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Where is the evidence linking founders of Cryptopia with Unnamed Exchange?

I previously advised users to stay away from anonymous exchanges including unnamed.exchange too because one thing is almost certain all anonymous exchanges where the owners details are hidden will eventually inevitably steal from those users gullible enough to believe them.

Quote from: digit on September 18, 2020, 12:30:04 AM

still with the don't know how it was hacked story (does any of them investigate it now? did they ever?).

TillKoeln of unnamed.exchange posts above it can be used for the return of funds, and its known that this exchange is created by one of the cryptopia founders saddam213 aka chainstack.
Does Grant Thornton consider them a suspect in the hack? If he is not a suspect then he should be employed by them to fix this mess, not new hires who waste time learning how it all works and may introduce a new risk of theft or loss.
Unnnamed.exchange must be capable to handing a wallet reconciliation process or the unnamed.exchange would not have been around for over a year now with their wallets running and exchange unhacked.
but really any exchange that already has shown it handles a variety of altcoins and tokens would be capable of integrating the wallets and database, so liquidators could choose to contract it out to a suitable cryptocurrency exchange instead of wasting more time and money to reinvent the wheel here Huh

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Quote from: guigui371 on September 17, 2020, 07:54:35 PM

New update from liquidator :

https://www.grantthornton.co.nz/Update-for-Cryptopia-account-holders-18-September-2020/

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When can I get my coins back?
The expectation is the claims process will open by the end of the year with the AML to follow this. Once these two phases are complete, we expect the repatriation process to follow. It is important to note that:

We have to establish a claims process and cannot just open up the Cryptopia exchange: the exchange was hacked prior to the liquidation. With the source of the hack still not identified we cannot open up an exchange that has been compromised
We have to complete the reconciliation process: this includes re-establishing coins in a non-hacked environment and then reconciling coin balances to the customer database. With over 900,000 active customers and up to 900 different coins, this is not a quick process
We will likely need to go back to court to seek further directions in respect of the distribution process including AML requirements. As liquidators, we need to follow the laws in New Zealand and cannot just return coins to account holders without completing appropriate KYC procedures

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Are you selling my coins to fund the Liquidation?
The Liquidation is currently being funded with company assets. Allocation of costs of returning account holders assets will be subject to further direction from the Court.

To clarify the account holders’ assets are not recorded in the Receipts and Payments statement, found in the Liquidator’s reports.

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15My crypto was not affected by the January hack, why can’t I withdraw them?
Because no detailed reconciliation process between the customer database and the crypto assets held in the exchange’s wallets was ever undertaken, we cannot confirm that account holders' coin balances will match the actual holdings for each coin.

still with the don't know how it was hacked story (does any of them investigate it now? did they ever?).

TillKoeln of unnamed.exchange posts above it can be used for the return of funds, and its known that this exchange is created by one of the cryptopia founders saddam213 aka chainstack.
Does Grant Thornton consider them a suspect in the hack? If he is not a suspect then he should be employed by them to fix this mess, not new hires who waste time learning how it all works and may introduce a new risk of theft or loss.
Unnnamed.exchange must be capable to handing a wallet reconciliation process or the unnamed.exchange would not have been around for over a year now with their wallets running and exchange unhacked.
but really any exchange that already has shown it handles a variety of altcoins and tokens would be capable of integrating the wallets and database, so liquidators could choose to contract it out to a suitable cryptocurrency exchange instead of wasting more time and money to reinvent the wheel here Huh

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New update from liquidator :

https://www.grantthornton.co.nz/Update-for-Cryptopia-account-holders-18-September-2020/

Selected part :

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When can I get my coins back?
The expectation is the claims process will open by the end of the year with the AML to follow this. Once these two phases are complete, we expect the repatriation process to follow. It is important to note that:

We have to establish a claims process and cannot just open up the Cryptopia exchange: the exchange was hacked prior to the liquidation. With the source of the hack still not identified we cannot open up an exchange that has been compromised
We have to complete the reconciliation process: this includes re-establishing coins in a non-hacked environment and then reconciling coin balances to the customer database. With over 900,000 active customers and up to 900 different coins, this is not a quick process
We will likely need to go back to court to seek further directions in respect of the distribution process including AML requirements. As liquidators, we need to follow the laws in New Zealand and cannot just return coins to account holders without completing appropriate KYC procedures

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Are you selling my coins to fund the Liquidation?
The Liquidation is currently being funded with company assets. Allocation of costs of returning account holders assets will be subject to further direction from the Court.

