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generalizethis

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Quote from: Scrotum on July 28, 2017, 01:13:52 AM

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CK Founding Document A.D. 1647 - Rules V.2.0 (working copy)

. Preamble

(edit the earlier "TOS" document)

I General Meeting

The General Meeting of CK holders is called, if:
- the Board so wishes, or
- the owners of 10% of the outstanding CK so demand from the Board for any reason. If the Board does not promptly respond with practical arrangements, it may be held nevertheless.

The General Meeting with its agenda must be announced 7 realdays in advance.

The General Meeting may:
- Change the Documents with a simple majority;
- Change the Founding Document with a 75% majority;
- Decide the number of Board members, which has to be 3-9;
- Appoint the Board members, so that each faction of votes gets to appoint members in proportion;
- Determine the compensation of Board members.

II Board

The Board determines the strategy and oversees the progress of CK project.

The Board may:
- Appoint a Chairman from among the members;
- Appoint a CEO and decide her compensation;
- Determine the CEO powers and responsibilities;
- Appoint a GM and decide her compensation;
- Determine the GM powers and responsibilities.

Someone please call for a General Meeting, get some people in positions, and start making CK great!

Without an exchange asset or deposhares, these would be unpaid positions, so doubtful there'd be any volunteers. Right now the admin/gm are working for free, but I doubt anyone would want to take on the ceo responsibility for free--though it would be welcome.

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CK Founding Document A.D. 1647 - Rules V.2.0 (working copy)

. Preamble

(edit the earlier "TOS" document)

I General Meeting

The General Meeting of CK holders is called, if:
- the Board so wishes, or
- the owners of 10% of the outstanding CK so demand from the Board for any reason. If the Board does not promptly respond with practical arrangements, it may be held nevertheless.

The General Meeting with its agenda must be announced 7 realdays in advance.

The General Meeting may:
- Change the Documents with a simple majority;
- Change the Founding Document with a 75% majority;
- Decide the number of Board members, which has to be 3-9;
- Appoint the Board members, so that each faction of votes gets to appoint members in proportion;
- Determine the compensation of Board members.

II Board

The Board determines the strategy and oversees the progress of CK project.

The Board may:
- Appoint a Chairman from among the members;
- Appoint a CEO and decide her compensation;
- Determine the CEO powers and responsibilities;
- Appoint a GM and decide her compensation;
- Determine the GM powers and responsibilities.

Someone please call for a General Meeting, get some people in positions, and start making CK great!

generalizethis

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generalizethis

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Facts are more efficient than fud

Quote from: generalizethis on July 27, 2017, 09:31:26 PM

Quote from: Zepher on July 27, 2017, 01:06:44 PM

Quote from: Hueristic on July 27, 2017, 12:50:45 PM

Quote from: Zepher on July 27, 2017, 12:46:32 PM

Okay, care to list who these scammers are who are now running the original game? Also, exactly why they are the scammers in this scenario? As I understand it, the majority (if not all) of those people invested money into a game where one rpietila caused the game to become a fractional reserve by injecting ~~money~~ a worthless token into it - ~~money~~ a token that was backed by absolutely nothing whatsoever and therefore just diluted everything. As a result, those people are now out of pocket to the tune of hundreds of Bitcoins. If I recall correctly, did he not inject something like €100M into the game?

I only see one scammer here.

He didn't inject money, he injected a worthless token he made up that didn't even have a blockchain and was backed by nothing and tried to shill it in the XMR threads. If you go back you will find me calling him out on it then and there, I'm assuming those in the game didn't call him out on it as they wanted to get what they could back before the house of cards came down. So basically he injected a worthless IOU.

Appreciate the correction

All I know about this game is what has been posted on the forum here in the scam section, I had not heard about it prior to that.

I used the wrong word when I said injecting "money", it should have been token as the word money would imply there was something backing it up, which we all know there isn't.

It has a use case in game (like any other game), the problem came when he tried to force an arbitrary euro peg--so don't try to characterize the players he fucked over as accomplices--as long as he was backing the deposhares with real euro and bitcoin, there was never a problem--he was literally telling us, "You'll be sorry if you don't trade your B1, E1 and M3 for M," and he did manage to back that claim up a few times by injecting fake b1 and e1 into the game and making those who cashed out look like they got out at a bad rate. I've always thought there should be an exchange asset, but when luigi created one, risto changed the ck asset to m (something I supported at the time without knowing that he would inflate the supply, so I thought it would be a simple 1ck=1m). He is very likely intentionally sabotaging the game, "why" is anyone's guess--though smooth can validate that in slack conversations he was threatening me with that action, because I wouldn't be bribed or bullied into playing the bad guy (this is around the time he started classifying me as dark in posts).

