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*Brute force will solve any Bitcoin problem*
The Cryptsy UNO cold wallet going to Bittrex is extremely fishy..
No way any moron would have thought that they could do it like that and make off with selling them and the BTCs...

It's almost like they were surrendered back to the community, passing the buck/responsibility to trex.

What do you think? You really think Vern is THAT stupid? Maybe it as another hacker surrendering those coins back to the people or something?



coins are coins ... what now trex is going to pick and chose what coins are legit?  Cheesy  *lol sure
legendary
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BTC or BUST
The Cryptsy UNO cold wallet going to Bittrex is extremely fishy..
No way any moron would have thought that they could do it like that and make off with selling them and the BTCs...

It's almost like they were surrendered back to the community, passing the buck/responsibility to trex.

What do you think? You really think Vern is THAT stupid? Maybe it as another hacker surrendering those coins back to the people or something?
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Cryptsy site is now totally offline.

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The subdomain is still up: http://blog.cryptsy.com/
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Unfortunately, that's not going to happen. Your talking of some coins with millions in volume on Cryptsy. Then users of Cryptsy would have to prove their coin balance as of the shutdown.

With Cryptsy in Receivership it could also be illegal for a Developer to interfere.

Even if there was a way.


See thats what I thought. I would think that all the losses were going to be lumped in together and payments for those losses would be split up... but what do I know :-)
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Cryptsy site is now totally offline.

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Yap  34 minutes ago showing samething


 Before. 14days 
http://imgur.com/qGlSCbG


Now it totally gone . wooow bye bye cryptsy took off
$2k 🎉 with it
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Cryptsy site is now totally offline.

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legendary
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Ooh cool, I'll narrate this one:

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Yes - Dana C. Ragazza = DCGirl. I think you'll find a whole thread here on bitcointalk about that. Feel free to contact Brad at the coinfront to confirm why I used that name.

No - Susan Wilson does not = DCGirl

At this point I'm not sure if you're trying to save face or if you really think you're right.

Either way - sigh, whatever.


so you confirm you commit fraud i.e. use fake names for nefarious purposes?  wow  Shocked

yes and its a fake picture too. feel free to ask the coinfront about that, but it was done for "non-nefarious" purposes.




i'm asking you .. hello? who you scamming bro?  Roll Eyes

call me a scammer and a liar, I really don't care. hopefully y'all are done calling me susan wilson.

Well that was an embarrassing wild goose chase. One for the books for sure, Gleb.
Long time no see DC!
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Please don't get me wrong. I am not wishing the holders of any coins to loose money. If as a developer you can reverse all the transactions that were given to cryptsy, and you can figure out how to make sure they are not coins that were traded, lost, stolen or otherwise then I say do it.
I don't know how you would be able to do so.

User deposits x amount of some coin. The user exchanges them for some other coin. Then those to another coin. Then back to the starting coin but they made 300 coins in the process... will you be able to track who is the righful owner of the coins without access to the books at cryptsy?
Do you reverse the initial deposit to cryptsy meaning the user lost the 300 coins they earned? What if they lost those 300 coins and 200 more. Reversing the transaction would mean you are taking them away from the person who earned them after deposit.

Do what you can to recover what you can, but I think these issues would make some people loose coins that are legitimately owned.

I don't know how the back end stuff works. That isnt my thing. Just my 2 cents worth on the idea... and my 2 cents are worth far less than an actual 2 cents...




Unfortunately, that's not going to happen. Your talking of some coins with millions in volume on Cryptsy. Then users of Cryptsy would have to prove their coin balance as of the shutdown.

With Cryptsy in Receivership it could also be illegal for a Developer to interfere.

Even if there was a way.
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What ever happened to the cheering section over at craptsy? The people like terrik and the others telling all the users that the money was safe and that  they were getting withdrawals all the time?

I never heard anything from them again.

