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RobertRibbeck
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Re: [DEAD] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too
September 10, 2012, 05:56:22 PM
#5390
Quote from: organofcorti on September 10, 2012, 05:51:06 PM
Quote from: RobertRibbeck on September 10, 2012, 05:06:27 PM
THANKS to all of you that convoluted the explanations with BS

I think everyone just assumed that since you have 155 posts and are not posting in the "newbie" DeepBit thread that they could post explanations that required a bit more knowledge than you have. No one was trying to make you look bad.

ASSUME  ass of u and me

I was just having an Alzheimer's moment and no one was explaining is SIMPLE ENGLISH
organofcorti
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Re: [DEAD] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too
September 10, 2012, 05:51:06 PM
#5389
Quote from: RobertRibbeck on September 10, 2012, 05:06:27 PM
THANKS to all of you that convoluted the explanations with BS

I think everyone just assumed that since you have 155 posts and are not posting in the "newbie" DeepBit thread that they could post explanations that required a bit more knowledge than you have. No one was trying to make you look bad.
RobertRibbeck
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Re: [DEAD] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too
September 10, 2012, 05:49:55 PM
#5388
Quote from: Shadow383 on September 10, 2012, 05:35:46 PM
Quote from: RobertRibbeck on September 10, 2012, 05:27:35 PM
Quote from: [Tycho] on September 10, 2012, 05:21:41 PM
Quote from: RobertRibbeck on September 10, 2012, 05:06:27 PM
I thought you found less shares with increased difficulty  NOT they were just worth less
Less blocks are found per MH/s or per given number of diff-1 shares when difficulty is high, but same number of shares per MH/s because difficulty is always 1 for shares.

See my edit below
Lovely. Was it really necessary to be such a tosser about this? It's a very easy system to understand.

and Just WHAT do we call YOU
comments like this are UNNECESSARY
basing on flames
not everyone understands or can explain to others

you on the other hand have been reported to the mods for you useless comments
regardless of how long you've been here and gotten away with such behavior

Have a nice life
Shadow383
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Re: [DEAD] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too
September 10, 2012, 05:35:46 PM
#5387
Quote from: RobertRibbeck on September 10, 2012, 05:27:35 PM
Quote from: [Tycho] on September 10, 2012, 05:21:41 PM
Quote from: RobertRibbeck on September 10, 2012, 05:06:27 PM
I thought you found less shares with increased difficulty  NOT they were just worth less
Less blocks are found per MH/s or per given number of diff-1 shares when difficulty is high, but same number of shares per MH/s because difficulty is always 1 for shares.

See my edit below
Lovely. Was it really necessary to be such a tosser about this? It's a very easy system to understand.
RobertRibbeck
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Re: [DEAD] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too
September 10, 2012, 05:27:35 PM
#5386
Quote from: [Tycho] on September 10, 2012, 05:21:41 PM
Quote from: RobertRibbeck on September 10, 2012, 05:06:27 PM
I thought you found less shares with increased difficulty  NOT they were just worth less
Less blocks are found per MH/s or per given number of diff-1 shares when difficulty is high, but same number of shares per MH/s because difficulty is always 1 for shares.

See my edit below
[Tycho]
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Re: [DEAD] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too
September 10, 2012, 05:21:41 PM
#5385
Quote from: RobertRibbeck on September 10, 2012, 05:06:27 PM
I thought you found less shares with increased difficulty  NOT they were just worth less
Less blocks are found per MH/s or per given number of diff-1 shares when difficulty is high, but same number of shares per MH/s because difficulty is always 1 for shares.
RobertRibbeck
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Re: [DEAD] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too
September 10, 2012, 05:06:27 PM
#5384
Quote from: kano on September 10, 2012, 04:46:31 PM
Quote from: RobertRibbeck on September 10, 2012, 04:31:39 PM
Quote from: kano on September 10, 2012, 04:25:19 PM
.00001670349 x 2694047.952955 = 45.000

So that means they are charging 10% for PPS - sounds about right.

Edit: and .0000184377 × 2440642.606916 = 45.000 also ...

Edit2:
Code:
197568	18:10:37 6-Sep-2012 UTC	0x1a063a38 (2694047.952955)
197567	18:10:24 6-Sep-2012 UTC	0x1a06dfbe (2440642.606916)

Care to explain WTF you said
The PPS rate is based on the difficulty.
The difficulty changed at block 197568 to 2694047.952955

What that means is that you have to mine (on average) 2694047.952955 difficulty 1 shares to find a block.
Since a block is made up (on average) of 2694047.952955 difficulty 1 shares and is worth 50 BTC, then each share (without fees) is worth 50/2694047.952955 = 0.000018559 BTC

The number of shares you find does not drop, the value of the shares drops.
You have been mining 1 difficulty shares ... always ... so no change in the average rate you find shares.

To reverse that you multiply the PPS rate times the difficulty to work out how much the pool is paying ...

