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Topic: [Cult of Lauda] An historic peace: Rome’s treaty with Carthage - page 5. (Read 2087 times)

Vod
legendary
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Licking my boob since 1970
I posted that if someone has what I view to be a serious concern, I will allow it to be unlocked as long as I am confident the person isn’t trolling or causing drama.

Vod:  QS, what did you do with the 20btc TF sent you to sue me?
QS:  I returned it.  I want to be a good person.
Vod:  What is the trans ID?
QS:  You are a troll.  (relocks thread)

I don't believe "Counters" work anymore, so QS - Can you please ask Ognasty to remove his frivolous negs on me? I removed my negs on him & sent him a peace PM stating I did not want to fight anymore and we should just try and be better to everyone..... And he just left his negs and never replied... Roll Eyes

TECSHARE - I removed my neutral on you as well. Roll Eyes

OG won't return the money he stole from pirate that was for the community; QS won't return the money he made scamming.  Looks like this is the place to steal with no consequences.  Smiley

Forgive me if I wait to see where this is going...
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I did not put any conditions on my apology to Lauda. Nor did I make demands after the fact. It was an acknowledgement that I was in the wrong.

I believe the purpose of this thread is to further the descalation of the trust system, which is something theymos has been pushing for a long time now. (In addition to the stated purpose of the thread).

If you currently have red trust, I would suggest you make any victims whole. If you don’t have any victims, you should make an effort to descalate the situation yourself. There is no reason to waste time on unnecessary drama, even if you believe to be in the right. If you have what you believe to be unfair red trust, I don’t think it would be abusive to ask for a temporary counter while you try to get your red trust removed. 

I can’t speak for Lauda, but I don’t believe he has any corrupt intentions in creating this thread.

Are you now claiming that Laura is trustworthy and their account should be red trust free?
What lauda did was wrong, and was a display of poor judgement. With that being said, what happened, happened a long time ago, I have good reason to believe lauda is remorseful for what he did, and to my knowledge he has not made a similar mistake since. I have left the extortion thread unlocked, and it will remain that way provided no trolls bump it to stir up drama.

I have also witnessed lauda making an attempt to gain consensus on potentially controversial red trust before handing it out.

I would say there is enough observable evidence that it is appropriate for me to remove my tag on lauda. I don't think many people are unaware of lauda's past, and with or without red trust, anyone is free to decide if they want to trust him or not.   

This clearly appears to be an arrangement. Anything you claim to have said or did not say to Laura is not verifiable. It is foolish to believe that staying you did not make a deal proves that it didn't happen ?
The burden of proof is on the accuser. Feel free to present evidence my statement is incorrect.

QS - Can you please ask Ognasty to remove his frivolous negs on me? I removed my negs on him & sent him a peace PM stating I did not want to fight anymore and we should just try and be better to everyone.....
I sent him a PM with a recommendation that he remove his negative rating.
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If you don’t do PGP, you don’t do crypto!
I did not put any conditions on my apology to Lauda. Nor did I make demands after the fact. It was an acknowledgement that I was in the wrong.

Cherry-picked as something that ought be highlighted.

I can’t speak for Lauda, but I don’t believe he has any corrupt intentions in creating this thread.

I can’t speak for Lauda; but I would guess she saw what I did, i.e. that you could have no ulterior motive for reaching out with that apology, when you had...

...no assurance (or even rational expectation) that the reply will not be, “Too little, too late; go die in a fire”?  It actually takes some sincerity and courage to do that.

I, for one, believe you, at least on that point (and it’s an important one).  See below for further analysis.



Per my own motto on the subject:  “The harshest judges need the wisest judgment.”

An important point to note:  I argue the following from my own perspective.  As I recently observed elsewhere:

I must note the mutual distrust, in fairness to Quickseller:  I have obviously and unapologetically always been on Lauda’s side in that dispute; and I must recognize that Quickseller had his own perspective on that, even if I think his perspective was dead wrong.



The Quickseller case is unique:  Downfall from grace;—now, possible redemption?

Fact beats detective novels:  A respected member of the community rapidly became the forum’s most-distrusted virtual leper according to BPIP way back when.  The rigorous application of forensic authorship identification left people feeling deeply betrayed by someone who had been so trusted.  The individual in question then seemed as if he had embraced the lifetime devotion to revenge once sworn by the boy-Hannibal to his father:  “I will use fire and steel [and much forum badness that nullius will hereby avoid mentioning on a thread about peace] to arrest the destiny of Rome.”

I believe that Quickseller is a highly intelligent individual which is precisely why I previously saw him as very dangerous (in comparison to just some dumb troll, of which there are many).

