Topic: DefaultTrust changes - page 40. (Read 85467 times)

I'm not drawing any conclusions, but currently 63.6% of the users who never lost the DT1-lottery have an "L" in their username

I think you are underestimating how far banned accounts and alts go within the current setup. I am thinking in the lines of: It may be a too drastic change to do all at once.

No longer banned: https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Bit-Exo.com

Here is the list of all users who are trusted by at least one banned member who has earned more than 10 merit:


All of them have enough inclusions to remain on DT1 without the banned user(s) votes. The closest anyone comes is SyGambler, who has 11 votes (9x 250+ and 2x 10+), and would lose one 10+ vote from Bit-Exo.com, or zazarb, who has 15 votes (3x 250+ and 12x 10+), and would lose one 250+ vote from vit05 and one 10+ vote from Skeptical One, leaving them both with the minimum number of votes needed.

Having said that, I obviously can't take in to account the fact that not everyone including these two users will necessarily be voting for them, due to the limits on the numbers of votes each user is allowed to cast. So it could very well be that the votes from the banned users are needed.

That list was last updated before the DT1-changes, and doesn't directly highlight banned users.

But BeEvil's vote isn't a deciding vote. Even without him you'd have more than enough votes left to be DT1.

Amsterdam time, CET. Currently 17:23h. In GMT it changes twice a year

I'll save you the trouble:

http://loyce.club/trust/ranking/131361.html


I have one banned user trusting me and no users who distrust me are in the banned list.  (I also have about eight or nine UID's who are black listed from voting that trust me).

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Is your changelog GMT +1 or GMT +/- 0 ??  I just noticed something in your list...

Those don't matter for DT1 voting.

