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Topic: CYRious Technologies - CYR Jackhammer $599 / 1.4TH/s - page 3. (Read 9805 times)

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The correct spelling of the word is advice
It also wasn't advice it was a question

The copious reference was to the unanswered questions not to the amount of orders from this forum
If you're going to paraphrase me at least keep it in the same context

That's fine then
Provide a link to all the references you have created to this product. I'm sure when we look through them all we can at least find a percentage of users that are interested. A fair number would be 30% of people publicly would mention they were interested in this deal and are going ahead with it

30% of 100 is 30 people.. nice round number
We'll all wait here while you do that shall we?


Crash, thanks for the advise, but with the "copious" number of orders coming from here, 2 other forums and reddit since my announcing the product starting friday night the only thing i am digging is my way into hitting my bonus in the first week of web relations, so i will continue on, through the trolling and whatever else and as each week goes by i will just be able to add a few more "i told you weeks ago you were an idiot" statements to my daily writings. In the mean time, as long as there are idiotic trolls, the thread stays near the top so i do not have to stay up around the clock to ensure its positioning.

Web presence started friday night, and not every website gets indexed and visited by googlebot as frequently as bitcointalk, probably why it has not shown more in google yet.
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A quick Google search of your product shows that the only reference to your product have been in this forum.
There are no other reference anywhere on the Internet before this date

https://www.google.com.au/#q=%22CYR+Jackhammer%22

So what you mean to tell us is that since your initial post of May 2nd.. There have been 100 people from this forum that have paid actual money or BTC for this device in lieu of the copious amounts of unanswered legitimate questions posed?

And to contrast those numbers against reputable group buy here
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closed-spondoolies-tech-sp30-pre-order-specs-069gh-046wgh-575499 which..

a.) Is completely transparent in regards to all it's transactions
b.) Has legitimate information and working prototypes of it's hardware
c.) has support of the majority of forum members

Which ran from April 18th to May 4th and got 386 parties to purchase their product
If you Google Spondoolies they have references all over the Internet and not just in these forums

Like I said for the sake of humanity itself now stop this.. Leave and come back when you have working prototypes
You're digging your own grave

Crash, thanks for the advise, but with the "copious" number of orders coming from here, 2 other forums and reddit since my announcing the product starting friday night the only thing i am digging is my way into hitting my bonus in the first week of web relations, so i will continue on, through the trolling and whatever else and as each week goes by i will just be able to add a few more "i told you weeks ago you were an idiot" statements to my daily writings. In the mean time, as long as there are idiotic trolls, the thread stays near the top so i do not have to stay up around the clock to ensure its positioning.

Web presence started friday night, and not every website gets indexed and visited by googlebot as frequently as bitcointalk, probably why it has not shown more in google yet.
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Thanks, awaiting more info on refund policy if any.  Hopefully early next week. Grin

I will make sure and keep you in the loop as soon as i get clarification from management. I got clarification from The Bitcoin Society on their Escrow Policy, By defult if miners do not ship my July 31st then your BTC is automatically returned, If at any time after your order you request a refund before shipping, you can be refunded your coins lesser the 1% escrow fee ( a small price to pay for the added security of escrow either way )

As for direct orders through the website, i am not 100% for sure yet on how they will handle refunds so i do not want to speculate.
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A quick Google search of your product shows that the only reference to your product have been in this forum.
There are no other reference anywhere on the Internet before this date

https://www.google.com.au/#q=%22CYR+Jackhammer%22

So what you mean to tell us is that since your initial post of May 2nd.. There have been 100 people from this forum that have paid actual money or BTC for this device in lieu of the copious amounts of unanswered legitimate questions posed?

And to contrast those numbers against reputable group buy here
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closed-spondoolies-tech-sp30-pre-order-specs-069gh-046wgh-575499 which..

a.) Is completely transparent in regards to all it's transactions
b.) Has legitimate information and working prototypes of it's hardware
c.) has support of the majority of forum members

Which ran from April 18th to May 4th and got 386 parties to purchase their product
If you Google Spondoolies they have references all over the Internet and not just in these forums

Like I said for the sake of humanity itself now stop this.. Leave and come back when you have working prototypes
You're digging your own grave
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Thanks, awaiting more info on refund policy if any.  Hopefully early next week. Grin
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Anyone know the connectivity?  It's not a standalone miner?  It needs to be connected to a host computer via usb 3.0 port.