O, he of Punic faith!

Quickseller would never have been so widely despised, if he had not previously been so widely admired.  From my limited knowledge of forum history, most of the few users who had a downfall of such magnitude had done bannable offenses, and were banned.  He hadn’t, and he wasn’t; and so he went on the warpath with few friends, and many enemies.  His Nemesis:  Lauda.

With this new détente, can Quickseller completely turn things around for a rise as spectacular as his downfall?  Time will tell:  In reputational matters, it is far easier to destroy than to rebuild.

I am curious to see what Quickseller may choose to build on this forum going forward.

In this circumstance, I don’t think it’s appropriate for anybody with a Lauda tag to suddenly come crawling out of the woodwork with vociferous complaints in the “peace” thread.  Those who do so, are only thus proving that they lack the sincerity that Quickseller has shown, as described below.  Indeed, it is trolling with flamebait; and moreover, it is offtopic:  What does any of this have to do with Quickseller, or with Lauda’s announcement of peace with Quickseller?

http://loyce.club/archive/posts/5379/53799851.html
Now only to get to the other dozen or so people you attack...

[...] I would not hold out much hope for any kind of peace with TECSHARE when he himself reacts to others’ newfound amicability by trying to start a fight.


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https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/truth-or-dare-2758665
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P.S. I am not buying this spirit of forgiveness crap, maybe the OP wants to run some shit with an ex-scammer and wishes to take off the baggage or whatever.

ibminer, that was meritorious?  The edit apparently occurred within the 10-minute (?) period in which the post does not show an edit time.

allahabadi, you evidently do not know Lauda very well.  I would suggest that bad people should try to corrupt her into such a conspiracy, because it is a probably a good way for them to earn red-tags.  Anyway, what “shit” would you expect for Lauda to “run”?  Selling pills, maybe?



The Quick Question

I will hereby present some evidence of the sincerity of Quickseller’s motives that I myself found significant, but I did not previously intend to ever discuss publicly.  For the record, I noticed similar things that I will not mention here:  I consider myself to be an astute observer, who sees what others do not; I do not want to write a guidebook for manipulative types to show me what I want to see.  (And to any impartial observer, the following will speak for itself as to my wisdom.)

The prelude to this thread really began here:

Topic: @PrimeNumber7 is an alt account of @Quickseller
Subject: I am not Quickseller.
Merited by nobody—but I presume, not unnoticed by Quickseller.
Sorry...


On principle, I will not become Quickseller for the purpose of smacking down alleged Quickseller alts.

In the same thread, I also brought out other old “Quicksy” quotations for the purpose of telling others that they should avoid following that example.  As I am (or was) wont to do, I also ridiculed old Quickseller quotes in a few other places; but nowhere else did that so neatly intersect with the topic of a controversy which surely must have caught Quickseller’s attention.  And golly darn, what will I now do without “Quicksy” as a rhetorical foil representing all ills of the forum? ;-)

Whereupon, I observed, inter alia:

  • Quickseller’s only plausible direct motive to suddenly retract a thread that hadn’t been bumped in eleven months, which nobody else was discussing, was that he sincerely realized it was wrong, and he was ashamed of it.

    It could not plausibly have been a trick, for a reason that I recently stated in another thread:

    ...suddenly, publicly, unilaterally apologize... for years-old threads, with no assurance (or even rational expectation) that the reply will not be, “Too little, too late; go die in a fire”?  It actually takes some sincerity and courage to do that.

    I would not accuse Quickseller of expecting for Lauda to treat him kindly.  And had Lauda wanted to reject his apology, then I myself would have backed her unequivocally on the principle that after all he did, she had the right to say, “too little, too late”.  It was an awfully big risk for Quickseller, with no sure reward but to assuage his own conscience.
  • Although I agree with Lauda that PrimeNumber7’s identity is not proved either way, I think that Quickseller’s behaviour at the sidelines of that controversy is circumstantial evidence that they are probably two different individuals.

    Quickseller is proud.  He would not eat humble pie for Lauda just to protect his own work building an alt identity:  Instead, I expect that he would ruthlessly counterattack, as he has done many times before when others wrecked his deceits.  But if another person were being smeared with what I called “Quickseller-stench”, using what I identified somewhere as “Quicksold” twisted logic, then that may cause him to rethink some of his past behaviour—as he did, within 48 hours.

    (All the moreso if they may be separate people who know each other IRL—which would be none of anybody’s business, except insofar as it may explain the thin evidence connecting them.  However, I do think that Quickseller may have behaved similarly, if PrimeNumber7 were just an innocent stranger who got blindsided by being pinned with the Quickseller stigma.  In that case:  “WTF, now some poor random bloke is getting torched with an accusation of being me!?  I am sincerely sorry that I made similiarly wrong accusations in the past.”)