To clarify the account holders’ assets are not recorded in the Receipts and Payments statement, found in the Liquidator’s reports.

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15My crypto was not affected by the January hack, why can’t I withdraw them?
Because no detailed reconciliation process between the customer database and the crypto assets held in the exchange’s wallets was ever undertaken, we cannot confirm that account holders' coin balances will match the actual holdings for each coin.

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unnamed.Exchange, join the Cool Kids!!!

if the liquidators need some help on the remaining bags/altcoins , let me know.
we can easy integrate the userdb and client connections to the wallets.
and the trade pairs are just few more clicks.
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hey JollyGood, all well ?
you are still on potatoe or tomatoe hunt ?

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It is like a double whammy because first many users already sent KYC to Cryptopia now they have to send it again to the liquidators.

Then there are those that used Cryptopia because they did not want to send KYC but are being told to send ID to stand any chance of getting any portion of their funds back.

A very sad situation indeed.

Quote from: TheCryproMaster on September 10, 2020, 04:48:45 PM

Yea that is the problem why would you send your ID to somewhere on the other side of the world with no guarantee even that would get your funds back?

I would say not even 10% of people are going to do it, some cant even do it they don't have any ID. Cryptopia let anyone trade with nothing more than an email. Multiple emails. And how many have even looked at getting back its forgotten about or written off.

So what will happen to the vast pool of unclaimed coins. Do they get shared out to account holders? Do the shareholders get it? Does Grant Thornton have a devious lawyer clause to lay claim to whats left?

This will have years left to play out.

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Quote from: TheCryproMaster on September 10, 2020, 04:48:45 PM

Yea that is the problem why would you send your ID to somewhere on the other side of the world with no guarantee even that would get your funds back?

I would say not even 10% of people are going to do it, some cant even do it they don't have any ID. Cryptopia let anyone trade with nothing more than an email. Multiple emails. And how many have even looked at getting back its forgotten about or written off.

So what will happen to the vast pool of unclaimed coins. Do they get shared out to account holders? Do the shareholders get it? Does Grant Thornton have a devious lawyer clause to lay claim to whats left?

This will have years left to play out.

This is really big concern and its hurts very badly now time is also running out very quickly so feeling this is not going to happen in near future as liquidators doing this all they have no problem as they are taking some good fees so problem is going with only shareholders those are in serious problems and no one going to look at them.

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Yea that is the problem why would you send your ID to somewhere on the other side of the world with no guarantee even that would get your funds back?

I would say not even 10% of people are going to do it, some cant even do it they don't have any ID. Cryptopia let anyone trade with nothing more than an email. Multiple emails. And how many have even looked at getting back its forgotten about or written off.

So what will happen to the vast pool of unclaimed coins. Do they get shared out to account holders? Do the shareholders get it? Does Grant Thornton have a devious lawyer clause to lay claim to whats left?

This will have years left to play out.

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I had some coins there but would never ever send my ID to them and many others will not send KYC too. That means for those that did send KYC to the liquidators would get a larger chunk of their funds back but if the liquidators had to return their fees then it would allows victims that sent their ID to cover a good proportion of their funds.

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 10, 2020, 08:46:07 AM

If the liquidators have to return funds then that would be absolutely fantastic for the victims because it means those that applied for their funds to be returned will be getting a larger chunk. This is good news.

It is indeed. Where the stumbling block is is G&T are wanting to ensure they have the "right" users by requiring anyone wanting to make a claim to undergo KYC regardless of whether or not they ever completed such a process via the Cryptopia website. That's where the problem for most traders is, they may have had big wins or losses, but don't want to be identified (but still walk away with their burse).

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Quote from: Timelord2067 on September 10, 2020, 02:36:15 AM

I'm fairly sure I read that the Judge has ruled the funds are owned by the clients of Cryptopia and therefore G&T have to return those funds to the clients as opposed to bleeding the funds dry as some/most people contributing to this thread seem to think.

It'd be interesting to be a fly on the wall when Cryptopia's owners are presented with the bill to pay for G&T's services.

What are they waiting for? Isn't there something like contempt of court that applies here?

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 10, 2020, 08:46:07 AM

If the liquidators have to return funds then that would be absolutely fantastic for the victims because it means those that applied for their funds to be returned will be getting a larger chunk. This is good news.