No, not a stand alone miner, drivers will be made available and support CG and BFG. Their website is very premature and is not officially launching until next this coming Friday so the bulk of information is still not published. I pushed to start web relations early with the stance that a good share of customers dont care how fancy the website looks for a week while the developers finish. Which proved right as they have received now over 100 orders between escrow orders and direct web orders.

The drivers will be made available long before shipping begins, they operate like most other usb miners where you can connect several to a usb 3.0 hub and each is assigned a COM port.

The driver repository will be made available to developers who are developing software's which do not operate BFG or CG in the background, Much like most new hardware platforms i dont think it will be very long after shipping that drivers are made compatible for most every software host program.

The choice to go with USB in place of Ethernet was for ease of use, you can ask Dogie, 80% of the issues he helps people with in setup are people who cannot get their routers, modems or network switches configured to work with their hardware. As where USB is rather plug and play.

Step one: install driver
Step two: plug in hardware
Step three: start software and run hardware.

The one thing that is 100% for certain is that it will HAVE TO BE A USB 3.0 port or hub as every early simulated test shows a high % of share loss on 2.0 specs. it was explained to me a little better in a more technical fashion but all i really remembered was that it has to be 3.0 because 2.0 will not work.
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Anyone know the connectivity?  It's not a standalone miner?  It needs to be connected to a host computer via usb 3.0 port.
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I have been asked to issue a notice to customers until the web design team gets back into the office on Monday and updates the website. All orders placed through the website are automatically canceled if they are not funded or paid for within 60 minutes of the time the order is created. As there are often several "testing it out" orders with any hardware company and the web interface runs bitcoin-d in the background and generates a new address for each order, to avoid generating multiple addresses which are never used the backed cancels non funded orders after 1 hour and recycles the address after 72 hours. If you wait more than one hour to send payment you will be required to place a new order through the system

That's understandable had the same issue at another new "established" site but was acceptable because they were quick to refund my btc and kept  in contact through email.  Anyone who has ordered, any info on their customer service.  I'm closing my eyes and clicking my heels three times hoping for the best. 
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I have been asked to issue a notice to customers until the web design team gets back into the office on Monday and updates the website. All orders placed through the website are automatically canceled if they are not funded or paid for within 60 minutes of the time the order is created. As there are often several "testing it out" orders with any hardware company and the web interface runs bitcoin-d in the background and generates a new address for each order, to avoid generating multiple addresses which are never used the backed cancels non funded orders after 1 hour and recycles the address after 72 hours. If you wait more than one hour to send payment you will be required to place a new order through the system
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I am glad you agree it is a valid concern.

Email sent to 'The Bitcoin Society' I await their reply.

I must say though I don't really see any difference between giving you my money and giving them my money. The whole point of escrow is to use a trusted third party. I currently have no trust in 'The Bitcoin Society' for a few reasons.

-I have never heard of them before.
-They give no information as to who they are on their website or any of their posting here.
-Their website has only been active it seems since this year...only two posts in their blog...very sparse website

TBH it could be a one man operation... I mean I could make a website with that amount of content in my spare time since January...

Why should I trust them with my money more than you?

I cannot really answer that question for you Stevbenson, i am not asking you to trust "me" with your money, and although i had heard of the bitcoin society before, i have only used them as an escrow once so i dont have a ton of experience with them. I wish i had a better answer for you, but in all fairness that question is kind of like a loaded gun. I can speak on behalf of CYR, i am there at least 3 times a week and know most everyone there but I have only been told that The Bitcoin Society is handling escrow and do not know much more about them than my own 1 time personal experience. So i dont feel that i can rightfully "promote" their services. Although this is a second account which will be disposed of when my contract is up i still cannot blow smoke about a company i dont know much about. So the best i can really offer is that i used them one time, and things went ok.

Sorry i couldnt offer more
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better everyday ♥
wanna see where this goes

Me too, but only for comic relief.  Cool
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wanna see where this goes
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I'm sorry, is it suppose to be shocking that 2 companies can use the single largest domain registrar and hosting companies on the planet? that would be like me being shocked that my neighbor and i both own Fords. 80% of all domains registered come from either Melbourne IT or GoDaddy, and over 60% of all managed paid hosting services come from hosting services incorporated which operates under dozens of different names AN hosting, Midphase, etc.