I wondered at the time if they were being paid by craptsy to be shills... 
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Getting completely ripped off by cryptsy was a risk that all of cyptsy's customers walked into with their eyes wide open. At this point, you guys should work on accepting that it is extremely unlikely that anyone will get anything back. If you put thousands of dollars into a risky exchange like this and got burned, sure I feel bad for you. It's a real shame. Crypto suffers across the board everytime this kind of thing happens. With regard to each of Paul's victims, keep in mind that you are lying to yourself if you didn't know that losing all you coins wasn't a definite possible outcome. I liken this to banging a prostitute without a condom and then getting angry when you find out she gave you herpes. This is one instance where your greed, laziness, poor decision making, or a combination of these caught up with you and you paid the price.

Imagine this scenario: 3 neighbors loan a 4th neighbor collectively a chainsaw, a leaf blower, and a lawn mower. Unfortunately, the neighbor's home gets robbed and someone steals the lawn mower. Does that give the neighbor the right to sell his other neighbors' chainsaw and leaf blower, then split the proceeds between all 3? Of course not. So stop with that "they stole from all of us" bullshit. Only a handful of coins were stolen. The rest of the coins could have been fully returned to their rightful owners.


2 crimes occurred here. Someone hacker or insider stole BTC, Doge, LTC, whatever. Then Paul stole all the rest of his depositors coins after bizarrely and seemingly arbitrarily releasing several types of altcoins.



There was more than this. The "hacker" stole a large amount of coins over a year ago. The exchange should have shut down then and given back whatever was not stolen at that time. This didn't happen. When he tried to run the exchange without telling anyone, and lost other customers money... he and the craptsy crew committed that crime.

Because the exchange (as a company) stole customers money, they will liquidate all the assets involved to move the losses equally among investors. Your analogy about the chainsaw wont work because vern sold the chainsaw, leaf blower, the immersion blender and the neighbors dog.

Yes, anyone who lost coins is partially to blame for loosing them, as there were signs that this might happen. Now that it did happen, the laws in the US don't favor creditors by what type of assets (coins) were lost. They will sell everything and divide out the remainder (after the lawyers get the biggest chunk). The people who owned any of the coins that were not removed from the exchange will be in the same position.

right wrong or otherwise that's the way I see this playing out.   If you are lucky, people will get change on the dollar.




Please don't get me wrong. I am not wishing the holders of any coins to loose money. If as a developer you can reverse all the transactions that were given to cryptsy, and you can figure out how to make sure they are not coins that were traded, lost, stolen or otherwise then I say do it.
I don't know how you would be able to do so.

User deposits x amount of some coin. The user exchanges them for some other coin. Then those to another coin. Then back to the starting coin but they made 300 coins in the process... will you be able to track who is the righful owner of the coins without access to the books at cryptsy?
Do you reverse the initial deposit to cryptsy meaning the user lost the 300 coins they earned? What if they lost those 300 coins and 200 more. Reversing the transaction would mean you are taking them away from the person who earned them after deposit.

Do what you can to recover what you can, but I think these issues would make some people loose coins that are legitimately owned.

I don't know how the back end stuff works. That isnt my thing. Just my 2 cents worth on the idea... and my 2 cents are worth far less than an actual 2 cents...
 

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I’m hearing some stray reports, is it possible cryptsy alts being placed for sale on bittrex right now?

Check this out  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14494331
Thx for that. 200 million DGB turned up there today. Don't know where from as yet. Seems like a strange place to put it!

Vern is clearly trying to move any coin that has between 50-100 sat and volume. Funny thing is he's a stupid cunt. Thinks he's being smart trying to cash out coins with volume but he's doing it in the stupidest ways... not splitting, no mixers, and probably using personal details from cryptsy users thinking he's got one over everyone.

Unfortunately with this thread he can learn to adapt. Its up to the law to catch up to him before he does this. China should extradite him... he's not a chinese born so i'm expecting they'll kick the white chinese man out as a show of good faith. In short vern is fucked... big vern is going to meet big bubba. Maybe he and garza can make a jail gang.


For your information
Chinese love white dick

https://youtu.be/pBnSmUK3xao

Second link

https://youtu.be/M7RMCmRnciI

Check vice report ✌

Bitebi9 by  another Chinese partnership with Vern dog empowering business

( his not alone in China / he have supporting people n also have lady bodyguard too )
 fuck you
 ( your wife MOLESTed by law soon )
Your friends n family involving
legendary
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Damn. I lost 10 Bitcoin to cryptsy. Now because of all the dumps I have another 6 BTC wiped off my portfiolio. He is gonna have a lot of people after him. He better be good at hiding.
legendary
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I’m hearing some stray reports, is it possible cryptsy alts being placed for sale on bittrex right now?