If someone's up for it: here are links to the Trust inclusions for all 100 current DT1-members. I'd be interested to know if any of them received a deciding vote from a banned user:
     1. Administrator theymos (Trust: +29 / =1 / -0) (6581 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. Legendary TECSHARE (Trust: +47 / =6 / -1) (743 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. Donator OgNasty (Trust: +86 / =4 / -3) (781 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. Legendary SebastianJu (Trust: +26 / =0 / -0) (44 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. Staff malevolent (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (338 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. Legendary yxt (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (46 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. Donator qwk (Trust: +16 / =1 / -0) (1463 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. Legendary Vod (Trust: +28 / =2 / -4) (1452 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. Legendary Anduck (Trust: +20 / =2 / -1) (68 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. Legendary fronti (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (187 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. Global Moderator mprep (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (517 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. Legendary Foxpup (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (864 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. Legendary philipma1957 (Trust: +26 / =0 / -0) (1160 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. Legendary babo (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (434 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. Legendary peloso (Trust: +3 / =3 / -2) (131 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. Legendary ibminer (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (702 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. Legendary Mitchell (Trust: +41 / =1 / -0) (487 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. Legendary Timelord2067 (Trust: +8 / =4 / -0) (358 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. Legendary yogg (Trust: +28 / =0 / -0) (1294 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. Legendary by rallier (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (307 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. Legendary TheNewAnon135246 (Trust: +23 / =0 / -0) (858 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. Hero Member hybridsole (Trust: +21 / =0 / -0) (266 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. Legendary greenplastic (Trust: +51 / =0 / -0) (107 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. Legendary hedgy73 (Trust: +25 / =0 / -0) (69 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. Legendary Avirunes (Trust: +11 / =0 / -0) (277 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. Legendary buckrogers (Trust: +28 / =0 / -0) (135 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    27. Legendary Lesbian Cow (Trust: +42 / =0 / -0) (580 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    28. Legendary willi9974 (Trust: +5 / =0 / -1) (94 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    29. Legendary cryptodevil (Trust: +8 / =0 / -1) (175 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    30. Legendary suchmoon (Trust: +14 / =1 / -0) (3795 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    31. Legendary JayJuanGee (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (1436 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    32. Staff achow101 (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (2114 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    33. Hero Member teeGUMES (Trust: +14 / =2 / -0) (504 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    34. Legendary owlcatz (Trust: +46 / =0 / -1) (301 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    35. Legendary nutildah (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (1791 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    36. Hero Member JohnUser (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (210 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    37. Copper Member minerjones (Trust: +112 / =1 / -0) (1070 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    38. Staff sapta (Trust: +11 / =0 / -0) (180 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    39. Legendary tmfp (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (636 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    40. Legendary BitcoinPenny (Trust: +44 / =0 / -0) (665 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    41. Legendary yahoo62278 (Trust: +19 / =3 / -0) (1280 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    42. Legendary zazarb (Trust: +23 / =0 / -0) (483 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    43. Legendary LFC_Bitcoin (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (1731 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    44. Legendary ezeminer (Trust: +24 / =0 / -0) (96 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    45. Legendary SyGambler (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (544 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    46. Legendary bones261 (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (728 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    47. Legendary LoyceV (Trust: +26 / =2 / -0) (4874 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    48. Copper Member actmyname (Trust: +19 / =0 / -0) (881 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    49. Legendary WhiteManWhite (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (96 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    50. Copper Member LeGaulois (Trust: +3 / =2 / -0) (837 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    51. Legendary DarkStar_ (Trust: +45 / =1 / -0) (1242 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    52. Legendary asu (Trust: +8 / =1 / -0) (606 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    53. Legendary TryNinja (Trust: neutral) (1334 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    54. Legendary eddie13 (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (945 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    55. Legendary kzv (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (691 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    56. Hero Member ekiller (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (317 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    57. Legendary Jet Cash (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (1373 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    58. Copper Member bL4nkcode (Trust: +12 / =1 / -0) (395 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    59. Legendary Lafu (Trust: +9 / =0 / -0) (881 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    60. Hero Member Gunthar (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (110 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    61. Legendary Yatsan (Trust: +4 / =2 / -0) (545 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    62. Hero Member finaleshot2016 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (679 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    63. Hero Member xtraelv (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (1524 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    64. Hero Member Ale88 (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (252 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    65. Hero Member bobita (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (439 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    66. Hero Member imhoneer (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (401 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    67. Hero Member wolwoo (Trust: +2 / =2 / -2) (459 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    68. Legendary Blacknavy (Trust: +7 / =1 / -1) (873 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    69. Hero Member xenon131 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (560 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    70. Legendary roycilik (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (1297 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    71. Hero Member CryptopreneurBrainboss (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (1049 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    72. Sr. Member fzkto (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (193 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    73. Hero Member KTChampions (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (696 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    74. Legendary Steamtyme (Trust: +6 / =2 / -0) (1555 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    75. Hero Member Coin-1 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (739 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    76. Copper Member bavicrypto (Trust: +31 / =1 / -0) (143 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    77. Hero Member GreatArkansas (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (802 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    78. Hero Member Veleor (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (1361 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    79. Hero Member sheenshane (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (651 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    80. Legendary o_e_l_e_o (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (3576 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    81. Sr. Member 3meek (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (194 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    82. Hero Member iasenko (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (1672 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    83. Hero Member tvplus006 (Trust: +13 / =0 / -0) (1086 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    84. Hero Member gospodin (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (636 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    85. Hero Member coinlocket$ (Trust: +9 / =0 / -0) (1194 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    86. Hero Member dkbit98 (Trust: +9 / =1 / -0) (751 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    87. Staff mole0815 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (1034 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    88. Hero Member witcher_sense (Trust: +16 / =0 / -0) (1221 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    89. Hero Member DdmrDdmr (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (3418 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    90. Hero Member cabalism13 (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (840 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    91. Hero Member anonymousminer (Trust: +33 / =0 / -1) (637 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    92. Hero Member morvillz7z (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (1181 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    93. Hero Member fillippone (Trust: +8 / =1 / -0) (2484 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    94. Hero Member taikuri13 (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (1195 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    95. Hero Member abhiseshakana (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (1613 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    96. Hero Member madnessteat (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (942 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    97. Copper Member Coolcryptovator (Trust: +14 / =1 / -0) (1151 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    98. Copper Member TalkStar (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (522 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    99. Hero Member 1miau (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (1930 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   100. Sr. Member Ratimov (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (1039 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

...not the least of which because there are seventeen UID's that currently distrust you who are banned:


But just eight users who trust you who are banned:

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It's easy to call out Lauda when he is so contrite.

Fair point, albeit the use case for the former is really tiny. How many banned users actually stick around to read while logged in and use the trust system? I'd say next to none. Anyway, I would support the blacklisting of banned users from DT1-voting right away.

One solution would be to wipe their Trust list, but as far as I know, banned users can still edit their Trust list too. That might be too much though: banned users can still use the forum read-only, and they should still be able to choose who they trust.
So indeed, blacklisting banned users from DT1-voting would be better.

AFAIK banned user's votes count for DT1. Is there somewhere an explanation why this is?

Yes, and Sancho18 is his "son":

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52787727

Didn't I read somewhere a couple of weeks ago that be.open and sne.su are alts? Perhaps these are bumping another shill account?