Quick everybody run, there are companies who repetitively use the most cost effective options for their web services. For that matter, STOP USING BITCOINTALK.ORG because they use private internet access which is the same VPN that 90% of the companies who pop up with scams on this forum. or as anybody who has accidentally stumbled across bitcoinforum.com's webpage quickly learns that at least half of the scams that show up on this forum are administered by the leadership of this form. Resolving to the same DNS is one thing, Resolving to the same IP means websites are hosting on the same server, same block, same node, same drives for that matter.


Your domain reg argument is wrong.  Cite a source.  GoDaddy owns over 30% of the market, they aren't part of this discussion.  Melbourne retains far less than 10%.  

Hosting Services inc operates under 7 names, not a dozen.  As for bitcointalk and VPN, as well as scams - you have no proof of administrators facilitating more than half of the scams.

The odds are tiny, you're just spewing ambiguous statements.  Anyway, I'm done getting reverse trolled.

Ignoring this thread, if you actually deliver a spec miner, I'll apologize.

Until then, you're the one who can go suck a bag of dicks.
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What is the cooling system for the ASIC's? There is a picture of a small heat sink/fan on your website but surely this is not for the ASIC?

Hi Stevbenson,

You are correct the heatsink / fan on their slideshow is NOT for the asics, it is for the control board. The picture makes it look even bigger than it really is, that thing is tiny, like barley a few inches tiny. If i remember correctly the sample heat-sinks for the ASIC boards will be in this week and will be added to the photo roll and on the updates on their blog. From the sketch-ups i have seen the cooling system is a large radiator and fans unit that lines almost the entire case with a few blades also exposed on the bottom of the case itself. I will see if i can get the 3d models for you and send them to you in a PM sometime early this week like Monday or Tuesday, they have tons of 3d renders of most every component but they were trying to stay away from posting them all and stick to actual pictures of components to avoid all the "ooooo look at a 3d render scam" propaganda.  

If there is anything else i can help you with please feel free to PM me, it seems to be the preferred method of communication of people with honest inquiry's and will save you from having to scroll through the 20 pages of blather i am sure this thread will fill up with in the next few days just to find the answer to your questions.

Thankyou for your reply, I will prefer to ask questions in the thread in case othershave the same questions.

I think cooling your asics will be the toughest part for your design, when you say a "large radiator with blades" I get the picture the of metal blades being used as the heat conductors to the radiator? Indicating that is is not liquid cooled.

Is this right? No liquid cooling?



Correct, at this time their thermal testing algorithms do not show the need for liquid cooling, that is not to say that when the prototype heat-sinks arrive and are tested with a working unit that the design might not change to incorporate liquid cooling.

You are also correct that cooling was one of the biggest engineering obsticles in such a high power but small size unit, that and powering the unit itself.

I believe you that your simulations don't predict the need for liquid cooling but I would be perhaps questioning some of the assumptions in your model.

It seems to me that when I look at other ASIC miners out there it's a pretty simple design trait that determines weather it needs liquid cooling or not. This is the number of ASICs.

For example, look at the Bitmain/Spondoolies products they consist of hundreds of small ASICs and thus can get away with heatsinks and air cooling as the heat is spread out over the whole board. If you look at designs where one or two larger ASICs are used such as Cointerra, Hashfast ect these requied water cooling as the heat density is much greater in these designs.

TBH it looks like your design will probably need water cooling, I get that your chips are more efficiect then say cointerra/hashfast but we can still compare, I will use the cointerra box as an example as I know the specs of the top of my head. It uses 4 ASIC @ 2000W for 1.6Th/s lets sat the ASICS use ~70% of the energy this means each chip uses 350W, requires liquid cooling. Now your machine has 2 ASIC @ 450 for 1.4Th/s making the same assumptions you have 160W per chip...

Only half the power density of the cointerra chip... Interestingly the cointerra design was ment to use less energy than it does by a pretty big margin and they still designed it with liquid cooling originally.

