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Topic: DeOS (by Razormind) is most likely a scam! EDIT: Ongoing investigation!!! - page 16. (Read 67163 times)

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Are many involved in filing with actionfraud? I went through all this with the Viper ASIC company before and years later it still has amounted to anything, hopefully this will be different.



Grossbit filed a complaint and Mailik acted as though authorities are involved but I don't know if that is true and to what extent.  I'm based in the States and when I try to look into reporting financial crime in the UK it all points to actionfraud.  Financial crime doesn't get a lot of attention from investigators but if enough people make noise then it does.  Considering the amount of BTC involved and vastness of the fraud (and what's with the DEOS DAO?), I'd hope they'd have a look.  As a journalist I'm sure you can get in front of someone to ask some questions.

Thanks for your kind reply and I appreciate the measured professionalism you are showing.  I know that as a reporter you can't come across with the emotion that we have here.  If you can reach out to Mailik and Vanbex (sp) I'd love to know more of that story. 
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Hello Astmandu and thanks for the polite and imformative reply. Yes I am privy to a lot more and will definitley be reporting on it. Believe me this isn't as straight cut as it looks as I'm sure you have noticed during your attempts to research before investing as a lawyer.

The business lawyer that is investigating and giving me legal advice on how to deal with this is a personal friend involved in this industry a long time and detests scams and fraud ruining the reputation of this industry. We have all worked hard for many years for nothing to help bring it to where it is today. He is not covering CoinTelegraph in all this, I believe that is my job as I was the journalist who was contacted and first reported on it. CoinTelegraphs hands are clean and no money was recieved by them or me! It was me who didn't do my due dilligence properly and ask for evidence of offices and a headcount of staff.

At that stage there was no evidence to even think the website was a copy of other legitimate companies, congrats to the poster who spotted that!

I also have no access to the platform as of yet like yourself but I see a guy on the Github page has and isn't impressed.

I have learned a massive lesson from reporting on this company Astmandu and don't believe I will ever touch a crowdfunding article ever again. Hindsight is a great thing and so much has came to light since that wasn't available to me then.

Are many involved in filing with actionfraud? I went through all this with the Viper ASIC company before and years later it still has amounted to anything, hopefully this will be different.

The business lawyer is also following this thread and I have no doubt he will take what you've said onboard and thank you!









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Hello Cryptodevil, it's a pleasure! This is Niall...

In regards to the claims of fraudulent misrepresentations from that company, all I can say at this stage is that according to lawyers this is a very complex case and at the time of publication of the last article, it couldn't be "legally branded a scam or fraud." This isn't to say that as more deep investigations are carried out & revelations discovered & connections made it won't turn out to be or hasn't already.

I appreciate what you are doing here, but ask for your patience as there are professional people looking into all of this who are more qualified than me & until they can "legally brand it a scam or fraud" no matter what my personal view I will wait for formal clarification from them before publicly stating so in an article.

I myself have invested 1 btc in this crowd sale, have never received a cent from that company for anything and will be updating things with more in depth details in the next article than in the first.

Keep up the good work!



Niall - I am glad that you are reporting on the matter but there is a lot that you were privy to and are in a much better position to know about, and I hope you write about that in the future.  

I am a lawyer but that really means nothing here.  What is a lawyer going to do for you except give cover to CT because it can't be "legally branded a scam"?  Oh well, we tried boys...but the lawyers don't agree!  Come on.  We all know that a lawyer sizes up a case and then proceeds with a lawsuit based on allegations.  The case may then go to court where trier of fact (judge/jury) looks at the evidence and then makes a judgment: yes or no as to whether it's a scam.  I used to prosecute consumer fraud cases.

Despite my knowing better, and my attempts to research the hell out of this company before investing, to include listening to that bullshit interview from long ago, I invested.  I know the risks in crypto and while I put down more than 1 BTC, I can afford to lose it.  I'm a big boy.  But to say you need professionals to weigh in after all the evidence of pure misrepresentation is really ridiculous.  What is needed is for UK authorities to put this mother fucker in jail.  He stole, plain and simple.  I and some others filed a complaint with actionfraud and encourage you to see if they will share what they are doing.

Again, focus on the representations. Start with the timeline of deliverables that the DeOS platform would have enabled by now.  Nothing has happened as represented.  Look at how he changed the contribution levels during the sale.  Early on he promised a list of things, a white paper included.  Nothing.  Look at how far past the date the crowdsale went so he could squeeze more BTC out of people.  What are the charities how got involved?  The whole thing with Mailik.  The company PR's Razormind stole from legit companies and represented as it's own (not legally branded a scam?).  As noted above, he put his email on auto response.  No one can log into the fucking platform because of this stupid KYC bs.  Who does that?  And why is it needed here?  It isn't.  Look at any other platform that uses KYC (for financial reasons), and you can still set up an account with those platforms.  There is no platform, that's the reason for yet another of Jawad and Co's Kafkaesque BS.

All you need are misrepresentations to brand it a scam.  That is the way you should be looking at this.  As an investor you should know that you got nothing of what was represented for your 1 BTC.  All you got was 1000 DeOS Omni tokens which do nothing on the non-existent DEOS platform.  Congratulations, you were scammed just like many of us!

In the future I hope you can learn from this experience in other stories you report on.  It's easy for me to judge with 20/20 after knowing all the facts now, but since he represented that the DEOS platform was all complete at the time first reported, it would have been good if you asked to see it.  Also, I'm left wondering if Cointelegraph received payment from Razormind for publishing the stories, such as one would do for press releases.
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That 'side of the area' is MI5's Palace Barracks. As a military barracks it will have residential housing, yes, but I am not aware of secure military bases having residential housing for members of the public or even retired veterans. They are normally for people who have a current reason to be there, inside the compound, a reason which is directly connected to the military section which it houses.

