Topic: CryptoKingdom Uncensored - page 36. (Read 69696 times)

Yes, ARDR child chain has security from the main parent chain, and afaik the child chain is highly configurable,  and it's even possible to have zero fees, with the bundler fees (the fee for writing child chain hashes to the main ARDR chain) paid by the child chain admin (I.e CK Game itself), so trading on the blockchain would be slow but free.

IMO it's actually better to replicate the existing user experience for most crypto trading where people keep majority of their coins in private wallets,  and deposit to centralised exchanges for trading, and withdraw bulk of coins back to their own wallet when finished, so I think keeping the current centralized Agora exchange for faster Game items trading is optimal.

I suggest first stage of conversion (after the vote) would be create the child chain with all the 'new M' in a CK genesis account, then current players would create an account on the child chain, and then on existing CK they would send all their 'old M' to 'new' with comment that included their [child chain account], and then the equivalent amount of 'new M' would be sent to their Ardr child chain account from the CK genesis account.

Then PJ would just need to establish deposit/withdrawal functions between the child chain blockchain, and the existing Agora DB. That would be enough for stage 1, and it would allow many existing exchanges to list CK's currency, as many currently list NXT. Technically this would be pretty straight forward.

Stage 2 could then have child chain assets created for CK items, and then a similar swap procedure could be done so players converted Agora DB items into child chain assets, and then deposit/withdraw functions between the child chain and Agora get added, so players can deposit into Agora centralised exchange for fast trading when they desire.

People familiar with NXT will know trading is possible for NXT assets on the decentralised asset ezchange, but it's slow, so most NXT asset trading happens on centralised exchanges like poloniex and bittrex that have faster trade engines. If CK moved to Ardr it could replicate this user experience.

Edit, I think 3rd party exchanges like polo and bittrex would only be interested in listing M, and maybe high volume items like CAN and 100 CKG bars, not enough volume even if CK had 1000's of players. Speculators would buy M, and maybe CAN and CKG, so 99% of trading would still be on Agora, BUT, speculators could still take a position in CK buying M on big exchanges like poloniex and bittrex without having to register as a player.

When we get markka on a blockchain, there should be a depository working like that of XMR when it was the game currency.

So you can withdraw markka to your own wallet or other exchange and deposit back to the game. The problem I see here is the network security.

This could be solved using an ARDR child chain as proposed by boomboom. This way the child chain security is taken care of by the ARDR parent chain.

I agree with the idea of putting the Markka(M) currency on a blockchain,but before we vote we need to know exactly how this is going to work. Will we keep our M balances on CK or they will be erased and credit us instead with "Markka" assets on a ratio 1:1 or 1:2,etc..? And how the trading of in-game items will work after this transition?

I will, the leg work is really just call for a vote of M holders.

I could offer a bounty, but without permission from the owners of the game it's not going to achieve anything.


I hereby call for a vote from M holders to consider option of putting M on a blockchain, do we have 10% of M owners willing to call for a General Meeting to discuss possible options, and a possible vote?

Boomboom (or guy who agrees with loaf a lot), feel free to create that bounty or do the leg work to get it done.

I can't see anyway to put a CK token on an exchange that doesn't require moving the whole supply of whatever token is chosen to some form of blockchain first. Sure, plenty of enterprising people have used blockchain assets to create individual IOU tokens, and some might be possible to list on an exchange, but that isn't really decentralised imo.

For example, plenty of people have used NXT to re-issue ICO tokens before the ICO tokens are actually distributed, so users with good reputation create a NXT asset which acts as an IOU for something like IOTA, or NEM back in the day, and then a secondary market can establish itself before the actual ICO token itself is launched. Shonky operations like yobit do that stuff all the time, BUT, they're not crypto tokens, they're IOU's, and only as good as the rep of the person who issues them.

To claim HMC's bounty I can create a NXT asset or ERC-20 token, and then offer to buy CKG from players, and then issue those players my token on whatever platform I use, and maybe if I paid Yobit I could get it listed on their exchange, BUT, that doesn't achieve much, not compared to the 'CKGame' itself putting the whole currency M on a blockchain, and then getting that listed on many exchanges.

A player backed IOU doesn't need to get approved by community in a vote, but it pretty useless, and isn't a crypto token backed by a blockchain. I say go the full monty, change the CK monetary system and put M on a blockchain, and get that listed on an exchange, backed by The CK Game. To do that probably needs a vote, coz it's a big change, but well worth the effort.

Yes, any of those listed would be fine.

You've done nothing--so the idea that you get to tell anyone what is best for the game is repugnant. As an example: this is mostly an economic game and you were a CEO of a Window company, but couldn't even figure out how to make a window--even after I came up with a way to build windows, you were still too lazy to do so. Why are you playing at all? Your only strategy has to buy everything (without even doing cost analysis) and hope that others build the game for you to profit.

Put up a bounty for what you want, develop it yourself or stfu.

I've told HMC the exact same thing in bold. Waiting for "put up or shut up" from him in regard to your post. Sucks, but we barely had a game before and we have even less of a game now, so I'd say a token alone won't do anything. Anyway, I'm sure we'll get around to making a token when there are only 3 players left and we'll get around to actually making a game when there is 1 player left...

Good discussion, but I agree with the comment that the community needs to agree to this, so a vote needs to happen before a major change like this could be implemented. Ardor would be a good option, but a major undertaking. Another intermediate option could be ERC-20 token for 'M' only. Either way, good discussion to continue, CK without some blockchain token to trade on exchanges is a real pita!

Can I ask you what do you mean by "on a reputable exchange"? I know poloniex and bittrex are between the most popular ones,but do you consider c-cex,cryptopia or yobit reputable? It shouldn't be a very hard thing to get listed on these last ones(just paying a fee)..

Adding 100 Moneroj (XMR)  to the Bounty.