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JaredKaragen

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My AR-15 ID's itself as a toaster. Want breakfast?

Quote from: hacker1001101001 on June 21, 2020, 09:12:14 PM

This type of dump ChipMixer Legendaries always stir the subject with some nonsense information and perceptions, to keep up with their support and power as they feel weak and on the other hand they are not afraid of publicly asking justice fighter's to keep their mouth shut to begin with. Pretty Toxic in its own way.

I 100% feel the sentiment.... which is why I typically stay out of it unless I notice something that needs pointed out.

hacker1001101001

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Quote from: JaredKaragen on June 21, 2020, 08:44:48 PM

Quote from: DooMAD on June 21, 2020, 05:32:19 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on June 20, 2020, 06:17:58 PM

What we have isn't a "trust system" is it a "popularity system". It is amazing how desperate people like you are to make this about me while you simultaneously chastise for making it about me when I attempt to defend myself.

You are making it about you. People use the trust system to decide whose ratings they want to include and exclude, as they're perfectly entitled to do. Then you complain that everything they're doing is because they don't like you and that there should be rules in place to prevent people including and excluding who they want because apparently it's all a vendetta against you.

You accuse others of making it personal, they start accusing you of stuff and it becomes yet another shitty thread full of pointless drama. You wouldn't need to "defend yourself" if you hadn't opened the hostilities and just kept your mouth shut to begin with. Again, stop being such a try-hard. It's annoying. If you really do believe it's a popularity contest, you'd think you'd be smarter than to piss people off so readily. Please give it a rest.

To be fair: I have witnessed TEC's claim of trust abuse first hand in a recent thread.
Some of his claims are definitely correct; and my chain of calling out vod in two threads recently paints a clear picture of this exact type of abuse that happens.

I will leave it at that. Nothing more, nothing less. Take it as you will.

This type of dump ChipMixer Legendaries always stir the subject with some nonsense information and perceptions, to keep up with their support and power as they feel weak and on the other hand they are not afraid of publicly asking justice fighter's to keep their mouth shut to begin with. Pretty Toxic in its own way.

JaredKaragen

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My AR-15 ID's itself as a toaster. Want breakfast?

Quote from: DooMAD on June 21, 2020, 05:32:19 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on June 20, 2020, 06:17:58 PM

What we have isn't a "trust system" is it a "popularity system". It is amazing how desperate people like you are to make this about me while you simultaneously chastise for making it about me when I attempt to defend myself.

You are making it about you. People use the trust system to decide whose ratings they want to include and exclude, as they're perfectly entitled to do. Then you complain that everything they're doing is because they don't like you and that there should be rules in place to prevent people including and excluding who they want because apparently it's all a vendetta against you.

You accuse others of making it personal, they start accusing you of stuff and it becomes yet another shitty thread full of pointless drama. You wouldn't need to "defend yourself" if you hadn't opened the hostilities and just kept your mouth shut to begin with. Again, stop being such a try-hard. It's annoying. If you really do believe it's a popularity contest, you'd think you'd be smarter than to piss people off so readily. Please give it a rest.

To be fair: I have witnessed TEC's claim of trust abuse first hand in a recent thread.
Some of his claims are definitely correct; and my chain of calling out vod in two threads recently paints a clear picture of this exact type of abuse that happens.

I will leave it at that. Nothing more, nothing less. Take it as you will.

Timelord2067

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Quote from: LoyceV on June 21, 2020, 02:41:24 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

... and do you feel I have added "the wrong" kinds of people?

I'll check a few, most of those names I don't recognize:

canton: hasn't left any feedback. He sold his trusted bitcoin paper wallet website to a scammer, so even if his judgement could be trusted in the past, I wouldn't trust it anymore.
doof: hasn't left any feedback
lavajumper: hasn't left any feedback
lyno: only left feedback to you (Trust selfscratching)
Nerull: hasn't left any feedback
miningpoolhub: hasn't left any feedback

There are more like this, I haven't checked them all. How can you Trust someone's judgement on feedback if they haven't demonstrated it yet?

Update: where did your post go?

Quote from: Timelord2067 on April 23, 2020, 07:46:01 AM

Update: where did your post go?

After I posted, I had a change of thought and was going to post something similar to what I've just written after I'd slept on it. Given you've asked the questions, the ball is now in play.

I would appreciate it if you could post an update of my list of persons I trust post today's updates please?

Have I missed anyone?