^^This is partly why we need an exchange asset. Many will never see game assets as valuable unless they are backed by a blockchain. And given the damage a terrible gm can have, do you really want your value hinged on their whims? Especially when a gm, who is acting as a player, may have an ax to grind and reduce your value based on their mood--there needs to be a way to lock in your hard work and be master of your own fate. Risto is continually showing us why we should have better protections.

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Quote from: rpietila on July 27, 2017, 03:20:32 AM

U sad for Rules to come back?? Don't worry, who was it again who said Constitution has no effect. . Grin

You get what u wanted, now prepare to get what I want, lizard.

What are you blabbering about? The rules were on a thread you created...or was that one of your other personalities?

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You CK guys are putin' on a great show, seriously thinking of signing up, can I still make money in CK? Crypto combat sports, with Pythonesque humour and madness,

'Wait, Is this the 5 min argument, or the full half hour?'

'WHAT ... I thought this was abuse!'

Do you do John Cleese's funny walks too?

Seriously, keep this up guys, most crypto coins are dull as doge shit these days

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U sad for Rules to come back?? Don't worry, who was it again who said Constitution has no effect. . Grin

You get what u wanted, now prepare to get what I want, lizard.

generalizethis

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Quote from: rpietila on July 27, 2017, 01:13:35 AM

Quote from: generalizethis on July 26, 2017, 10:49:42 AM

Quote from: rpietila on July 26, 2017, 10:22:13 AM

I do not have permission to undelete stuff.

blaming BCT admin is another pathetic attempt to shift blame for your actions.

No, the blame is on you, brownnose. See how quickly moderators act (deletion from this thread, despite the tired podiumtalk about non-moderation) when u ask. Then that sad nongrowth, smooth, chastises ME for taking out the shit of my own players by self-moderation.

MODS: PLEASE RETURN RULES (all deleted posts (Apr-2017)) TO THE THREAD: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16248889.

If nothing happens, it just serves as an additional lesson for those that still have hope. Seeing the perpetrators commit themselves to act of self-destruction would scarcely displease me more than seeing them alive.

Solution: "Cryptokingdom Uncensored Uncensored" otherwise known as Risto's Spam Corner

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Quote from: generalizethis on July 26, 2017, 10:49:42 AM

Quote from: rpietila on July 26, 2017, 10:22:13 AM

I do not have permission to undelete stuff.

blaming BCT admin is another pathetic attempt to shift blame for your actions.

No, the blame is on you, brownnose. See how quickly moderators act (deletion from this thread, despite the tired podiumtalk about non-moderation) when u ask. Then that sad nongrowth, smooth, chastises ME for taking out the shit of my own players by self-moderation.

MODS: PLEASE RETURN RULES (all deleted posts (Apr-2017)) TO THE THREAD: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16248889.

If nothing happens, it just serves as an additional lesson for those that still have hope. Seeing the perpetrators commit themselves to act of self-destruction would scarcely displease me more than seeing them alive.

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Quote from: Karl Hungus on July 25, 2017, 06:19:05 AM

Quote from: acdc on July 25, 2017, 04:59:32 AM

I thought Gringotts was going to start with deposits only, and freeze withdrawals until things improved ...

The final decision should be made by the depo manager, iluvbitcoins, but I am inclined to leave things up to the market now. I had thought that some form of money back guarantee would be needed to attract deposits, but hopefully the S-PT depositor incentives will do that, and if current confidence levels in the Game are such that new money coming in gets a bargain 'M' exchange rate from existing players exiting, so be it. Manipulating the market isn't good, so we might as well rip the band aide off quickly and establish the exchange rate and marketcap from the get-go. Some blood in the streets makes good buying opportunities for those willing to take a chance on the Game recovering. Gringotts wont start market making until we establish at least a ball-park exchange rate for M.

good idea to let the market decide, I'll be buying a few M

Best time to buy anything is at the bottom, most of my best crypto profits came from picking good coins at a bad time

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Quote from: rpietila on July 26, 2017, 09:41:00 AM

Quote from: boomboom on July 26, 2017, 09:12:16 AM

Any future decisions should be based on M holder democracy, so CK is like a DAO.