Check this out  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14494331
Thx for that. 200 million DGB turned up there today. Don't know where from as yet. Seems like a strange place to put it!

Vern is clearly trying to move any coin that has between 50-100 sat and volume. Funny thing is he's a stupid cunt. Thinks he's being smart trying to cash out coins with volume but he's doing it in the stupidest ways... not splitting, no mixers, and probably using personal details from cryptsy users thinking he's got one over everyone.

Unfortunately with this thread he can learn to adapt. Its up to the law to catch up to him before he does this. China should extradite him... he's not a chinese born so i'm expecting they'll kick the white chinese man out as a show of good faith. In short vern is fucked... big vern is going to meet big bubba. Maybe he and garza can make a jail gang.
legendary
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I’m hearing some stray reports, is it possible cryptsy alts being placed for sale on bittrex right now?

Check this out  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14494331

Verns getting desperate.... needs funds. Sunk to new lows. Bittrex and poloniex watching deposits > x amount will fuck him over. End of the road for vern. He now lives in a shit arse country with an oppressive firewall. He's got some chinese pussy but thats about it. Bet he is looking back over his life now and saying fuck...
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Horrifying  moments😫 tell me, it not true
@thounderjet

Ah ahahahaha I'm angry 😬

Vern I going to kill you /unless stop his shit now
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They still have the coins though. Vern does at least. He can still return them. The clock is ticking. As the events unfold in the next few months I think if Vern returns the coins now he can still keep himself and his accomplices out of jail, or minimize the legal liability at least. It's the same situation Karpeles was in when the "missing" coins were tracked to his wallet. It's obvious at this point Vern is guilty.

Now,after receiveship it will be good to look at Cryptsy wallets carefully and compare all these suspicious transactions(including money transactions of course).When we are talking about blockchain expertise,it is very hard to say what can be enough credentials for the court,because it is something so new,there are no school or something similar for that.Maybe these guys from Chain analysis ,which have company for blockchain expertise will have enough credentials for the court:

https://www.chainalysis.com/
Thunderjet good job with your wallet forensics. Just saw this thought you might wanna see it.
The Cryptsy UNO cold wallet has been moved to a wallet at Bittrex this sunday .  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14494331


If you look carefully at this UNO address on Bittrex uWCVvkiyUqXDiQ8nczaoLrWjqScr4jvnnz which received UNOs from Cryptsy cold wallet,you can see that it got first 25 UNOs (probably control transaction) on 7th.March.2016 - 3 weeks before receivership . Rest of them came yesterday.

So,this 15000 UNO transaction has been done by someone who had control of UNO cold wallet on Cryptsy at 7th.March.2016 and we all know who is that person - Paul Vernon.

Unfortunately,it looks like Vernon copied wallet.dat files from wallets on Cryptsy and now wants to exchange rest of altcoins for BTCs.His big wallets with BTCs taken directly from Crypytsy and from selling altcoins are discovered and compromised,so he cant touch them.Bitebi9 is dead,no volume at all,no income,but he has a lot of expenses, from child alimony to paying big expensive lawer,so he probably desperately needs influx of uncompromised BTCs.I dont think so that this account on Bittrex is on his name,but probably on some poor guy/girl whose gave identity data to Cryptsy.

Maybe big players in crypto world know something about it,because yesterday we had unusally big drop of all altcoins value,while BTC price was stable.