Another design that was ment to be low power and not need water cooling is the fabled BFL 'Monarch', who knows what the specs will be when they finally release it but this suffered from the same design flaw as your machine. Very small case, and only two ASICs ment to use 350W for 6000Gh/s same assumptions as above means ~120W per chip (even less than yours) and they have since found that this needs water cooling on the ASICs.
 
I think not designing liquid cooling for the get go is a big mistake... Just like it was for BFL.

If your design does need liquid cooling this will add a big expense for you in terms of cooling systems and larger cases. And possibly delay your product significantly, tbh this is my major concern.
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LOL I just had to fucking post here. This scam is just too hilarious. The specs on the "Jackhammer" is 2 x CYR "DOZER" chips that runs 700GH each, ROFL. I'm new to ASIC hardware, but I sure as hell know that there is no single chip that can run 700GH. Also, "Size: 6.25" wide by 13" long by 3" high"... LOL! It's smaller than an antminer s1! Yet, somehow the sketch of the Jackhammer is nowhere near those dimensions besides it being 3" high. I also like the fact how OP thinks posting fake pics would erase everyone's doubts. Post video of hardware and hashing rates, otherwise GTFO.

Umm, Hashfast has chips doing over 800 there mate, and video will be coming soon. Also i remember a time not but 2 months ago when everyone was screaming that an 11 GH/s usb stick was IMPOSSIBLE, yet now i myself have bought over 30 of them in the past month. Come back in a few weeks and remind me of this post please so i can make a special video personalized just for you Smiley but then i want a public apology. i think that sounds like a VERY fair deal as you really have nothing to lose but a few minutes of time in a few weeks.

Lol, when did I say it was impossible? 2 months ago, it would probably of been impossible at that current time because there were none out. I have no doubt there will be higher hashrate in the future, but I'm talking about right NOW. I just checked hashfast and there are 800GH chips of 4 dies, BUT! It's .65 watt per GH, 800x.65 = 520 watts. You're claiming that your "Jackhammer" does 1.4THs with only 450w power which would make it around .31 watt per GH.

Also, the hashfast is 800GHs PER board, putting on a heatsink would easily make it 3" high already, yet somehow you're claiming to be able to fit 1.4THs in a small form factor? Get real.
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LOL I just had to fucking post here. This scam is just too hilarious. The specs on the "Jackhammer" is 2 x CYR "DOZER" chips that runs 700GH each, ROFL. I'm new to ASIC hardware, but I sure as hell know that there is no single chip that can run 700GH. Also, "Size: 6.25" wide by 13" long by 3" high"... LOL! It's smaller than an antminer s1! Yet, somehow the sketch of the Jackhammer is nowhere near those dimensions besides it being 3" high. I also like the fact how OP thinks posting fake pics would erase everyone's doubts. Post video of hardware and hashing rates, otherwise GTFO.

Umm, Hashfast has chips doing over 800 there mate, and video will be coming soon. Also i remember a time not but 2 months ago when everyone was screaming that an 11 GH/s usb stick was IMPOSSIBLE, yet now i myself have bought over 30 of them in the past month. Come back in a few weeks and remind me of this post please so i can make a special video personalized just for you Smiley but then i want a public apology. i think that sounds like a VERY fair deal as you really have nothing to lose but a few minutes of time in a few weeks.
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LOL I just had to fucking post here. This scam is just too hilarious. The specs on the "Jackhammer" is 2 x CYR "DOZER" chips that runs 700GH each, ROFL. I'm new to ASIC hardware, but I sure as hell know that there is no single chip that can run 700GH. Also, "Size: 6.25" wide by 13" long by 3" high"... LOL! It's smaller than an antminer s1! Yet, somehow the sketch of the Jackhammer is nowhere near those dimensions besides it being 3" high. I also like the fact how OP thinks posting fake pics would erase everyone's doubts. Post video of hardware and hashing rates, otherwise GTFO.
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This just links back to a common Web Hosting service

http://www.westhost.com/datacenter.html

No doubt the argument will be the likelihood of having two companies using the same web hosting not being outside the realm of possibility
Which is true but is circumstantial evidence..

All we need is demonstrable evidence this product exists and meets the claims.. that's it
I take it the OP understands what the word demonstrable means as well?

To quote Judge Judy.. “If it doesn't make sense, it's usually not true.”

# traceroute cyrminers.com

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# traceroute thebitcoinsociety.org

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