.00001670349 x 2694047.952955 = 45.000 BTC

Thus the pool is paying 45BTC per block (PPS) = 10% fee

So it all makes sense.

so what you are saying as difficulty changes the number of share's per found bock is constant ??
It's just the pay per share changes

I thought you found less shares with increased difficulty  NOT they were just worth less

EDIT
  I think I just got it... difficulty increases ... it takes MORE shares to find a block (pays the same coins)
you still mine the same number of shares (a constant for your hardware...same hash rate)
but it's more shares to get the same payout

THANKS to all of you that convoluted the explanations with BS
Shadow383
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Re: [DEAD] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too
September 10, 2012, 04:47:08 PM
#5383
Quote from: RobertRibbeck on September 10, 2012, 04:41:06 PM
Quote from: fcmatt on September 10, 2012, 04:32:58 PM
Quote from: RobertRibbeck on September 10, 2012, 04:31:39 PM
Quote from: kano on September 10, 2012, 04:25:19 PM
.00001670349 x 2694047.952955 = 45.000

So that means they are charging 10% for PPS - sounds about right.

Edit: and .0000184377 × 2440642.606916 = 45.000 also ...

Edit2:
Code:
197568	18:10:37 6-Sep-2012 UTC	0x1a063a38 (2694047.952955)
197567	18:10:24 6-Sep-2012 UTC	0x1a06dfbe (2440642.606916)

Care to explain WTF you said

hah. i was expecting that.

as diff goes up.. you get paid less per share. the reverse is also true.

I'm not talking block to block ... I'm looking week to week ... month to month
IF the difficulty changed Why am I still seeing the SAME FOUND SHARES
if difficulty increases my shares would drop ... less shares for the same hash rate
this hasn't happened
Because you're solving difficulty 1 shares.
At a difficulty of 2694047.952955, it takes an average of 2694047.952955 of those shares to find a block. The amount of processing power required to find those shares doesn't change.
kano
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Re: [DEAD] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too
September 10, 2012, 04:46:31 PM
#5382
Quote from: RobertRibbeck on September 10, 2012, 04:31:39 PM
Quote from: kano on September 10, 2012, 04:25:19 PM
.00001670349 x 2694047.952955 = 45.000

So that means they are charging 10% for PPS - sounds about right.

Edit: and .0000184377 × 2440642.606916 = 45.000 also ...

Edit2:
Code:
197568	18:10:37 6-Sep-2012 UTC	0x1a063a38 (2694047.952955)
197567	18:10:24 6-Sep-2012 UTC	0x1a06dfbe (2440642.606916)

Care to explain WTF you said
The PPS rate is based on the difficulty.
The difficulty changed at block 197568 to 2694047.952955

What that means is that you have to mine (on average) 2694047.952955 difficulty 1 shares to find a block.
Since a block is made up (on average) of 2694047.952955 difficulty 1 shares and is worth 50 BTC, then each share (without fees) is worth 50/2694047.952955 = 0.000018559 BTC

The number of shares you find does not drop, the value of the shares drops.
You have been mining 1 difficulty shares ... always ... so no change in the average rate you find shares.

To reverse that you multiply the PPS rate times the difficulty to work out how much the pool is paying ...

.00001670349 x 2694047.952955 = 45.000 BTC

Thus the pool is paying 45BTC per block (PPS) = 10% fee

So it all makes sense.
RobertRibbeck
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Re: [DEAD] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too
September 10, 2012, 04:41:06 PM
#5381
Quote from: fcmatt on September 10, 2012, 04:32:58 PM
Quote from: RobertRibbeck on September 10, 2012, 04:31:39 PM
Quote from: kano on September 10, 2012, 04:25:19 PM
.00001670349 x 2694047.952955 = 45.000

So that means they are charging 10% for PPS - sounds about right.

Edit: and .0000184377 × 2440642.606916 = 45.000 also ...

Edit2:
Code:
197568	18:10:37 6-Sep-2012 UTC	0x1a063a38 (2694047.952955)
197567	18:10:24 6-Sep-2012 UTC	0x1a06dfbe (2440642.606916)

Care to explain WTF you said

hah. i was expecting that.

as diff goes up.. you get paid less per share. the reverse is also true.

I'm not talking block to block ... I'm looking week to week ... month to month
IF the difficulty changed Why am I still seeing the SAME FOUND SHARES
if difficulty increases my shares would drop ... less shares for the same hash rate
this hasn't happened
fcmatt
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Re: [DEAD] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too
September 10, 2012, 04:32:58 PM
#5380
Quote from: RobertRibbeck on September 10, 2012, 04:31:39 PM
Quote from: kano on September 10, 2012, 04:25:19 PM
.00001670349 x 2694047.952955 = 45.000

So that means they are charging 10% for PPS - sounds about right.

Edit: and .0000184377 × 2440642.606916 = 45.000 also ...