One more thing - I followed UNO address of Cryptsy cold wallet(from the last one address before move on Bittrex) backward on the blockchain to see point of origin of wallet for that address,because that last known address has no label,so someone on Bittrex could tell you are wrong.But, you are right - I found point of origin and it is Cryptsy UNO cold wallet ,no doubt on that:

That point of origin is UNO address(49.000 UNOs) - ucUNib5VsyTHfdz7EQFeqfsvyMgEX9Jhju ,which is positively identified on blockchain as Cryptsy address:


https://chainz.cryptoid.info/uno/tx.dws?627285.htm


https://chainz.cryptoid.info/uno/address.dws?ucUNib5VsyTHfdz7EQFeqfsvyMgEX9Jhju.htm


If you go one more step backward from address - ucUNib5VsyTHfdz7EQFeqfsvyMgEX9Jhju - you will see address uV3ZkXabHfYoBCJpcEX9W7qKH6L6KqkMHy with 50.000 UNOs from where UNOs were transferred to    ucUNib5VsyTHfdz7EQFeqfsvyMgEX9Jhju   :

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/uno/address.dws?uV3ZkXabHfYoBCJpcEX9W7qKH6L6KqkMHy.htm


Now pay attnetion on funds which came to the address uV3ZkXabHfYoBCJpcEX9W7qKH6L6KqkMHy  - on 50000 UNO deposit (block 507095) it leads right to old URAN wallet of Cryptsy :   

uRAN4dj3yG8n93obakUHT8siVQap47bHrN


https://chainz.cryptoid.info/uno/tx.dws?617298.htm


Things are more than clear now



legendary
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... That being said, our community deserves their casinocoin and I don't think they should lose $3m+ to Paul's scam if we hit our targets this year.


Wow... I would have thought the correct answer was none of us should loose our coins to Paul's scam, but thats just me.

paul and the c crew stole from all of us, why would the holders of any one coin get to recover their losses (and potential gains) when so many lost so much?


Getting completely ripped off by cryptsy was a risk that all of cyptsy's customers walked into with their eyes wide open. At this point, you guys should work on accepting that it is extremely unlikely that anyone will get anything back. If you put thousands of dollars into a risky exchange like this and got burned, sure I feel bad for you. It's a real shame. Crypto suffers across the board everytime this kind of thing happens. With regard to each of Paul's victims, keep in mind that you are lying to yourself if you didn't know that losing all you coins wasn't a definite possible outcome. I liken this to banging a prostitute without a condom and then getting angry when you find out she gave you herpes. This is one instance where your greed, laziness, poor decision making, or a combination of these caught up with you and you paid the price.

Imagine this scenario: 3 neighbors loan a 4th neighbor collectively a chainsaw, a leaf blower, and a lawn mower. Unfortunately, the neighbor's home gets robbed and someone steals the lawn mower. Does that give the neighbor the right to sell his other neighbors' chainsaw and leaf blower, then split the proceeds between all 3? Of course not. So stop with that "they stole from all of us" bullshit. Only a handful of coins were stolen. The rest of the coins could have been fully returned to their rightful owners.


2 crimes occurred here. Someone hacker or insider stole BTC, Doge, LTC, whatever. Then Paul stole all the rest of his depositors coins after bizarrely and seemingly arbitrarily releasing several types of altcoins.

As the developer of casinocoin, we have considered two possible options to recover those coins. The first was to identify cryptsy's wallets, make them unspendable, and generate new coins to distribute to those who could prove their casinocoin balances. We chose not to do this because of the requirement for a hardfork and we would like to urge Cryptsy to return casinocoins to their rightful owners. The second option was to create a new coin and kickoff a program of exchanging current CSC for a new blockchain one by one with personal verification. Paul and anyone associated with Cryptsy or their shill bankruptcy would not be allowed to participate in this and ultimately the coins cryptsy is holding would cease to exist. This is an option that I would still be open to, but again I would rather avoid any sort of centralized action and would rather give those clowns some time to do the right thing and return the CSC to their rightful owners. However, they should be aware that any altcoin could decide to take back their coins trapped in Cryptsy if they decide to do so as a community. The dev can produce a wallet to recover them and the community can endorse the action by the majority simply adopting the modified wallet. If you want this, talk to your devs. Get your coins back. The BTC, LTC, DOGE, whatever holders that were robbed. You're not likely to get anything back if these altcoin communities want their coins back anyway.

There is a big difference between a neighbor and an insolvent company facing lawsuits.

Their customer's assets are not Cryptsy's assets.
legendary
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Perhaps we should notify exchanges of these transactions? btc-e, kraken, etc?

P.S. I think there's a good chance the hacker is following this thread, and may even be participating.