Any questions?

peloso

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all the manipulations are just a defensive reaction due to the massive manipulations by the Elk, Suchkamun, Lauda, Lafu, Tman and other gandons who excluded me
in my case, you need to look for causal relationships

exclusions and the all trust system does not affect my relations with partners and in the trade, no one of them interested feedback, they trusted and continue to trust me.
In theory, this may affect potential partners of newbies, but the specifics of my activity are such that me don't need newbies

so the trust system is very corrupted game system

DooMAD

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Leave no FUD unchallenged

Quote from: TECSHARE on June 20, 2020, 06:17:58 PM

What we have isn't a "trust system" is it a "popularity system". It is amazing how desperate people like you are to make this about me while you simultaneously chastise for making it about me when I attempt to defend myself.

You are making it about you. People use the trust system to decide whose ratings they want to include and exclude, as they're perfectly entitled to do. Then you complain that everything they're doing is because they don't like you and that there should be rules in place to prevent people including and excluding who they want because apparently it's all a vendetta against you.

You accuse others of making it personal, they start accusing you of stuff and it becomes yet another shitty thread full of pointless drama. You wouldn't need to "defend yourself" if you hadn't opened the hostilities and just kept your mouth shut to begin with. Again, stop being such a try-hard. It's annoying. If you really do believe it's a popularity contest, you'd think you'd be smarter than to piss people off so readily. Please give it a rest.

LoyceV

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Quote from: ?? on ??

... and do you feel I have added "the wrong" kinds of people?

I'll check a few, most of those names I don't recognize:

canton: hasn't left any feedback. He sold his trusted bitcoin paper wallet website to a scammer, so even if his judgement could be trusted in the past, I wouldn't trust it anymore.
doof: hasn't left any feedback
lavajumper: hasn't left any feedback
[lyno: only left feedback to you (Trust selfscratching)

Nerull: hasn't left any feedback
miningpoolhub: hasn't left any feedback

There are more like this, I haven't checked them all. How can you Trust someone's judgement on feedback if they haven't demonstrated it yet?

Update: where did your post go?

LoyceV

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Quote from: nutildah on June 21, 2020, 12:14:46 AM

My opinion is that those who include Peloso have questionable judgment when it comes trust system use. They are letting this guy drag the whole system down for the sake of having an additional inclusion. Surely they don't actually think he demonstrates good judgment when it comes to forming a trust list.

Adding the wrong people to your Trust list for a short-term inclusion means that long-term, you'll loose inclusions from the right people.

Peloso has so many mutual inclusions:

Quote from: marlboroza on June 19, 2020, 12:55:27 PM

Quote from: LoyceV on June 19, 2020, 05:01:12 AM

So question: can you understand why I excluded peloso but not Last of the V8s?

I don't think you will get answer to this one

I was really hoping you'd be wrong, but it looks like you're right.

suchmoon

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Quote from: nutildah on June 21, 2020, 12:14:46 AM

My opinion is that those who include Peloso have questionable judgment when it comes trust system use. They are letting this guy drag the whole system down for the sake of having an additional inclusion. Surely they don't actually think he demonstrates good judgment when it comes to forming a trust list.

Another big factor is "you can't tell me what to do with my trust list". There are some users who don't need that additional inclusion but also don't want to be seen as giving in to some elk guy and... bitchmoon or whatever the fuck they called me.

Lafu

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Quote from: nutildah on June 21, 2020, 12:14:46 AM

From a different thread:

Quote from: efialtis on June 20, 2020, 03:39:21 PM

Peloso told me I should remove him from my distrust list or else he would distrust me and I would lose my DT 1 rank - funny side note, I didn't even realize I was DT 1 but of course I asked him what he wants to achieve with his pm - well, he sent 2-3 more blackmail pm's and then distrusted me - all I said then was "see, that's exactly why someone like you should not be on my trust list, you proved me right".

I don't understand why people continue to include Peloso in their trust list.

It's possible to believe Peloso is trustworthy without including him in your trust list. That's what positive feedback is for. He may very well be trustworthy when it comes to trades and business, but he is clearly bent on misusing DT.

My opinion is that those who include Peloso have questionable judgment when it comes trust system use. They are letting this guy drag the whole system down for the sake of having an additional inclusion. Surely they don't actually think he demonstrates good judgment when it comes to forming a trust list.

He has done that to many others also in the last weeks or months !
I got last year in December 2 Pms about to remove him from my Distrust list .
And how he has done in the last months and weeks he only has given a proof of dont understanding that all or realy was on his way to manipulate the DT.

nutildah

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From a different thread:

Quote from: efialtis on June 20, 2020, 03:39:21 PM

Peloso told me I should remove him from my distrust list or else he would distrust me and I would lose my DT 1 rank - funny side note, I didn't even realize I was DT 1 but of course I asked him what he wants to achieve with his pm - well, he sent 2-3 more blackmail pm's and then distrusted me - all I said then was "see, that's exactly why someone like you should not be on my trust list, you proved me right".