The question of the 55 Clive Road, Holywood, Belfast address is not just about whether Jawad and/or Razormind have a connection to MI5, it is also about asking wtf a supposed global company with hundreds of staff and office locations all around the world (which we know is complete bollocks) is doing being incorporated with this registered-office address in the first place.

There not being a connection to MI5 raises just as many questions as there being one.



i think the choice of this address just shows the evil sense of humour of Jawad
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Hello Cryptodevil, it's a pleasure! This is Niall...

In regards to the claims of fraudulent misrepresentations from that company, all I can say at this stage is that according to lawyers this is a very complex case and at the time of publication of the last article, it couldn't be "legally branded a scam or fraud." This isn't to say that as more deep investigations are carried out & revelations discovered & connections made it won't turn out to be or hasn't already.

I appreciate what you are doing here, but ask for your patience as there are professional people looking into all of this who are more qualified than me & until they can "legally brand it a scam or fraud" no matter what my personal view I will wait for formal clarification from them before publicly stating so in an article.

I myself have invested 1 btc in this crowd sale, have never received a cent from that company for anything and will be updating things with more in depth details in the next article than in the first.

Keep up the good work!

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That 'side of the area' is MI5's Palace Barracks. As a military barracks it will have residential housing, yes, but I am not aware of secure military bases having residential housing for members of the public or even retired veterans. They are normally for people who have a current reason to be there, inside the compound, a reason which is directly connected to the military section which it houses.

The question of the 55 Clive Road, Holywood, Belfast address is not just about whether Jawad and/or Razormind have a connection to MI5, it is also about asking wtf a supposed global company with hundreds of staff and office locations all around the world (which we know is complete bollocks) is doing being incorporated with this registered-office address in the first place.

There not being a connection to MI5 raises just as many questions as there being one.

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If you manage to show me a google street view of the address, then you'll surprise me a lot. Believe me, there is a lot more going on than just posting in this thread and CT article was expected.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.6317608,-5.8440094,3a,75y,208.68h,66.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sD0qE2ec1Jbr6W5K19Jymfw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
clearly houses in that side of the area...

This is not Clive road, but anyways... don't you find it a bit strange on the way the area from both sides is fenced off? Smiley
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If you send an email to [email protected] you get this:
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The majority of the tokens have now been delivered, and the crowdsale is over. Thank you for taking part, and remember to subscribe to the mailing list at: http://razormind.co.uk/news for future updates.

Razormind Ltd is incorporated in the United Kingdom with company number NI636534 whose registered office and trading address is at 55 Clive Rd, Holywood, BT189RE.
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If you manage to show me a google street view of the address, then you'll surprise me a lot. Believe me, there is a lot more going on than just posting in this thread and CT article was expected.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.6317608,-5.8440094,3a,75y,208.68h,66.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sD0qE2ec1Jbr6W5K19Jymfw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
clearly houses in that side of the area...
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Too little too late, these folks are more concerned by damage  control  to their own reputation, they give no damn about  facts,  plus too much of a deal is being made about the military address. If you take a tour on google map street view , there's clearly  residential housing inside, am guessing for military/veteran personal which am guessing is not that uncommon in a place like northern Ireland. This is likely his parent's home (since his sister was linked to that address 10 years a go) and am guessing again his Dad is or has been part of the military (Royal logistic Corp is based there). Let's not get side tracked, am sure MI5's got better things to do that running pathetic traceable scams like this one.

All is needed now is victims of this scam to report it to the authorities if not on the basis of not getting what they paid for, then on the basis of multiple fraudulent misrepresentation as mentioned by folks in this forum.

If you manage to show me a google street view of the address, then you'll surprise me a lot. Believe me, there is a lot more going on than just posting in this thread and CT article was expected.
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Too little too late, these folks are more concerned by damage  control  to their own reputation, they give no damn about  facts,  plus too much of a deal is being made about the military address. If you take a tour on google map street view , there's clearly  residential housing inside, am guessing for military/veteran personal which am guessing is not that uncommon in a place like northern Ireland. This is likely his parent's home (since his sister was linked to that address 10 years a go) and am guessing again his Dad is or has been part of the military (Royal logistic Corp is based there). Let's not get side tracked, am sure MI5's got better things to do that running pathetic traceable scams like this one.

All is needed now is victims of this scam to report it to the authorities if not on the basis of not getting what they paid for, then on the basis of multiple fraudulent misrepresentation as mentioned by folks in this forum.
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Much of that reads like an apologetic, in an attempt to excuse the author from the part he played in shilling for an obviously scammy 'crowdsale' coming from an organisation founded on lies and fraud.

Things better get a whole lot more specific in the next articles, because so far there's way too much vague hand-wavy nonsense about how it isn't *really* a scam because. . .reasons.
JAWAD 38:55 : "I have literally got millions of pounds, more money than I have ever had in my entire life.
                      ^^^So there's your gain through deception

I don't think it would be too difficult to find participants of this 'crowdsale' who, in the light of the knowledge of this deception by Jawad and Co, would consider themselves to have been caused a financial loss. There's still more than 8 million of these DEOS omni-layer tokens to be distributed and I don't imagine the people who were conned into sending their bitcoin in to this sham would decline the chance to get a refund.

That is what needs to be pushed for right now. There is no excuse for them not to
 


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i am amazed by boldness they have shown. yeah. with such eloquence, no one can beat these genius in bitcointalk forum.

scammers always win. they can rape ppl again and again.

lol
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On the up side: now we have irrefutable proof that somebody actually managed to log in.

https://github.com/os-js/OS.js/issues/514

This is so sad.
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