Topic: CRYPTSY stopping withdraw locking accounts without notifying users! Class Action - page 179. (Read 1006931 times)
April 08, 2016, 04:27:35 AM
How do international customers who lost coins in Cryptsy get them back, do I need to do something with a US court?
April 08, 2016, 03:13:37 AM
They all should be in court.they all played a part in this crime.The staff ,support staff ,network staff,volunteers,even the damn cleaning staff Jail them all and maybe realtor and realtor broker to
Yes I also think so , I wonder why they decided to scam when they were largely known for the biggest exchange site. Guys you ruined it just for some money while you could have earned more than that over a long period of time. April 08, 2016, 12:43:08 AM
They all should be in court.they all played a part in this crime.The staff ,support staff ,network staff,volunteers,even the damn cleaning staff Jail them all and maybe realtor and realtor broker to
April 07, 2016, 08:10:18 PM
So, are you saying Paul Dalian = Paul Vernon = Bao Luo? Am I following this right? So is Paul/Bao embezzling from Cryptsy to fund new Chinese shell Companies and launder the embezzled money?
Yes, Paul Vernon and Bao Luo are the same person.Bitebi9,his Chinese exchange was registred as Project Investors inc company.When he was discovered he transfered it to his Chinese paramour Liu Xiuxia.
What are infos about Cryptsy till now:
- 11825 BTC stolen BTC were never moved after so call hack(never happened such thing in crypto world)
- hacker took BTC and altcoins during 5.5 hours long hack and no one at Cryptsy react for that time.It was not flash hack,but slow transfer.
- stolen altcoins were sent directly to Bittrex,BTC-e,Huobi(smaller amounts on BTC38 and BTER) from October 2014-July 2015.Transactions were easy to track,but Vernon did not do anything to stop them or alarm exchanges about these transactions,so stolen altcoins were converted in about 4400 BTC
- 8 months after huge hack,poor Vernon bought $1.3 millions worth huge house for cash and 2 expensive SUVs,
- after Cryptsy closure,members found out that not only reported BTC and altcoins missing,but many others coins and cash which were not hacker target - DASH and DOGE worth millions of dollars vanished.From Cryptsy Canada a lot of cash money dissapeared too.Hacker could not take cash so where is it? Now we know that he used members cash money and coins to pay Cryptsy and his own expenses too
- before hack, at least 585 BTC from Silkroad siezed accounts passed through Cryptsy accounts in the time when rogue agent Shaun Bridges controlled them. 75 BTC came directly to Cryptsy cold wallet(which was under Vernon sole control) and was never moved.Probably payment for laundry services and advices
- month before AML,KYC introduction,Vernon fired Shandice Anderson-Fulton, who is specialist for AML,KYC, Fincen and SEC regulations and put totally unexperienced Horus on her place
- starting July 2015 and to the very end,Vernon sucked 545 BTCs from old hot Cryptsy wallet and transfered them to BTCC China address 17UFQvsFyq7z2tUHHWhAkGsLTYEaCZZp4S,where they were sold for needed CNY for Bitebi9 opening and different expenses.Operation were conducted till to end of Cryptsy - on 10th.January 2016. he took last 16 BTC,when nobody can get even 0.01 BTC from Cryptsy,
-he claimed during divorce that he has no income,but he gave all his US properties and money to his wife.Further,that man without income and properties obliged to pay $20000 for big house real estate tax, $15.000 for his wife lawyer expenses, to continue paying for his $1.000.000 life insurance and $2.500 monthly payment for child support.From where he will pay that,no money,no income,no assets?
- in class action lawsuit papers there is statement that IRS Criminal Division and SEC put Cryptsy and Vernon under investigation
April 07, 2016, 07:20:49 PM
So, are you saying Paul Dalian = Paul Vernon = Bao Luo? Am I following this right? So is Paul/Bao embezzling from Cryptsy to fund new Chinese shell Companies and launder the embezzled money?
