can see below it was completely same
I also doubt if this site uses such service, they claim to be a 15 years experienced group of people in this field so I have high doubt that experienced people will use such service as they should be able to create it themselves easily.
To be honest they experiences are questionable since this field still related to financial problems and gaming experiences nevertheless they are not able to create their own policies. 
A: Regarding random.org
Thank you for your question, we have just launched this project with minimal investment and are testing the interest to this service.
We are indeed using the random.org platform through the official open api to select the winner. We still didn’t implement a tool for transparency, we wanted to get your feedback faster.
Thank you for your question, we have just launched this project with minimal investment and are testing the interest to this service.
We are indeed using the random.org platform through the official open api to select the winner. We still didn’t implement a tool for transparency, we wanted to get your feedback faster.
You should first understand the importance of true randomness and ability to verify that your game is provably fair, and I don't think using random.org and manually entering values is good enough.
It is understandable that you are just testing stuff and interest of people, but it would be much better to first use Bitcoin testnet or maybe even Lightning Network with smaller amounts until you make some improvements.
We saw many fishy games and fake btc doubler websites that people are suspecting every new website is a scam, and I am not saying your website is that, but people are just not willing to spend their bitcoins on some risky testing game website.
That is just my 2 satoshis.
Thank you for your feedback! I sincerely thought that random.org would address true randomness. Now I understand that people have issues with it, I will update on this on the upcoming days. I just want to clarify that we tested with testnet before the actual release, the system is fully operational, I invite you all to our channel (https://t.me/joinchat/TTqvJi9w8UejBv9-) to how it's working now, you don't even have to participate. I understand there were a lot of scams, I am here to convince you otherwise. Join the channel and see how it's working.
I have seen some previous rounds on your site. Does it mean, there are real players before or those are your test rounds? You have to understand that players here are more careful because we have seen a lot of projects trying to screw naive players even with this randomness stuffs. If you want to stay in the game, you will listen what others are saying here. But of course, weight your options as well. It will take time to earn credibility and trust.
Also, what is the minimum number of transactions for a specific round to go thru?
Even though he would deny it then we cant still prove out if those are actual players.
A: Regarding random.org
Thank you for your question, we have just launched this project with minimal investment and are testing the interest to this service.
We are indeed using the random.org platform through the official open api to select the winner. We still didn’t implement a tool for transparency, we wanted to get your feedback faster.
Thank you for your question, we have just launched this project with minimal investment and are testing the interest to this service.
We are indeed using the random.org platform through the official open api to select the winner. We still didn’t implement a tool for transparency, we wanted to get your feedback faster.
You should first understand the importance of true randomness and ability to verify that your game is provably fair, and I don't think using random.org and manually entering values is good enough.
It is understandable that you are just testing stuff and interest of people, but it would be much better to first use Bitcoin testnet or maybe even Lightning Network with smaller amounts until you make some improvements.
We saw many fishy games and fake btc doubler websites that people are suspecting every new website is a scam, and I am not saying your website is that, but people are just not willing to spend their bitcoins on some risky testing game website.
That is just my 2 satoshis.
Thank you for your feedback! I sincerely thought that random.org would address true randomness. Now I understand that people have issues with it, I will update on this on the upcoming days. I just want to clarify that we tested with testnet before the actual release, the system is fully operational, I invite you all to our channel (https://t.me/joinchat/TTqvJi9w8UejBv9-) to how it's working now, you don't even have to participate. I understand there were a lot of scams, I am here to convince you otherwise. Join the channel and see how it's working.
I have seen some previous rounds on your site. Does it mean, there are real players before or those are your test rounds? You have to understand that players here are more careful because we have seen a lot of projects trying to screw naive players even with this randomness stuffs. If you want to stay in the game, you will listen what others are saying here. But of course, weigh your options as well. It will take time to earn credibility and trust.
Also, what is the minimum number of transactions for a specific round to go thru?
A: Regarding random.org
Thank you for your question, we have just launched this project with minimal investment and are testing the interest to this service.
We are indeed using the random.org platform through the official open api to select the winner. We still didn’t implement a tool for transparency, we wanted to get your feedback faster.
Thank you for your question, we have just launched this project with minimal investment and are testing the interest to this service.
We are indeed using the random.org platform through the official open api to select the winner. We still didn’t implement a tool for transparency, we wanted to get your feedback faster.
You should first understand the importance of true randomness and ability to verify that your game is provably fair, and I don't think using random.org and manually entering values is good enough.
It is understandable that you are just testing stuff and interest of people, but it would be much better to first use Bitcoin testnet or maybe even Lightning Network with smaller amounts until you make some improvements.
We saw many fishy games and fake btc doubler websites that people are suspecting every new website is a scam, and I am not saying your website is that, but people are just not willing to spend their bitcoins on some risky testing game website.
That is just my 2 satoshis.
Thank you for your feedback! I sincerely thought that random.org would address true randomness. Now I understand that people have issues with it, I will update on this on the upcoming days. I just want to clarify that we tested with testnet before the actual release, the system is fully operational, I invite you all to our channel (https://t.me/joinchat/TTqvJi9w8UejBv9-) to how it's working now, you don't even have to participate. I understand there were a lot of scams, I am here to convince you otherwise. Join the channel and see how it's working.
A: Regarding random.org
Thank you for your question, we have just launched this project with minimal investment and are testing the interest to this service.
We are indeed using the random.org platform through the official open api to select the winner. We still didn’t implement a tool for transparency, we wanted to get your feedback faster.
Thank you for your question, we have just launched this project with minimal investment and are testing the interest to this service.
We are indeed using the random.org platform through the official open api to select the winner. We still didn’t implement a tool for transparency, we wanted to get your feedback faster.
You should first understand the importance of true randomness and ability to verify that your game is provably fair, and I don't think using random.org and manually entering values is good enough.
It is understandable that you are just testing stuff and interest of people, but it would be much better to first use Bitcoin testnet or maybe even Lightning Network with smaller amounts until you make some improvements.
We saw many fishy games and fake btc doubler websites that people are suspecting every new website is a scam, and I am not saying your website is that, but people are just not willing to spend their bitcoins on some risky testing game website.
That is just my 2 satoshis.
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