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I will return to you within 48 hours with a similar 48h demand. Let us dance. Prepare for a rough ride.
Every time I hear this fucking-shit, a tear comes to my eye:
There will be a stream of tears for you directly or indirectly in any case, so keep those ducts clean and clear.
Deus vult.
-F
I will return to you within 48 hours with a similar 48h demand. Let us dance. Prepare for a rough ride.
Every time I hear this fucking-shit, a tear comes to my eye:
How long until reptilian's coins confiscated?
I think his assets should be sold, and the M used to either pay debts and/or pay for further development to make CK great again.
Why not both? Debts first, better/more development second.
The first course of action, that hopefully Gringotts will help facilitate, is establishing a going rate for M that could then be used to liquidate Zech's currently unrighteous holdings. If 1 trillion M would go for 1000BTC there would be enough to settle the debt and have some left over to jumpstart development, sort out all of the (many) loose threads in the platform and maybe actually make CK stop being shit pretty quickly.
The reintroduction of so much currency into the market will surely make things interesting for a while as well...
Then you try doing it and you see just how much value was really lost from these few months of crazy and stupidity and sob when you see that $million holdings are now worth $100.
The only way there can be any resolution to this situation through just liquidating M is if M is worth reasonably close or more than what it was worth when the mass withdrawal occurred, and the only way for that to happen is if people reinvest in the game and participate in its market.
If you have value tied in the game right now, the success of the new depositories is pivotal in recovering that value, along with an increase in game trust and solid development direction and progress. Right now, with current levels of activity, involvement, progress and funds in the market... I find that happening hard to believe. I do think it is possible and even likely that it would work, but only if enough people want it to and spend actual effort and resources towards that end.
You can all make a difference if you want to, but the game right now is still in a state of disarray. Lack of direction, no cohesive strategy, illiquid markets, dysfunctional systems, minimal player activity, unproductive development... These are the things really holding CK back right now, not Risto's debt. Solve these and you create easy ways to solve Risto's clusterfuck as well.
At the same time, the game still holds extraordinary value in its potential and the things that do work. Instant transfer of value, long-term assets and holdings, interesting market dynamics, economics, possibility for complex roleplaying and historical simulation, etc. These matters made CK valuable, desirable and worth investing in.
They are still here.
The only things that may be missing now that were present through-out CK's history are abstract matters: trust and promise. These matters have had quite a bit to do with Risto in the past, but they aren't his monopoly. CK is more than Risto. CK is a collective effort that can, and in my opinion, has already moved on and is recovering. If we work collectively and more people take action the trust will be regained, the promise will shine again, and CK's quality and value will grow once more, perhaps much further than before.
Crying over spilled milk and sitting on your thumbs won't do that.
So... help make CK great. Not again, because it's always been shit, it's no less shit now than it was a year ago, but it could be not shit if its potential and direction were properly managed.
Restricted attribute. I know who my biggest fan is, and don't forget things. Certain darknesspeople were informed yesterday about the 48 hours they still have for wising up, lest the shit may abruptly hit their fan, so let's all pray that the people involved find the right course of action.
Child, I unconditionally reject all the said, tantrum-driven demands of yours with the hilarious 48 hour constraint. You will from now on speak only when I allow you to, lest you willfully accept the consequences.
Tell you what, cards are on the table. I am looking at double aces, and my pockets are full of chips. Count yours well, because you are about to go all-in without checking your hand first, inspecting the table or counting your chips. You are meddling with what you don't have the muscle for, even if your current reckless and desperate actions would succeed. The hour glass counts every grain of yours; Malla is right now the Sodom, and your cretinist mind is the Gomorra. I suggest you consult the scriptures well, especially what Solomon wrote before his eventual departure from grace (Proverbs, but with a focus on Ecclesiastes).
I will return to you within 48 hours with a similar 48h demand. Let us dance. Prepare for a rough ride.
-F
How long until reptilian's coins confiscated?
^ THIS, it's time for an ultimatum, whether you think rpietila is mad, scammer, victim, or a divine being, this impasse can't go on much longer.
I say it's time for M holders to vote on what to do with rpietila and his CK assets.
I think his assets should be sold, and the M used to either pay debts and/or pay for further development to make CK great again.
I agree, time for a vote.
I would like creditors to give risto some option to pay later when ck MK is higher so he can resume control of his player accounts, as I think his involvement as a non-admin non-GM player adds a lot of depth, now that he's the bad guy with +50% of in-game wealth, and if he comes back we're almost certain to get a WAR, which would be awesome for everyone. But, if that's not going to happen, then boot him out NOW, and let's get on with the game. Treading water like this can't go on forever.