I don't understand why people continue to include Peloso in their trust list.

It's possible to believe Peloso is trustworthy without including him in your trust list. That's what positive feedback is for. He may very well be trustworthy when it comes to trades and business, but he is clearly bent on misusing DT.

My opinion is that those who include Peloso have questionable judgment when it comes trust system use. They are letting this guy drag the whole system down for the sake of having an additional inclusion. Surely they don't actually think he demonstrates good judgment when it comes to forming a trust list.

Vod

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Techy, leading by example is more powerful than a decade of complaining. Until you do that, I doubt you are serious.

TECSHARE

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First Exclusion Ever

Quote from: LoyceV on June 19, 2020, 05:01:12 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on June 19, 2020, 04:48:39 AM

I want there to be consistent, objective, and equitable rules, not purely a popularity contest which currently determines the current trust system.

I'm not against any of that

But I don't expect there will ever be "rules" for the Trust system.

And that's why it will remain broken because Theymos insists on leaving everything arbitrary, open to selective interpretation, and systemic abuse.

Quote from: philipma1957 on June 19, 2020, 12:46:22 PM

as do i, but I also want world peace, no racism ,more proper wealth distribution and the end of all pandemics.

None of which is very likely to happen.

Except all I am advocating for is some clear and objective standards, not anything as lofty as world peace.

Quote from: DooMAD on June 19, 2020, 10:27:08 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on June 19, 2020, 04:48:39 AM

I want there to be consistent, objective, and equitable rules, not purely a popularity contest which currently determines the current trust system.

"Equitable trust" sounds like some sort of financial group. Trust isn't meant to be equitable. Trust is earned. You aren't just entitled to it because you think you deserve it.

What you want doesn't come into it. The only thing that matters is who people trust and who people don't trust. If people don't trust you, there is no rule that can change that. So if you want something to change, maybe consider starting with your conduct.

Whether you choose to take this as a general observation or a personal attack is up to you, but I find the more people bitch about the trust system, the more suspiciously I view them. Maybe take a break from this little campaign of yours and stop trying so damn hard. You probably aren't doing your cause any favours in the eyes of others.

Weird you had to literally manufacture a quote there to make your point. I never said "Equitable trust". You aren't interested in what I actually said, only what you can re-frame my argument (AKA strawman) to mean so you have a hope of some semblance of having an argument against it. What we have isn't a "trust system" is it a "popularity system". It is amazing how desperate people like you are to make this about me while you simultaneously chastise for making it about me when I attempt to defend myself. If you got to be any more full of shit you would burst.

marlboroza

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Quote from: hacker1001101001 on June 19, 2020, 10:48:35 AM

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You are pure evil

Quote from: LoyceV on June 19, 2020, 05:01:12 AM

So question: can you understand why I excluded peloso but not Last of the V8s?

I don't think you will get answer to this one, techy will probably accuse you that you are part of the gang.

Quote from: LoyceV on June 19, 2020, 04:25:50 AM

He seems to be on a mission to improve the Trust system, I think his intentions are good, and he sticks to his believes even though many people seem to disagree.

Not really, T likes to add people to his trust list out of spite and he has long history of reciprocal inclusions AKA scratch my back and I'll scratch yours, not to mention baseless accusations against people he doesn't like. Everything is documented, you just have to read few topics and follow some links.

JollyGood

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This is an excellent post which basically captures the issue at the crux of the argument being put forward by disgruntled and disillusioned members along with the general motives behind those instigating any so-called campaign for change.

I think as was pointed out by a respectful member in another thread some time ago, TECSHARE seems to be adding and removing users on a reciprocal basis for ulterior motives probably based around trying to create a gang-within-a-gang to cause disunity here but having said maybe I should unIGNORE him and try to engage with him on some level such as the manner in which LoyceV is trying.

Quote from: DooMAD on June 19, 2020, 10:27:08 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on June 19, 2020, 04:48:39 AM

I want there to be consistent, objective, and equitable rules, not purely a popularity contest which currently determines the current trust system.

"Equitable trust" sounds like some sort of financial group. Trust isn't meant to be equitable. Trust is earned. You aren't just entitled to it because you think you deserve it.

What you want doesn't come into it. The only thing that matters is who people trust and who people don't trust. If people don't trust you, there is no rule that can change that. So if you want something to change, maybe consider starting with your conduct.

Whether you choose to take this as a general observation or a personal attack is up to you, but I find the more people bitch about the trust system, the more suspiciously I view them. Maybe take a break from this little campaign of yours and stop trying so damn hard. You probably aren't doing your cause any favours in the eyes of others.

philipma1957

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Quote from: TECSHARE on June 19, 2020, 04:48:39 AM

Quote from: LoyceV on June 19, 2020, 04:25:50 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on June 18, 2020, 04:18:07 PM

A quote literally answering the question you were presenting is not good enough?