Correct, or: Paul Vernon is an honest dude that wouldn't lie to your face while taking your moneys and fucking you up the ass while fingering your lady's pussy while he and Jim Shockney watch porn. The ONLY saving grace is that Susan Wilson aka DCGirl and John MacPherson aka Horus are working behind the scenes with the FBI to get to the bottom of the inside job conducted by Paul Vernon with the help of DCGirl, Horus, etc.
April 07, 2016, 06:16:50 PM
So, are you saying Paul Dalian = Paul Vernon = Bao Luo? Am I following this right? So is Paul/Bao embezzling from Cryptsy to fund new Chinese shell Companies and launder the embezzled money?
April 07, 2016, 06:09:53 PM
What a clusterfuck this whole mess has turned out to be...
I thought we would have had more conclusive information of what went down by now..
I thought we would have had more conclusive information of what went down by now..
April 07, 2016, 05:48:33 PM
I found firm evidences how P.Vernon financed Bitebi9 exchange by money from Cryptsy users.
Bitebi9 was founded 28th.July.2015 and start capital was 300.000 CNY(picture below) ~ $46.000 ~ 184 BTC at that time. Money came from Cryptsy old hot wallet(founded before theft) which was used only for paying Cryptsy expenses and refunding new hot wallet from time to time - users did not receive BTC directly from it at all.
From Cryptsy old hot wallet money went to address 17UFQvsFyq7z2tUHHWhAkGsLTYEaCZZp4S at BTCC China exchange,where BTC were changed to CNY.
For period July 2015 - January 2016, 543.5 BTC came from old hot Cryptsy wallet to this address on BTCC.In 2 such transactions 150 BTC and 200 BTC were transfered directly to BTCC - that is far over 100 BTC limit per transaction for users,so there are no doubt that is not user ,but P.Vernon.
Another indication that it is P.Vernon account is that this address received directly from Cryptsy old hot wallet 16 BTC on 10.January.2016,just few days before closure and in time when receiving just 0.01 BTC was impossible.
https://www.walletexplorer.com/address/17UFQvsFyq7z2tUHHWhAkGsLTYEaCZZp4S
What is also interesting that this address 17UFQvsFyq7z2tUHHWhAkGsLTYEaCZZp4S received 56 BTC from Bittrex and 100 from BTC-e,two exchanges that "hacker" used to sell stolen altcoins and convert them in BTC.
Nice work. The awesome thing about all this is im sure silver law and others are reading this thread to use this info. Some of you should be on retainers. I bet Paul err Bao and others detest the fact these threads expose them. They probably think they are so smart...
The truth of it is the block chain isn't anonymous. As long as there are transaction id's and a link to an address in teh chain somewhere that shows ownership then there is a trail. Once the accusation is there and made they have to counter it with their auditing.
Pauls fucked and he knows it. With the changing landscape china has to work more with other countries on scam stuff so he doesn't have anywhere to hide.
I wonder what pushes people to do this. Bittrex and poloniex have shown that admitting hacks when they happen has a outcome where you can recover. I haven't seen a hidden info hack / scam attempt work yet see cryptsy and paycoin. They all collapse and the owners all end up accountable with fines and/or jail. Do they not learn from past history?
So if all this comes out and the lawyers nail Vernon and get a lot of money back, how do they distribute it? The class action lawsuit is only for
American customers. I know it's unlikely, but if they recover a huge amount of money that he used in his new business, and all the American customers get all their money back, then how do the international customers get their money?
April 07, 2016, 04:50:27 PM
If I am right, I want nothing to do with the giant shitstorm about to hit.
Sure sure well I can see you have a warm welcome in this thread, can it be worse? Maybe you should think positive and people will see you as a savior...or are you involved yourself?
I over time spent more maintaining coins I made than I made off premines. The only wealth I made from crypto was for Chinese clients back in mid to late 2013. At the time they were paying very well to be trained.
Thanks, I appreciate your honesty
Which part of original dev don't you understand???
Most probably the definition of "dev". For me copy coin cloners and developers are two different kind of people.
I see you joined on December 06, 2013, when Bitcoin was worth a ton and all altcoins had value. That's the difference you dont get and is blinding you. When I started an altcoin was worth nothing, given away to friends, trolls, anyone. Traded only in PM's for next to nothing. You come here to make money, lose that mindset and you will think clearer.