How long until reptilian's coins confiscated?
^ THIS, it's time for an ultimatum, whether you think rpietila is mad, scammer, victim, or a divine being, this impasse can't go on much longer.
I say it's time for M holders to vote on what to do with rpietila and his CK assets.
I think his assets should be sold, and the M used to either pay debts and/or pay for further development to make CK great again.
One small thought:
On technicality, CK as a company was liquidated the day all shares were bought out for a currency that we all accepted as payment, and one could take the stance that having 55% of all euros doesn't entitle one to ownership of the eu.
Furthermore, the consequent deletion of the Constitution posts from the thread could indicate that this was indeed the intent.
As such, we seemingly have been operating as an unratified confederation until and following this moment in time, with no official bylaws or Constitution.
On technicality, CK as a company was liquidated the day all shares were bought out for a currency that we all accepted as payment, and one could take the stance that having 55% of all euros doesn't entitle one to ownership of the eu.
Furthermore, the consequent deletion of the Constitution posts from the thread could indicate that this was indeed the intent.
As such, we seemingly have been operating as an unratified confederation until and following this moment in time, with no official bylaws or Constitution.
smooth: notice to leave my thread as per rules of the forum.
Noted, and also reported on the existing scam accusation thread which contains the actual facts, documented with quoted references and a careful and accurate accounting of the 500+ BTC scammed by you.
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No. I got again disappointed that even most of CK, STILL, does not understand anything.
We understand. That you failed to cover your deposits into the game (fractional reserve scam), lost due to poor trading, and then skipped out on your debts (non payment scam), and are now attempting to rope in new victims by banning criticism from your "new" game thread (self moderated thread scam).
smooth: notice to leave my thread as per rules of the forum.
others: eagerly awaiting the Scam accusation thread with an element of sticking to the actual facts... won't hold my breath though
others: eagerly awaiting the Scam accusation thread with an element of sticking to the actual facts... won't hold my breath though
Seriously man ... did you lose your mind?
No. I got again disappointed that even most of CK, STILL, does not understand anything.
But hell, nobody's gonna die trying. Especially ME.
smooth: notice to leave my thread as per rules of the forum.
others: eagerly awaiting the Scam accusation thread with an element of sticking to the actual facts... won't hold my breath though
others: eagerly awaiting the Scam accusation thread with an element of sticking to the actual facts... won't hold my breath though
Seriously man ... did you lose your mind?
smooth: notice to leave my thread as per rules of the forum.
others: eagerly awaiting the Scam accusation thread with an element of sticking to the actual facts... won't hold my breath though
others: eagerly awaiting the Scam accusation thread with an element of sticking to the actual facts... won't hold my breath though
Nested spam attack ... and so it begins!
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Discussion deleted by the deadbeat scammer from the one of his self-moderated threads
It depends, does the game have any actual value?
Because if the plan is for the game to derive value primarily from his participation, I'd question whether his participation is just an excuse to fuck over people for his own amusement/gain again, and that isn't something I'd want to be a part of, even if it did offer some potential for a recovery (i.e. at the expense of passing the baton to the next set of victims)
If the game is to have value without relying on His Highness's unreliable and untrustworthy participation, then a reasonable in-game adjudication in light of his behavior is to transfer his in-game assets to creditors anyway (or liquidate them and transfer the proceeds).
I'm neutral on whether there is enough outside interest in the game for it to ever regain value. But I don't see that hinging on whether he participates or not. If it can succeed, it can succeed without him as easily (and at this point, perhaps more easily) as with him.
Then again, i'm one of the smallest creditors. I'm content to carry the debt indefinitely knowing that he scammed me (and my managed player) and conveying that accurate information to anyone who has an interest in knowing it. Others may be more overextended and willing to undertake desperate or even misguided measures to recover something.
As he owns 50% of M, if he doesn't pay and creditors seize his M, what happens then? At least giving him time to pay encourages him to stop damaging the game further.
It depends, does the game have any actual value?
Because if the plan is for the game to derive value primarily from his participation, I'd question whether his participation is just an excuse to fuck over people for his own amusement/gain again, and that isn't something I'd want to be a part of, even if it did offer some potential for a recovery (i.e. at the expense of passing the baton to the next set of victims)
If the game is to have value without relying on His Highness's unreliable and untrustworthy participation, then a reasonable in-game adjudication in light of his behavior is to transfer his in-game assets to creditors anyway (or liquidate them and transfer the proceeds).
I'm neutral on whether there is enough outside interest in the game for it to ever regain value. But I don't see that hinging on whether he participates or not. If it can succeed, it can succeed without him as easily (and at this point, perhaps more easily) as with him.