Of course he is. Hacker is Vernon and he reads it daily.. how else would he know to change bitebi9 details from Bao to his chinese mistress (which he abandoned his US wife and kids for). How else would Horus, Mullick, Jshock and the others get their info so they can try and protect themselves from the bs they brought on their customers. They only read this thread because they are at the exposure stage and try to downplay what was done.

JShock or Cryptsy_Jim still hasn't given us the plausable story that cryptocracker gave them. JShock complains that people just accuse and put shit on others and don't ask questions. People have repeatedly asked him to give the story that made Paul Vernon think it was plausable.

So lets ask it a final time.

JShock.... or Cryptsy_Jim if you prefer. WHAT was the plausable story that cryptocracker gave Paul Vernon that you were privy to that made him think it was legit? You owe this to the customers whos funds you lost, so please enlighten us or have you gone dark again until another big thing comes out?




How else would DCGirl know that the name Susan Wilson is affiliated with her, hence her coming here ASAP to ward off the connection.

All in all, we've witnessed a long con, with Paul Vernon claiming to have gotten in Bitcoin in 2011, then taking a break, with Cryptsy being registered on 2012-02-09T17:45:01.00Z, Paul supposedly not being active again till early 2013 tinkering in Litecoin, then creating a few pools, to bringing Cryptsy to life in less than two months with BitJohn being a cheerleader for the new dude (Paul) on the scene while he (BitJohn/John Hammes) supposedly being in a war zone in Afghanistan playing Cryptsy support sans pay because he thought it was fun, only to later vacant his paid position because ... wait for it... he wasn't being paid enough for ALL the fuckin' work he was doing, his exit coinciding with the divorce filing, with same true for most other higher-ups except Horus, living comfortably numb in the fully paid for condo office-cum-residence on Cryptsy's dime... make that Cryptsy's users' dimes.

Iam sure you are right that DCGirl read these posts - her quick reaction prove it, but is she really Susan Wilson? That woman is first class scammer,playing only with big boys(multi-millioners and billionaires).What could she provide to Vernon? Maybe some rich investors,but did not find that any of them were interested for Cryptsy.Except that name for a game Whack a Troll, did not find any real connection.

When I read about Susan Wilson,how she cold blooded using her own children for scamming people,there is no doubt that she is cold,very eloquent,very secure,highly focused and ruthless person which achieves goals by any means neccessary - true machiavellian type of person.On the other hand DCGirl posts are talking that she is quite different - she is also smart,but insecure person,much more emotional.It seems that she had almost fatalistic point of view,that is inevitable that one day she will find her name on this forum - like people convicted to death sentence waiting for a day when executioner will come for them.


But,now when court gave receivership of Cryptsy to plantiffs,I expect that one of first things will be to publish full list of Cryptsy employees,time period of theirs work and salaries.Then we will know all their true identities for sure.Maybe we even see episode dedicated to Cryptsy on BLACKLIST TV serie - BITEBI BITE Cheesy


I dont know if you see mine post from last week,when I put identity of Cryptsy main financial person Roman Almanza who worked on Cryptsy to the last days:



I found that 4 persons left to work on Cryptsy to the very end - Jim Shockney,Horus,Mullick and I thought that 4th would be DC Girl.

I was wrong,4th person was Roman Almanza,Senior Financial Analyst,the person who was responsible for all finances on Cryptsy and the one who knows all about Cryptsy money operations.He could be valuable witness.

He first studied business and financial administration in Saratov,Russia and interesting thing is that he appears by two different names - Dmitry R Almanza and Roman Almanza.




http://www.indeed.com/r/Roman-Almanza/450c10f4bc30d741#_ga=1.7364658.1263527337.1459745828







WELL DONE @thunderJet

DCGirl is not the nasty Susan Wilson, who, indeed, labeled her own sons as "mean" to get sympathy for her daughter's fundraising scamola.
legendary
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I’m hearing some stray reports, is it possible cryptsy alts being placed for sale on bittrex right now?

Check this out  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14494331
Thx for that. 200 million DGB turned up there today. Don't know where from as yet. Seems like a strange place to put it!
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I’m hearing some stray reports, is it possible cryptsy alts being placed for sale on bittrex right now?

Check this out  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14494331
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