To whoever quoted Lucky7 as being a new algo is wrong, takes 2 seconds to see it is scrypt.
Nice try but if I have other reasons to come here. Lost my faith in cryptos about two years ago.
April 07, 2016, 03:47:02 PM
The real question still remains, has anyone filed criminal charges against him? Hike down to the police station, state for the record that "Paul Vernon stole my money". That is the quickest way he will get arrested.
Easy to make an accusation, do you have proof to show?
If somebody robs the bank you keep your money at, are you going to march down to the police station and "state for the record" the owner of the bank stole your money?
Throughout this entire thread, there have been so many accusations, thoughts, ideas, 100's of "possibles" but very little FACT or proof.
Just because you dox somebody and exploit everything you can find about them does not make them guilty.
I challenge any and all trolls in this box to give some actual "proof" that those coins sitting there untouched were stolen by Paul Vernon.
If you can do that, then you have a case, if not then you have NOTHING.
What are you a fucking moron ?
People been begging the man to give back their money and he has refused to do so.
Idiot !
For the record, Cryptolicious is an asshole.
He probably meant both rofl
Sorry for small offtopic.
April 07, 2016, 03:40:17 PM
The real question still remains, has anyone filed criminal charges against him? Hike down to the police station, state for the record that "Paul Vernon stole my money". That is the quickest way he will get arrested.
Easy to make an accusation, do you have proof to show?
If somebody robs the bank you keep your money at, are you going to march down to the police station and "state for the record" the owner of the bank stole your money?
Throughout this entire thread, there have been so many accusations, thoughts, ideas, 100's of "possibles" but very little FACT or proof.
Just because you dox somebody and exploit everything you can find about them does not make them guilty.
I challenge any and all trolls in this box to give some actual "proof" that those coins sitting there untouched were stolen by Paul Vernon.
If you can do that, then you have a case, if not then you have NOTHING.
What are you a fucking moron ?
People been begging the man to give back their money and he has refused to do so.
Idiot !
For the record, Cryptolicious is an asshole.
He probably meant both rofl
April 07, 2016, 03:27:36 PM
The real question still remains, has anyone filed criminal charges against him? Hike down to the police station, state for the record that "Paul Vernon stole my money". That is the quickest way he will get arrested.
Easy to make an accusation, do you have proof to show?
If somebody robs the bank you keep your money at, are you going to march down to the police station and "state for the record" the owner of the bank stole your money?
Throughout this entire thread, there have been so many accusations, thoughts, ideas, 100's of "possibles" but very little FACT or proof.
Just because you dox somebody and exploit everything you can find about them does not make them guilty.
I challenge any and all trolls in this box to give some actual "proof" that those coins sitting there untouched were stolen by Paul Vernon.
If you can do that, then you have a case, if not then you have NOTHING.
What are you a fucking moron ?
People been begging the man to give back their money and he has refused to do so.
Idiot !
For the record, Cryptolicious is an asshole.
April 07, 2016, 03:25:21 PM
can anyone tell me if this bigvern fellow is still in the united states, and can't leave the country? the last news i know is his house is for sale and the site is down, and no new notifications, so are these guys gone forever or is the case against them in full progress?
i still have 24 btc overthere
thanks for anyone who can help me
i still have 24 btc overthere
thanks for anyone who can help me
24 btc "overthere" eh? well i guess you helped fund Verns retainer. his lawyers accept btc no doubt...
What Lawyers?
ORDER by Clerk of Entry of Default Re:22 Motion for Clerks Entry of Default as to Project Investors, Inc. (Default mailed to Project Investors, Inc.). Signed by DEPUTY CLERK on 3/24/2016. (ar2)
Seems Project Investors finally has a Lawyer......
https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/10497012/Liu_v_Project_Investors,_Inc_et_al
https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/10497012/Liu_v_Project_Investors,_Inc_et_al
Quite appropriate
http://www.payton-law.com/Attorneys/Patrick-J-Rengstl-3439003.shtml
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Patrick J. Rengstl is senior counsel at Payton & Associates. He is a commercial litigator, a trial lawyer, and an appellate advocate. Patrick's practice includes commercial litigation, federal and state Court receiverships, insurance-related and foreclosure litigation, real estate litigation, and appellate advocacy. Patrick has extensive federal receivership experience in some of South Florida's most notorious alleged Ponzi scheme and investment-related fraud cases filed by the United States Securities and Exchange Commission ("SEC") and the Commodity Futures Trading Commission ("CFTC"). In addition, Patrick has extensive federal receivership experience in cases filed by the Federal Trade Commission ("FTC") involving alleged deceptive telemarketing schemes.