Then again, i'm one of the smallest creditors. I'm content to carry the debt indefinitely knowing that he scammed me (and my managed player) and conveying that accurate information to anyone who has an interest in knowing it. Others may be more overextended and willing to undertake desperate or even misguided measures to recover something.
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Discussion deleted by the deadbeat scammer from the one of his self-moderated threads
It depends, does the game have any actual value?
Because if the plan is for the game to derive value primarily from his participation, I'd question whether his participation is just an excuse to fuck over people for his own amusement/gain again, and that isn't something I'd want to be a part of, even if it did offer some potential for a recovery (i.e. at the expense of passing the baton to the next set of victims)
If the game is to have value without relying on His Highness's unreliable and untrustworthy participation, then a reasonable in-game adjudication in light of his behavior is to transfer his in-game assets to creditors anyway (or liquidate them and transfer the proceeds).
I'm neutral on whether there is enough outside interest in the game for it to ever regain value. But I don't see that hinging on whether he participates or not. If it can succeed, it can succeed without him as easily (and at this point, perhaps more easily) as with him.
Then again, i'm one of the smallest creditors. I'm content to carry the debt indefinitely knowing that he scammed me (and my managed player) and conveying that accurate information to anyone who has an interest in knowing it. Others may be more overextended and willing to undertake desperate or even misguided measures to recover something.
As he owns 50% of M, if he doesn't pay and creditors seize his M, what happens then? At least giving him time to pay encourages him to stop damaging the game further.
It depends, does the game have any actual value?
Because if the plan is for the game to derive value primarily from his participation, I'd question whether his participation is just an excuse to fuck over people for his own amusement/gain again, and that isn't something I'd want to be a part of, even if it did offer some potential for a recovery (i.e. at the expense of passing the baton to the next set of victims)
If the game is to have value without relying on His Highness's unreliable and untrustworthy participation, then a reasonable in-game adjudication in light of his behavior is to transfer his in-game assets to creditors anyway (or liquidate them and transfer the proceeds).
I'm neutral on whether there is enough outside interest in the game for it to ever regain value. But I don't see that hinging on whether he participates or not. If it can succeed, it can succeed without him as easily (and at this point, perhaps more easily) as with him.
Then again, i'm one of the smallest creditors. I'm content to carry the debt indefinitely knowing that he scammed me (and my managed player) and conveying that accurate information to anyone who has an interest in knowing it. Others may be more overextended and willing to undertake desperate or even misguided measures to recover something.
Discussion deleted by the deadbeat scammer from the one of his self-moderated threads
It depends, does the game have any actual value?
Because if the plan is for the game to derive value primarily from his participation, I'd question whether his participation is just an excuse to fuck over people for his own amusement/gain again, and that isn't something I'd want to be a part of, even if it did offer some potential for a recovery (i.e. at the expense of passing the baton to the next set of victims)
If the game is to have value without relying on His Highness's unreliable and untrustworthy participation, then a reasonable in-game adjudication in light of his behavior is to transfer his in-game assets to creditors anyway (or liquidate them and transfer the proceeds).
I'm neutral on whether there is enough outside interest in the game for it to ever regain value. But I don't see that hinging on whether he participates or not. If it can succeed, it can succeed without him as easily (and at this point, perhaps more easily) as with him.
Then again, i'm one of the smallest creditors. I'm content to carry the debt indefinitely knowing that he scammed me (and my managed player) and conveying that accurate information to anyone who has an interest in knowing it. Others may be more overextended and willing to undertake desperate or even misguided measures to recover something.
As he owns 50% of M, if he doesn't pay and creditors seize his M, what happens then? At least giving him time to pay encourages him to stop damaging the game further.
It depends, does the game have any actual value?
Because if the plan is for the game to derive value primarily from his participation, I'd question whether his participation is just an excuse to fuck over people for his own amusement/gain again, and that isn't something I'd want to be a part of, even if it did offer some potential for a recovery (i.e. at the expense of passing the baton to the next set of victims)
If the game is to have value without relying on His Highness's unreliable and untrustworthy participation, then a reasonable in-game adjudication in light of his behavior is to transfer his in-game assets to creditors anyway (or liquidate them and transfer the proceeds).
I'm neutral on whether there is enough outside interest in the game for it to ever regain value. But I don't see that hinging on whether he participates or not. If it can succeed, it can succeed without him as easily (and at this point, perhaps more easily) as with him.
Then again, i'm one of the smallest creditors. I'm content to carry the debt indefinitely knowing that he scammed me (and my managed player) and conveying that accurate information to anyone who has an interest in knowing it. Others may be more overextended and willing to undertake desperate or even misguided measures to recover something.