It is indeed. Where the stumbling block is is G&T are wanting to ensure they have the "right" users by requiring anyone wanting to make a claim to undergo KYC regardless of whether or not they ever completed such a process via the Cryptopia website. That's where the problem for most traders is, they may have had big wins or losses, but don't want to be identified (but still walk away with their burse).

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If the liquidators have to return funds then that would be absolutely fantastic for the victims because it means those that applied for their funds to be returned will be getting a larger chunk. This is good news.

Quote from: Timelord2067 on September 10, 2020, 02:36:15 AM

I'm fairly sure I read that the Judge has ruled the funds are owned by the clients of Cryptopia and therefore G&T have to return those funds to the clients as opposed to bleeding the funds dry as some/most people contributing to this thread seem to think.

It'd be interesting to be a fly on the wall when Cryptopia's owners are presented with the bill to pay for G&T's services.

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I'm fairly sure I read that the Judge has ruled the funds are owned by the clients of Cryptopia and therefore G&T have to return those funds to the clients as opposed to bleeding the funds dry as some/most people contributing to this thread seem to think.

It'd be interesting to be a fly on the wall when Cryptopia's owners are presented with the bill to pay for G&T's services.

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Quote from: aesma on September 09, 2020, 02:48:15 PM

I doubt there is much BTC left, as the wallet wasn't compromised, so most of it could already be withdrawn at the beginning of this story, when they gave access for a window of time. Personally I got 90% of my BTC back.

You are really lucky as you have your 90% if I have this then really never came here on this thread for my money because I was not lucky enough I lost my all funds and have never any reply or any positive note about this all just because of this still mouning here for any good news but now feeling this good news is never coming here for me.

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I doubt there is much BTC left, as the wallet wasn't compromised, so most of it could already be withdrawn at the beginning of this story, when they gave access for a window of time. Personally I got 90% of my BTC back.

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We should be able to use the old interface and download our coins. Maybe a percentage of the BTC held will go for staff providing that?

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I would not be surprised if it was an inside job, I do not believe it was a hack in the conventional sense. In my opinion it is clear someone within the organisation either orchestrated or facilitated in the hack.

Quote from: Taskford on September 05, 2020, 08:04:09 AM

I'm not buying those hacked words on them since the one came on my mind is that incident is inside job, so if theirs liquidator came then hopefully it will be done since provably many affected users are still hoping to get their money on this platform. Also its not good if they will be payed on shitcoin since its another hassle for the users.

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Quote from: ovcijisir on September 04, 2020, 04:21:37 PM

Quote from: JollyGood on September 01, 2020, 09:58:50 AM

This is what a lot of victims are worried about. I just do not know why they called the liquidators in when they could have tried to make up the shortfall by profit sharing and returning losses. It has hallmarks of being like an inside job.

Quote from: aesma on September 01, 2020, 12:43:30 AM

I have long lost hope of getting any more money back from Cryptopia (I have gotten 90% of my BTC when they reopened briefly). All the remaining money/coins sold will pay the liquidators and there will be nothing left for us.

Do you really think that liquidators will want to be payed in bags of shitcoin? All valuable coins were stolen by hackers already (BTC, ETH and ERC20 tokens)

I'm not buying those hacked words on them since the one came on my mind is that incident is inside job, so if theirs liquidator came then hopefully it will be done since provably many affected users are still hoping to get their money on this platform. Also its not good if they will be payed on shitcoin since its another hassle for the users.

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 01, 2020, 09:58:50 AM

This is what a lot of victims are worried about. I just do not know why they called the liquidators in when they could have tried to make up the shortfall by profit sharing and returning losses. It has hallmarks of being like an inside job.

Quote from: aesma on September 01, 2020, 12:43:30 AM

I have long lost hope of getting any more money back from Cryptopia (I have gotten 90% of my BTC when they reopened briefly). All the remaining money/coins sold will pay the liquidators and there will be nothing left for us.

Do you really think that liquidators will want to be payed in bags of shitcoin? All valuable coins were stolen by hackers already (BTC, ETH and ERC20 tokens)

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This is what a lot of victims are worried about. I just do not know why they called the liquidators in when they could have tried to make up the shortfall by profit sharing and returning losses. It has hallmarks of being like an inside job.

Quote from: aesma on September 01, 2020, 12:43:30 AM

I have long lost hope of getting any more money back from Cryptopia (I have gotten 90% of my BTC when they reopened briefly). All the remaining money/coins sold will pay the liquidators and there will be nothing left for us.

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