If the past decisions had been such achieved, CK would have a future...

This is true, but since you had more than 50% of M you would automatixally win any vote, and it was your b1 debt default and fractional reserve setup that caused the problem. In that situation you left people no alternative, either rise up and rebel against you, or watch the game get destroyed by lack of confidence in the asset values. After any coup the rebels can choose to hand power back to the people when the despot is overthrown.

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Quote from: goin2mars. on July 26, 2017, 10:14:33 AM

Quote from: boomboom on July 26, 2017, 09:12:16 AM

Quote from: goin2mars. on July 26, 2017, 04:30:35 AM

One small thought:

On technicality, CK as a company was liquidated the day all shares were bought out for a currency that we all accepted as payment, and one could take the stance that having 55% of all euros doesn't entitle one to ownership of the eu.

Furthermore, the consequent deletion of the Constitution posts from the thread could indicate that this was indeed the intent.

As such, we seemingly have been operating as an unratified confederation until and following this moment in time, with no official bylaws or Constitution.

CK is the database of numbers, and what they represent in the minds of the players. The software is open source, and I don't think there was ever a company. Any future decisions should be based on M holder democracy, so CK is like a DAO.

Before Risto got back, CK was the main ownership asset, and was not a currency. This, under the previous Constitution, was considered ownership of the game platform. it may be better to describe it as a DAO at any point in time, I don't know. But, markka was introduced to my understanding as a currency.

This currency was used to purchase all outstanding CK shares, which were then destroyed. The Constitution was said to be being rewritten, but was instead deleted along with many other posts. To my knowledge a new one was not ratified by anyone in regards to what markka even is, beyond a simple currency. As far as I understand, any previous Constitution was abolished the day CK was destroyed in total.

Moreover, I would expect a democratic union to require more than 51% agreement, but such a number was again never presented or ratified.

Yes, timeline was debt consoles and gold were combined into CK, then converted to M, so my assumption is voting rights went from gold to CK to M. It should be possible to write a new constituion, and I think 50% majority is enough to ratify. The alternative is modify the old one to take into account the obvious changes.

Main point is the authority in the game has gone from mostly risto, to M holders, and whoever they elect as office holders. That gives the game best chance to recover and grow IMHO.

generalizethis

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Quote from: rpietila on July 26, 2017, 11:14:20 AM

Quote from: generalizethis on July 26, 2017, 10:49:42 AM

Quote from: rpietila on July 26, 2017, 10:22:13 AM

Quote from: goin2mars. on July 26, 2017, 10:14:33 AM

The Constitution was said to be being rewritten, but was instead deleted along with many other posts.

You can not delete the Topic.

Whereas it is true that I deleted it, as part of waking uw up, it does not change the fact that I wanted it undeleted only a few days later.

The wish was presented to the global admins, who alone CAN do it.

I do not have permission to undelete stuff.

So, which one is in error? (The answer tells the essence of you of course)

You never should have deleted it in the first place--blaming BCT admin is another pathetic attempt to shift blame for your actions.

"If you do not pay back at least 10% of what you stole from me and Zechariah, you will surely die!"
- HH Grand Duke Paul of Soul to HEm David Cardinal Latapie, 2 months prior to the latter's death.

Man, you gotta wise up soon, please, and amend your thefts and sabotages.

You pussed out of battle, friend--you're lucky I didn't take moar. I also fined you for having books from the future--which any literature fan would applaud given your aim of realism for the other arts.

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Quote from: generalizethis on July 26, 2017, 10:49:42 AM

Quote from: rpietila on July 26, 2017, 10:22:13 AM

Quote from: goin2mars. on July 26, 2017, 10:14:33 AM

The Constitution was said to be being rewritten, but was instead deleted along with many other posts.

You can not delete the Topic.

Whereas it is true that I deleted it, as part of waking uw up, it does not change the fact that I wanted it undeleted only a few days later.

The wish was presented to the global admins, who alone CAN do it.

I do not have permission to undelete stuff.

So, which one is in error? (The answer tells the essence of you of course)

You never should have deleted it in the first place--blaming BCT admin is another pathetic attempt to shift blame for your actions.