Those users have never lost the "DT1 lottery":
     14 Jet Cash
     14 Lafu
     14 Lesbian Cow
     14 LoyceV
     14 Mitchell
     14 coinlocket$
     14 mprep
     14 o_e_l_e_o
     14 owlcatz
     14 qwk
     14 sapta
And now there are only 11 left.
Update: fillippone beat me to it

Removed:
    1. Staff gmaxwell (Trust: +11 / =0 / -0) (2279 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    2. Donator CanaryInTheMine (Trust: +30 / =0 / -0) (42 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    3. Administrator Cyrus (Trust: +12 / =0 / -0) (129 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    4. Staff Flying Hellfish (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (742 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    5. Legendary monkeynuts (Trust: +30 / =1 / -0) (258 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    6. Staff Welsh (Trust: +5 / =1 / -0) (894 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    7. Legendary TMAN (Trust: +28 / =1 / -2) (1301 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    8. Legendary jeremypwr (Trust: +13 / =2 / -0) (262 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    9. Staff dbshck (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (335 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   10. Legendary arulbero (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (514 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   11. Legendary mindrust (Trust: neutral) (882 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   12. Legendary Yaremi (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (63 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   13. Legendary dazedfool (Trust: +29 / =0 / -0) (124 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   14. Legendary Royse777 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (659 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   15. Legendary klarki (Trust: neutral) (164 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   16. Legendary The Pharmacist (Trust: +24 / =2 / -0) (2421 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   17. Legendary johhnyUA (Trust: +0 / =1 / -2) (739 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   18. Legendary TheFuzzStone (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (880 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   19. Copper Member crwth (Trust: +5 / =1 / -0) (545 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   20. Hero Member Kryptowerk (Trust: +30 / =0 / -0) (536 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   21. Legendary Vispilio (Trust: +7 / =1 / -3) (852 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   22. Legendary krogothmanhattan (Trust: +70 / =1 / -0) (1445 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   23. Hero Member JollyGood (Trust: +9 / =1 / -1) (517 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   24. Sr. Member Smartprofit (Trust: neutral) (361 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   25. Hero Member asche (Trust: +5 / =1 / -0) (962 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   26. Hero Member lovesmayfamilis (Trust: +16 / =0 / -0) (1141 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   27. Copper Member DireWolfM14 (Trust: +16 / =1 / -0) (1404 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   28. Full Member DIKUL (Trust: neutral) (149 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   29. Full Member zasad@ (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (775 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

New:
    1. Legendary SebastianJu (Trust: +26 / =0 / -0) (44 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    2. Staff malevolent (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (338 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    3. Legendary by rallier (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (307 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    4. Legendary TheNewAnon135246 (Trust: +23 / =0 / -0) (858 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    5. Legendary hedgy73 (Trust: +25 / =0 / -0) (69 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    6. Legendary buckrogers (Trust: +28 / =0 / -0) (135 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    7. Legendary cryptodevil (Trust: +8 / =0 / -1) (175 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    8. Legendary JayJuanGee (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (1436 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    9. Hero Member teeGUMES (Trust: +14 / =2 / -0) (504 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   10. Hero Member JohnUser (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (210 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   11. Legendary ezeminer (Trust: +24 / =0 / -0) (96 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   12. Legendary bones261 (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (728 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   13. Legendary WhiteManWhite (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (96 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   14. Copper Member LeGaulois (Trust: +3 / =2 / -0) (837 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   15. Legendary DarkStar_ (Trust: +45 / =1 / -0) (1242 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   16. Legendary eddie13 (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (945 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   17. Hero Member Gunthar (Trust: +9 / =0 / -0) (110 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   18. Hero Member Ale88 (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (252 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   19. Hero Member imhoneer (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (401 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   20. Hero Member wolwoo (Trust: +2 / =2 / -3) (459 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   21. Legendary Blacknavy (Trust: +7 / =1 / -1) (873 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   22. Hero Member xenon131 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (560 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   23. Sr. Member fzkto (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (193 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   24. Legendary Steamtyme (Trust: +6 / =2 / -0) (1555 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   25. Copper Member bavicrypto (Trust: +31 / =1 / -0) (143 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   26. Hero Member GreatArkansas (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (802 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   27. Hero Member tvplus006 (Trust: +13 / =0 / -0) (1086 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   28. Hero Member DdmrDdmr (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (3418 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   29. Copper Member Coolcryptovator (Trust: +14 / =1 / -0) (1151 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

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There's only one new user on DT1 who's name I don't recognize: fzkto. He's only left feedback once, how can these people trust his judgement on others based on that?

I seems to be a common theme that certain users here feel they can dictate who can and can not be included onto ones trust list. If they don't comply with demands they are labeled as "manipulating" the trust system. This is hardly the system Theymos designed that was intended to allow everyone to have a vote.

Who's in?
These users have never been excluded from DT1 (number of DT1 inclusions since March 2019)

The count is down to 11!

First time Exclusions:



January Exclusions (Fillippone Failed attempt at computing)
February Exclusions

DT1 update: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53944515


Edited 2020-11-30 to fix a broken image

It's not difficult if you know where to learn from:

LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system

EDIT: Damn, even on his mobile LoyceV is faster than me. I have this damn life that still keeps me away from the forum!

Please read https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/loycevs-beginners-guide-to-correct-use-of-the-trust-system-5191802 (scroll down for translations), it's my beginners guide for correct use of the Trust system.

Once you're confident, please create a new Trust list. You seem to have the right mind set to learn, which is appreciated.