I wonder if he accepts Bitcoin as payment?
Jon
yeah he got 24 btc "overthere"
April 07, 2016, 03:22:45 PM
The real question still remains, has anyone filed criminal charges against him? Hike down to the police station, state for the record that "Paul Vernon stole my money". That is the quickest way he will get arrested.
Easy to make an accusation, do you have proof to show?
If somebody robs the bank you keep your money at, are you going to march down to the police station and "state for the record" the owner of the bank stole your money?
Throughout this entire thread, there have been so many accusations, thoughts, ideas, 100's of "possibles" but very little FACT or proof.
Just because you dox somebody and exploit everything you can find about them does not make them guilty.
I challenge any and all trolls in this box to give some actual "proof" that those coins sitting there untouched were stolen by Paul Vernon.
If you can do that, then you have a case, if not then you have NOTHING.
What are you a fucking moron ?
People been begging the man to give back their money and he has refused to do so.
Idiot !
For the record, Cryptolicious is an asshole.
April 07, 2016, 03:06:45 PM
You guys havn't even scratched the surface.
You better tell us why you abandoned your memecoin?Memecoin was I think one of the first 50 altcoins ever released. It had one of the longest chains and might still be active, I dont know. Last time I updated the wallet almost a year ago was the last time I ran a client on my machine. I contributed over 500 commits to keep alcoins going, mostly for free and under aliases and paid over $25K to developers in the community to keep coins going. Tell me, what have you done to contribute?
Anyone need proof? It's here - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12468336
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Last correspondance with Cryptsy I had about the wallet was not long after the last update, almost a year ago. Last coin I made was Paycon, over 15 months ago.
Maybe tomorrow I should get back into it.
I have a new idea, it's called whinging fuck coin. WFC. You only have to buy $1 worth but that gives you the right to carry on like you invested your house, demand a full time commitment from the developer while dumping on his arse and demand an unrealistic feature request list while all the time distracting him with pointless PM's and calling him an arsehole.
You in?
No.Maybe tomorrow I should get back into it.
I have a new idea, it's called whinging fuck coin. WFC. You only have to buy $1 worth but that gives you the right to carry on like you invested your house, demand a full time commitment from the developer while dumping on his arse and demand an unrealistic feature request list while all the time distracting him with pointless PM's and calling him an arsehole.
You in?
You're a liar. I never sent you any PM's.
And you're a liar twice, because I never called you an asshole or "arsehole" as you named yourself.
I have nothing more to talk to you.
April 07, 2016, 02:06:25 PM
Ops I! 
April 07, 2016, 01:59:45 PM
Lucky7coin seems hacked, all miners' mined coins become orphans, except maybe hacker's. Also the block time become a lot faster than designed, we have requested cryptsy to suspend the trading. We are investigating the cause of this abnormality.
Is muddafudda behind this coin ?
is this the guy created many crapcoins?
by reading the ann, this coin has a new algo, I don't think muddafudda is intelligent enough to create it.
the coin seems working fine, why cryptsy disabled it?
nay, I am a lot better than muddafudda ...
don't know why cryptsy suspended it, PM'ed them and did not get an answer.
Lucky7coin seems hacked, all miners' mined coins become orphans, except maybe hacker's. Also the block time become a lot faster than designed, we have requested cryptsy to suspend the trading. We are investigating the cause of this abnormality.
Just interesting, what grounds you had to make such a conclusion. What have been done in order to prove/fix that it was hacked? The only thing you did by requesting cryptsy to suspend the trading is complete kill of coin. You do nothing to develop the coin and you do everything to destroy it.