"If you do not pay back at least 10% of what you stole from me and Zechariah, you will surely die!"
- HH Grand Duke Paul of Soul to HEm David Cardinal Latapie, 2 months prior to the latter's death.

Man, you gotta wise up soon, please, and amend your thefts and sabotages.

generalizethis

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Facts are more efficient than fud

Quote from: rpietila on July 26, 2017, 10:22:13 AM

Quote from: goin2mars. on July 26, 2017, 10:14:33 AM

The Constitution was said to be being rewritten, but was instead deleted along with many other posts.

You can not delete the Topic.

Whereas it is true that I deleted it, as part of waking uw up, it does not change the fact that I wanted it undeleted only a few days later.

The wish was presented to the global admins, who alone CAN do it.

I do not have permission to undelete stuff.

So, which one is in error? (The answer tells the essence of you of course)

You never should have deleted it in the first place--blaming BCT admin is another pathetic attempt to shift blame for your actions.

rpietila

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Quote from: goin2mars. on July 26, 2017, 10:14:33 AM

The Constitution was said to be being rewritten, but was instead deleted along with many other posts.

You can not delete the Topic.

Whereas it is true that I deleted it, as part of waking uw up, it does not change the fact that I wanted it undeleted only a few days later.

The wish was presented to the global admins, who alone CAN do it.

I do not have permission to undelete stuff.

So, which one is in error? (The answer tells the essence of you of course)

goin2mars.

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Quote from: boomboom on July 26, 2017, 09:12:16 AM

Quote from: goin2mars. on July 26, 2017, 04:30:35 AM

One small thought:

On technicality, CK as a company was liquidated the day all shares were bought out for a currency that we all accepted as payment, and one could take the stance that having 55% of all euros doesn't entitle one to ownership of the eu.

Furthermore, the consequent deletion of the Constitution posts from the thread could indicate that this was indeed the intent.

As such, we seemingly have been operating as an unratified confederation until and following this moment in time, with no official bylaws or Constitution.

CK is the database of numbers, and what they represent in the minds of the players. The software is open source, and I don't think there was ever a company. Any future decisions should be based on M holder democracy, so CK is like a DAO.

Before Risto got back, CK was the main ownership asset, and was not a currency. This, under the previous Constitution, was considered ownership of the game platform. it may be better to describe it as a DAO at any point in time, I don't know. But, markka was introduced to my understanding as a currency.

This currency was used to purchase all outstanding CK shares, which were then destroyed. The Constitution was said to be being rewritten, but was instead deleted along with many other posts. To my knowledge a new one was not ratified by anyone in regards to what markka even is, beyond a simple currency. As far as I understand, any previous Constitution was abolished the day CK was destroyed in total.

Moreover, I would expect a democratic union to require more than 51% agreement, but such a number was again never presented or ratified.

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Quote from: rpietila on July 26, 2017, 09:41:00 AM

Quote from: boomboom on July 26, 2017, 09:12:16 AM

Any future decisions should be based on M holder democracy, so CK is like a DAO.

If the past decisions had been such achieved, CK would have a future...

You couldn't even figure out why dice rolls behind closed doors were sketchy--now you're claiming you designed a dao? Dude, your past decisions add up to an over-bearing scammer who thought he could bully everyone to accepting an artificial euro peg (after failing to create new users in proportion to the monero rise and then running off to create the great markka fail)--that's who you are, that's your legacy--own it and stop trying to rewrite it.

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Quote from: boomboom on July 26, 2017, 09:12:16 AM

Any future decisions should be based on M holder democracy, so CK is like a DAO.

If the past decisions had been such achieved, CK would have a future...

But whatever, my kindness is just heaping coal upon the rebels.

In the end, all enemies are converted (or enjoy the Central Sun, their choice). Darkness existing is a proof that it's not the end.

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Quote from: goin2mars. on July 26, 2017, 04:30:35 AM

One small thought:

On technicality, CK as a company was liquidated the day all shares were bought out for a currency that we all accepted as payment, and one could take the stance that having 55% of all euros doesn't entitle one to ownership of the eu.

Furthermore, the consequent deletion of the Constitution posts from the thread could indicate that this was indeed the intent.

As such, we seemingly have been operating as an unratified confederation until and following this moment in time, with no official bylaws or Constitution.

CK is the database of numbers, and what they represent in the minds of the players. The software is open source, and I don't think there was ever a company. Any future decisions should be based on M holder democracy, so CK is like a DAO.

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