Edit2:
Code:
197568	18:10:37 6-Sep-2012 UTC	0x1a063a38 (2694047.952955)
197567	18:10:24 6-Sep-2012 UTC	0x1a06dfbe (2440642.606916)

Care to explain WTF you said

hah. i was expecting that.

as diff goes up.. you get paid less per share. the reverse is also true.
RobertRibbeck
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Re: [DEAD] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too
September 10, 2012, 04:31:39 PM
#5379
Quote from: kano on September 10, 2012, 04:25:19 PM
.00001670349 x 2694047.952955 = 45.000

So that means they are charging 10% for PPS - sounds about right.

Edit: and .0000184377 × 2440642.606916 = 45.000 also ...

Edit2:
Code:
197568	18:10:37 6-Sep-2012 UTC	0x1a063a38 (2694047.952955)
197567	18:10:24 6-Sep-2012 UTC	0x1a06dfbe (2440642.606916)

Care to explain WTF you said
kano
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Re: [DEAD] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too
September 10, 2012, 04:25:19 PM
#5378
.00001670349 x 2694047.952955 = 45.000

So that means they are charging 10% for PPS - sounds about right.

Edit: and .0000184377 × 2440642.606916 = 45.000 also ...

Edit2:
Code:
197568	18:10:37 6-Sep-2012 UTC	0x1a063a38 (2694047.952955)
197567	18:10:24 6-Sep-2012 UTC	0x1a06dfbe (2440642.606916)
fcmatt
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Re: [DEAD] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too
September 10, 2012, 04:23:48 PM
#5377
Quote from: RobertRibbeck on September 10, 2012, 04:06:45 PM
Quote from: [Tycho] on September 10, 2012, 01:51:25 PM
Quote from: RobertRibbeck on September 10, 2012, 10:17:15 AM
It's been over 2 days since deepbit changed his payout
WHY ??
What change are you talking about ? Nothing related to payment was changed.

EXCUSE ME

pay per share dropped from .00001843777 to .00001670349 at least 56 hrs ago

I've watch the payout drop for month after month while if it was the "difficulty" 
I can't see it here,  I'm still finding just as many shares .. with the same hash rate 
Just getting paid less and less for those shares



heh.

i will let deepbit admin answer this one.

RobertRibbeck
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Re: [DEAD] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too
September 10, 2012, 04:06:45 PM
#5376
Quote from: [Tycho] on September 10, 2012, 01:51:25 PM
Quote from: RobertRibbeck on September 10, 2012, 10:17:15 AM
It's been over 2 days since deepbit changed his payout
WHY ??
What change are you talking about ? Nothing related to payment was changed.

EXCUSE ME      "nothing related to payment"   

pay per share dropped from .00001843777 to .00001670349 (almost 10%) at least 56 hrs ago

I've watch the payout drop for month after month
if it was the "difficulty" 
I can't see it here,  I'm still finding just as many shares .. with the same hash rate 
Just getting paid less and less for those shares

[Tycho]
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Re: [DEAD] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too
September 10, 2012, 01:51:25 PM
#5375
Quote from: RobertRibbeck on September 10, 2012, 10:17:15 AM
It's been over 2 days since deepbit changed his payout
WHY ??
What change are you talking about ? Nothing related to payment was changed.
RobertRibbeck
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Re: [DEAD] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too
September 10, 2012, 10:17:15 AM
#5374
It's been over 2 days since deepbit changed his payout
WHY ??

I'm seeing higher hash rate and more found shares than previously
so why
[Tycho]
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Re: [DEAD] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too
September 09, 2012, 06:51:39 PM
#5373
Quote from: Shadow383 on September 09, 2012, 06:35:42 PM
What would you class as poolhopping in these circumstances? GPUMax purchases have been starting pretty well instantly, so what if, for example, I made a purchase and activated it when Deepbit solved a block? I could have maybe 100,000 shares all clustered towards the start of one particular round. Would that be enough to get the account blocked?
No, probability of false positives is extremely low. I don't think that it's possible.

I saw many "good" bursts from GPUmax and it was ok.
Shadow383
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Re: [DEAD] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too
September 09, 2012, 06:35:42 PM
#5372
Quote from: [Tycho] on September 09, 2012, 05:16:34 PM
Quote from: Shadow383 on September 09, 2012, 05:03:37 PM
Out of curiosity, why don't you allow GPUMax?
GPUMAX is allowed, but in this exact case someone tried to poolhop with that hashing power. Since GPUmax is (possibly) not allowing random destinations then it may be some other "project".
GPUMax is allowing random destinations, but I can't imagine your average hopping proxy would handle a full-bore GPUMax hit.

What would you class as poolhopping in these circumstances? GPUMax purchases have been starting pretty well instantly, so what if, for example, I made a purchase and activated it when Deepbit solved a block? I could have maybe 100,000 shares all clustered towards the start of one particular round. Would that be enough to get the account blocked?
[Tycho]
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Re: [DEAD] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too
September 09, 2012, 05:16:34 PM
#5371
Quote from: Shadow383 on September 09, 2012, 05:03:37 PM
Out of curiosity, why don't you allow GPUMax?
GPUMAX is allowed, but in this exact case someone tried to poolhop with that hashing power. Since GPUmax is (possibly) not allowing random destinations then it may be some other "project".
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