Come on, I don't think you understand what has happened, so making accusations are too premature.
Back in Nov, at one point all the mining pools and solo miners got only orphans. We thought it was an attack, and investigated the issue. The reason is really at one point, a lot PoS blocks generated which took over the PoW generation. The PoW generation was greatly reduced, and apparent diff very low, causing a lot of orphans. After this wave of PoS, the PoW returns to normal pace, and then the chain is functioning normally. We closely monitor the blockchain and it has been working fine recently.
Take a look at block explorer, and go back to Nov last year, you know what I mean (of course assuming you are reasonably intelligent).
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See stupid shit like this is poor, poor work.
April 07, 2016, 01:58:18 PM
Why let us dig? It sounds like you have the evidence/gold and you enjoy watching us dig? Why don't you tell us what you know?
If I am right, I want nothing to do with the giant shitstorm about to hit.
Yes? There is for you a difference between coins you copied and handed over and coins you copied and took the lead for?
I over time spent more maintaining coins I made than I made off premines. The only wealth I made from crypto was for Chinese clients back in mid to late 2013. At the time they were paying very well to be trained. You also admire how he incorporated the virus?
Which part of original dev don't you understand???I see you joined on December 06, 2013, when Bitcoin was worth a ton and all altcoins had value. That's the difference you dont get and is blinding you. When I started an altcoin was worth nothing, given away to friends, trolls, anyone. Traded only in PM's for next to nothing. You come here to make money, lose that mindset and you will think clearer.
To whoever quoted Lucky7 as being a new algo is wrong, takes 2 seconds to see it is scrypt.
April 07, 2016, 01:46:18 PM
Lucky7coin seems hacked, all miners' mined coins become orphans, except maybe hacker's. Also the block time become a lot faster than designed, we have requested cryptsy to suspend the trading. We are investigating the cause of this abnormality.
Is muddafudda behind this coin ?
is this the guy created many crapcoins?
by reading the ann, this coin has a new algo, I don't think muddafudda is intelligent enough to create it.
the coin seems working fine, why cryptsy disabled it?
nay, I am a lot better than muddafudda ...
don't know why cryptsy suspended it, PM'ed them and did not get an answer.
Lucky7coin seems hacked, all miners' mined coins become orphans, except maybe hacker's. Also the block time become a lot faster than designed, we have requested cryptsy to suspend the trading. We are investigating the cause of this abnormality.
Just interesting, what grounds you had to make such a conclusion. What have been done in order to prove/fix that it was hacked? The only thing you did by requesting cryptsy to suspend the trading is complete kill of coin. You do nothing to develop the coin and you do everything to destroy it.
Come on, I don't think you understand what has happened, so making accusations are too premature.
Back in Nov, at one point all the mining pools and solo miners got only orphans. We thought it was an attack, and investigated the issue. The reason is really at one point, a lot PoS blocks generated which took over the PoW generation. The PoW generation was greatly reduced, and apparent diff very low, causing a lot of orphans. After this wave of PoS, the PoW returns to normal pace, and then the chain is functioning normally. We closely monitor the blockchain and it has been working fine recently.
Take a look at block explorer, and go back to Nov last year, you know what I mean (of course assuming you are reasonably intelligent).
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April 07, 2016, 01:30:58 PM
Moving in the right direction here. Rather than looking before "the hack" and after the announcement "the hack" had taken place, dig deeper into the period in between. This is where you will find the most compelling evidence of what has taken place.
Why let us dig? It sounds like you have the evidence/gold and you enjoy watching us dig?
Why don't you tell us what you know?
Cryptsy after Memecoin, never listed a coin I was lead dev for at the time it was listed. If anything they deliberately did not list coins I was active lead dev for.
Yes? There is for you a difference between coins you copied and handed over and coins you copied and took the lead for?
No but I did have admiration for the original dev in the way he used the previous hash for rewards.
You also admire how he incorporated the virus?
I think I had 20BTC in volume in the whole time Cryptsy was open, only ever using one account. See second response.
Dig, dig, dig. Eventually you will find gold.
Dig, dig, dig. Eventually you will find gold.
See first response
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