    This, in turn, is evidence that his motives are sincere:  The whole scenario invoked remorse in him, and he acted accordingly.

    (N.b. that analysis of PrimeNumber7’s identity is off-topic here; thus, I have confined the foregoing to a narrow discussion of what reasonable inferences may be drawn about Quickseller’s motives for apologizing to Lauda.)

Because this is an Internet forum (sigh), I must state explicitly that none of the foregoing evidence is conclusive, and all of it must be weighed carefully.  Together with my other observations, it is sufficient evidence for me to consider Quickseller to be prima facie sincere, absent contrary evidence.



The Acts of Quickseller

I'd like to see an explicit statement of what you have done in the past which was not best for the community. And then, maybe provide some examples on what you would "believe to be best for the community" moving forward?

Although your questions are reasonable, I respectfully suggest that this is a long-term question—and one of acts, not words.

For Quickseller to publicly browbeat himself in some ritual ceremonial apology is neither necessary nor sufficient; and for my part, I am more hopeful because I don’t see him making grand promises for the future.  Talk is cheap.  “Time will tell.”

I have noticed that quietly, without fanfare or pretense, Quickseller has recently retracted some of the dirt he slung out against a few other people—not only the pill thread against Lauda (which was only on everybody’s minds because I myself had recently been calling attention to it).  That is a good sign; I hope he that will do more of it, and do it right quickly.  I say “hope”, because the best thing about his apology to Lauda was that it was of his own initiative, unrequested and unexpected.  I would not give him so much credit, if he were to mouth a bunch of apologies just because someone told him to.

After having swum in a sea of red for years, how high a standard can Quickseller set for himself here?

To be clear, I am not trying to rehabilitate Quickseller:  That is up to him.  —Up to him, as he stepped up of his own initiative to amends with Lauda.  My position is actually a fair bit harder than yours, ibminer:  I simply step back and watch him do what he wants.  I will pass my judgment on the results of him acting of his own free will.  I hope that I will be suitably impressed.  It will not hurt my feelings if I am not.

I am probably the most unforgiving person on this forum;

Quickseller was never a simple troll.  (I always accused him of worse in the sense of “evil mastermind”; but that is beside the point.)

In the long term, for my part, I couldn’t care less either way about whatever vision Quickseller now sets forth for doing the “best for the community”.  I want to see it.  If he does good things, then I will applaud that!—if he does bad things, then I will urge others to treat him a thousandfold as harshly as they did before, with no third chances—and if he does nothing, then he will just fade to grey as a moderately interesting has-been who, at least, is no longer widely hated.  Meanwhile, I will treat him with a judicious neutrality.  Fair enough?
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This seems to be a clear case of red trust trading. You can not claim a member is dangerous and scammy, then remove their tags and request that they remove your tags which they have applied for reasons they have stood behind.

This behavior must be stopped. It is calling into question the entire forum's ethics.

No. It is not, you obviously know zero about the history of anything we are talking about, so fuck off. Roll Eyes

I have to agree, (and not because the scammer gave me a neg rating and he's DT1), this is a ponzi. I even felt scammed when as a newbie I bought 5 minted seats. I think in a  year or two of having the coin, it maybe had 5 bucks of btc on it. I sold it once I realized this was all just a large (and quite old apparently) scam - This guy doesn't even believe in BTC, he counts everything in USD to make it seem all prettier.

Hey OG - what exactly do you need more time for? Newbies to fall for your scam and buy more seats so you can increase payouts? Oh wait, sounds like a ponzi Huh

Also, you always mention that people should be doing more for the club. What exactly, other than running a miner or something? Anything?Huh  Roll Eyes

Finally, people are starting to see the truth here... FFS, it's about time! Tongue

There are many more posts of you claiming OG is a scammer and dangerous. Now these warnings to other members should be removed, and he should remove the warnings he had placed in good faith against you?

This trade bartering must be prevented.

It is also true that the removal of your name on quickseller's extortion thread has resulted in your red tags on his account being removed?

This is not how the trust system should be used.

Trust is not a bartering and tool for leverage and manipulation. Stop it.
legendary
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This seems to be a clear case of red trust trading. You can not claim a member is dangerous and scammy, then remove their tags and request that they remove your tags which they have applied for reasons they have stood behind.

This behavior must be stopped. It is calling into question the entire forum's ethics.

No. It is not, you obviously know zero about the history of anything we are talking about, so fuck off. Roll Eyes
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I did not put any conditions on my apology to Lauda. Nor did I make demands after the fact. It was an acknowledgement that I was in the wrong.