I addressed that quote here and also in my follow up question here:

Quote from: LoyceV on June 15, 2020, 02:21:05 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on June 15, 2020, 02:13:09 PM

Last of the V8s is an official owner of an extra large tin of ball polish, he gets a pass.

I'm still unsure what exactly he's being accused of. Wiping his Trust list, using only DefaultTrust, and then making a new Trust list doesn't seem like such a bad thing to me.

I'm still not sure what you (@TECSHARE) are trying to say: do you want V8 to not get a pass? Or do you want others to get a pass too?

Quote from: JollyGood on June 18, 2020, 05:26:03 PM

I commend you and several other members that continue to engage with them in a civil manner even though you get next to nothing in return from them in simple coherent messages. I wish I had your temperament and patience to deal with these attention seeking good-for-nothing members that have created their own gang within a gang to cause disruption to the forum but it was easier for me to simply give up and IGNORE them all.

I've put some users on ignore, but TECSHARE isn't one of them, I don't consider him to be "bad". He seems to be on a mission to improve the Trust system, I think his intentions are good, and he sticks to his believes even though many people seem to disagree.

I want there to be consistent, objective, and equitable rules, not purely a popularity contest which currently determines the current trust system.

as do i, but I also want world peace, no racism ,more proper wealth distribution and the end of all pandemics.

None of which is very likely to happen.

hacker1001101001

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Quote from: DooMAD on June 19, 2020, 10:27:08 AM

Whether you choose to take this as a general observation or a personal attack is up to you, but I find the more people bitch about the trust system, the more suspiciously I view them. Maybe take a break from this little campaign of yours and stop trying so damn hard. You probably aren't doing your cause any favours in the eyes of others.

You probably know dump shit of what's happening around and your statement reflects to be selfish at most. Don't fall into the above Jolly Molly traps.

DooMAD

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Leave no FUD unchallenged

Quote from: TECSHARE on June 19, 2020, 04:48:39 AM

I want there to be consistent, objective, and equitable rules, not purely a popularity contest which currently determines the current trust system.

"Equitable trust" sounds like some sort of financial group. Trust isn't meant to be equitable. Trust is earned. You aren't just entitled to it because you think you deserve it.

What you want doesn't come into it. The only thing that matters is who people trust and who people don't trust. If people don't trust you, there is no rule that can change that. So if you want something to change, maybe consider starting with your conduct.

Whether you choose to take this as a general observation or a personal attack is up to you, but I find the more people bitch about the trust system, the more suspiciously I view them. Maybe take a break from this little campaign of yours and stop trying so damn hard. You probably aren't doing your cause any favours in the eyes of others.

LoyceV

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Quote from: TECSHARE on June 19, 2020, 04:48:39 AM

I want there to be consistent, objective, and equitable rules, not purely a popularity contest which currently determines the current trust system.

I'm not against any of that

But I don't expect there will ever be "rules" for the Trust system. The best we can do are guidelines (see mine or theymos').

So question: can you understand why I excluded peloso but not Last of the V8s?

TECSHARE

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First Exclusion Ever

Quote from: LoyceV on June 19, 2020, 04:25:50 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on June 18, 2020, 04:18:07 PM

A quote literally answering the question you were presenting is not good enough?

I addressed that quote here and also in my follow up question here:

Quote from: LoyceV on June 15, 2020, 02:21:05 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on June 15, 2020, 02:13:09 PM

Last of the V8s is an official owner of an extra large tin of ball polish, he gets a pass.

I'm still unsure what exactly he's being accused of. Wiping his Trust list, using only DefaultTrust, and then making a new Trust list doesn't seem like such a bad thing to me.

I'm still not sure what you (@TECSHARE) are trying to say: do you want V8 to not get a pass? Or do you want others to get a pass too?

Quote from: JollyGood on June 18, 2020, 05:26:03 PM

I commend you and several other members that continue to engage with them in a civil manner even though you get next to nothing in return from them in simple coherent messages. I wish I had your temperament and patience to deal with these attention seeking good-for-nothing members that have created their own gang within a gang to cause disruption to the forum but it was easier for me to simply give up and IGNORE them all.

I've put some users on ignore, but TECSHARE isn't one of them, I don't consider him to be "bad". He seems to be on a mission to improve the Trust system, I think his intentions are good, and he sticks to his believes even though many people seem to disagree.

I want there to be consistent, objective, and equitable rules, not purely a popularity contest which currently determines the current trust system.

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