I believe the purpose of this thread is to further the descalation of the trust system, which is something theymos has been pushing for a long time now. (In addition to the stated purpose of the thread).

If you currently have red trust, I would suggest you make any victims whole. If you don’t have any victims, you should make an effort to descalate the situation yourself. There is no reason to waste time on unnecessary drama, even if you believe to be in the right. If you have what you believe to be unfair red trust, I don’t think it would be abusive to ask for a temporary counter while you try to get your red trust removed.  

I can’t speak for Lauda, but I don’t believe he has any corrupt intentions in creating this thread.

I don't believe "Counters" work anymore, so QS - Can you please ask Ognasty to remove his frivolous negs on me? I removed my negs on him & sent him a peace PM stating I did not want to fight anymore and we should just try and be better to everyone..... And he just left his negs and never replied... Roll Eyes

TECSHARE - I removed my neutral on you as well. Roll Eyes

Thanks, peace out!

This seems to be a clear case of red trust trading. You can not claim a member is dangerous and scammy, then remove their tags and request that they remove your tags which they have applied for reasons they have stood behind.

This behavior must be stopped. It is calling into question the entire forum's ethics.
legendary
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I did not put any conditions on my apology to Lauda. Nor did I make demands after the fact. It was an acknowledgement that I was in the wrong.

I believe the purpose of this thread is to further the descalation of the trust system, which is something theymos has been pushing for a long time now. (In addition to the stated purpose of the thread).

If you currently have red trust, I would suggest you make any victims whole. If you don’t have any victims, you should make an effort to descalate the situation yourself. There is no reason to waste time on unnecessary drama, even if you believe to be in the right. If you have what you believe to be unfair red trust, I don’t think it would be abusive to ask for a temporary counter while you try to get your red trust removed.  

I can’t speak for Lauda, but I don’t believe he has any corrupt intentions in creating this thread.

I don't believe "Counters" work anymore, so QS - Can you please ask Ognasty to remove his frivolous negs on me? I removed my negs on him & sent him a peace PM stating I did not want to fight anymore and we should just try and be better to everyone..... And he just left his negs and never replied... Roll Eyes

TECSHARE - I removed my neutral on you as well. Roll Eyes

Thanks, peace out!
jr. member
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I did not put any conditions on my apology to Lauda. Nor did I make demands after the fact. It was an acknowledgement that I was in the wrong.

I believe the purpose of this thread is to further the descalation of the trust system, which is something theymos has been pushing for a long time now. (In addition to the stated purpose of the thread).

If you currently have red trust, I would suggest you make any victims whole. If you don’t have any victims, you should make an effort to descalate the situation yourself. There is no reason to waste time on unnecessary drama, even if you believe to be in the right. If you have what you believe to be unfair red trust, I don’t think it would be abusive to ask for a temporary counter while you try to get your red trust removed.  

I can’t speak for Lauda, but I don’t believe he has any corrupt intentions in creating this thread.

Are you now claiming that Laura is trustworthy and their account should be red trust free?

This clearly appears to be an arrangement. Anything you claim to have said or did not say to Laura is not verifiable. It is foolish to believe that staying you did not make a deal proves that it didn't happen ?
legendary
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Goonies never say die.
I do promise to not repeat previous mistakes and to always do what I believe to be best for the community.

Care to elaborate on what your "previous mistakes" were?  Are we just talking about your pill addiction accusation here??  I'd like to see some elaboration and explicit statements.

This appear to be a blanket statement which looks like word play to me. You don't even seem to call them your mistakes. For all I know, the "previous mistakes" you made were the ones that got you caught cheating people. Roll Eyes

I'd like to see an explicit statement of what you have done in the past which was not best for the community. And then, maybe provide some examples on what you would "believe to be best for the community" moving forward?
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I did not put any conditions on my apology to Lauda. Nor did I make demands after the fact. It was an acknowledgement that I was in the wrong.

I believe the purpose of this thread is to further the descalation of the trust system, which is something theymos has been pushing for a long time now. (In addition to the stated purpose of the thread).

If you currently have red trust, I would suggest you make any victims whole. If you don’t have any victims, you should make an effort to descalate the situation yourself. There is no reason to waste time on unnecessary drama, even if you believe to be in the right. If you have what you believe to be unfair red trust, I don’t think it would be abusive to ask for a temporary counter while you try to get your red trust removed.  

I can’t speak for Lauda, but I don’t believe he has any corrupt intentions in creating this thread.
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Let me guess, you can't post from your real account because you fear retribution from "Laura" and her gang? Or is it Quickseller's gang now...


My advice to you would be stop attempting to appear smart or funny. This is a serious issue and is damaging the credibility of our forum.

This red trust bartering is unacceptable and paints a picture of corruption and taint on this forum. It suggests both sides are to be prevented from influencing default trust scores.

I will push my own support to remove the old tagging system. It serves no further purpose here.
legendary
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Let me guess, you can't post from your real account because you fear retribution from "Laura" and her gang? Or is it Quickseller's gang now...
jr. member
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This appears to be a simple case of quickseller/primenumber accepting it must play ball with Laura and his gang. After Laura tagged PN, quickseller then started reversing the pill accusations, toning down the extortion case, and pretty much kissing ass. In return Laura removed the red from pn7 and owlcatz and others started following along.

Red trust bartering.

Both sides were convinced each other were not to be trusted as far as they could throw them only a few weeks back.

Just another clear example of how broken and fake the trust system is.



legendary
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I see everyone is relishing patting each other on the back over how tolerant and reasonable you all are. How about the several of you here patting each other on your backs remove your frivolous ratings you left for me as well? I won't hold my breath though, because as far as I see it, this is just a way to cheaply get some social credit to continue on with your abusive behavior elsewhere and with others. Kind of like when Vod pretends he is sorry and goes away for a week then does all the same things he was doing before.
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Waiting for Lauda to get over IT'S hangover  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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P.S. I am not buying this spirit of forgiveness crap, maybe the OP wants to run some shit with an ex-scammer and wishes to take off the baggage or whatever.
legendary
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Terminated.
Has he apologized anywhere or shown remorse or did he just stop doing the stuff he shouldn't be doing?
I am not aware of about his/her apology. And yes, he has stop doing the stuff he should not be doing (I think its been long time). Most likely he have chosen the way to prove it practically instead of verbal apology. And I think so its more worthy than verbal apology.    
Not being sorry for wrong actions in the past shows potentially compromised judgement (i.e. the user might still believe their actions were justified!), so your claim is actually backwards. An apology (not to me - to be clear) or being sorry/remorseful is the first step on changing your course towards the right path. Undecided I don't know about this user, I'll look when I have the time..
legendary
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Has he apologized anywhere or shown remorse or did he just stop doing the stuff he shouldn't be doing?
I am not aware of about his/her apology. And yes, he has stop doing the stuff he should not be doing (I think its been long time). Most likely he have chosen the way to prove it practically instead of verbal apology. And I think so its more worthy than verbal apology.     
legendary
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Terminated.
As far as I know, Lauda is the first person to call me "Switzerland", and the name has grown on me.
I did indeed!

Out of that topic, OP will you reconsider to visit jeremypwr feedback? I know he was involved with ponzi previously and that's why he got multiple negative feedback's. But lately he is doing well and out of such as ponzi schemes. Have noticed some DT's already reconsider with neutral feedback. Although I don't have personal relations with him but had worked with him long time on his campaign and he proved that he changed himself (IMO). So suddenly came on mind and expressed it. Hope you will revisit his profile.
Has he apologized anywhere or shown remorse or did he just stop doing the stuff he shouldn't be doing?
legendary
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I appreciate your decision, although sometimes I would not agree with QS but as you mentioned, he is intelligent. As a human there would be mistakes (small or big), likely no one out of that. But if someone hardly try to change their behaviour then they would deserve second chances. There is still so many negative feedback's on QS profile, not sure if they reconsider it. I know everyone's judgements wouldn't same. However at least we can say that it has begun to implement theymos's thoughts.


Out of that topic, OP will you reconsider to visit jeremypwr feedback? I know he was involved with ponzi previously and that's why he got multiple negative feedback's. But lately he is doing well and out of such as ponzi schemes. Have noticed some DT's already reconsider with neutral feedback. Although I don't have personal relations with him but had worked with him long time on his campaign and he proved that he changed himself (IMO). So suddenly came on mind and expressed it. Hope you will revisit his profile.
legendary
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As far as I know, Lauda is the first person to call me "Switzerland", and the name has grown on me. I've disliked the fights between veteran members on this forum for a long time, and I'd love to see it stop! I'm pretty sure most users can find something they like or dislike about almost anyone, and in most cases that only warrants neutral feedback.
I also never expected to see this happen, but I appreciate it. I think most of what caused QuickSeller's negative feedback happened "before my time here", and I've seen valuable posts from him since then.

Ever since I was a Newbie on Bitcointalk I've had the feeling anyone can easily get tagged for almost anything. That doesn't make the forum look very friendly from the outside. To grow, as a forum and as a coin, we need adoption from more users. It would be great if at least veteran users can get along a bit better Smiley
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