Topic: Devcoin - page 128. (Read 412952 times)

i was setting up a cross compile enviroment for devcoind, altough its not done yet since this is a ugly mess.

Is in work...
By now i sugesst you an account at https://cryptostocks.com it allows you 0 fee withdrawals.

BTC: Minimum withdrawal is 0.02, maximum withdrawal is 20000000.0, withdrawal fee is 0.0 BTC
LTC: Minimum withdrawal is 0.02, maximum withdrawal is 20000000.0, withdrawal fee is 0.0 LTC
DVC: Minimum withdrawal is 0.02, maximum withdrawal is 20000000.0, withdrawal fee is 0.0 DVC

At https://vircurex.com you can get an other dvc address too

You can check the bitcoin share list to see who is listed:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/bitcoinshare.html


If any developer wishes, they can contact me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVydUm-3-j4

I officialy request to add allten (BITSAFE) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitsafe-hardware-wallet-development-127587 to the receiver after a successfull bounty

Unthinkingbit are

John Tobey https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/announce-abe-07-open-source-block-explorer-knockoff-22785
and
ngzhang https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/avalon-asic-announcement-pre-order-pre-order-over-project-started-110090 , https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fpga-development-board-lancelot-accept-bitsteam-developers-orders-79835

allready listed?
Could you please contact them?

Ahhh, I had forgotten that applying the merged mining patches is a breaking change! Apologies, and thanks for reminding me.

-MarkM-

When the block reward halves we should see a overnight doubling in most of the currencies in value hopefully.

Bitcoin needs to gain the market attendence by Bitcoin itsef.

Devcoin supports Developers. They develop cutting edge products GPL on a real basis.

People have been generously contributing to the project with time and btc.

From wiki:


BTW I wonder how that happened, wiki documents sharp rise in capitalization: 300 BTC in January 2012, 3,809 BTC August 18, 2012.

So who buys devcoins?

Wiki says:


What are the largest contributors? devtome.org?

I really want to know more about economics of this...

Is Devcoin dead yet?

One of the many "planned" changes when the day comes that we must break compatibility, is to make Bitcoin merged-minable (though not compatible with the existing merged-mining system). But none of these changes so far has been deemed important enough by the developer group to even suggest (to users) breaking compatiblity with old clients.

Bitcoin users want stability, and they will likely object to making Bitcoin merge-mine-able since it gives no benefits, only potential problems. Bitcoin developers will do what users want.

So if you mine devcoin as a primary chain, you're mining without bitcoin. And it's just impractical.

If the problem is that you want devcoin p2pool, maybe there is a way to p2pool it in mm setup? Is this really a fundamental limitation, or it would just make software more complex?

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Did the actual developers of Bitcoin realy developed bitcoin or arnt they in the same position as Devcoin developers?? According to the behave of some Bitcoin developer alt chains are a scam cause the Bitcoin Developer say so, cause we took a code and altered it and we not stay on testnet like some Devs would like to see it? But what are then Bitcoin Developers, exept Satoshi Nakamoto and Serious-M?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OztVYTS_Ei8

Bitcoin cannot be merged mined as a secondary chain.

That seems to basically be deliberate opposition to people's ability to simply and easily keep all the secondary chains up to date with the latest fixes and code improvements in the bitcoin codebase.

So it looks like it is the bitcoiners who are the ones acting out of spite or hostility or somesuch, they seem determined to try to sabotage the whole altcoin field.

Next time someone figures out how to apply the merged mining as a secondary chain patches to the latest bitcoin to update some secondary chain, the patches should be incorporated into the mainline bitcoin code, hopefully along with also abstracting all visible to the user names and images identifying the specific chain/coin into one place for easy changing of that element of the cosmetics.

p2pool gives only the first/main/primary chain the benefits of mining as part of a pool, the rest of the chains in your merge are in effect solo mined. Thus being able to choose any of the chains as the primary one would let miners choose which chain they want the smoothed out variance provided by the pool on, the rest being a crapshoot as to whether a block will end up getting found in any given year or month or week or day or whatever.

-MarkM-

That is exactly what i try to explain.....

What difference exept the profit? If i Merged Mine for Devcoin as mainchain and use Bitcoin mm solomined doesnt have both chains my hashrate for security? Why should i work against Bitcoin? I simply wanna mm solo mine Bitcoin and use DEVCOIN as the mainchain. Only cause an exchange made the exchangerate i cant do that? Do you think that to mine for 25 BTC brings profit, so why should i do that as main objective, is that rational ?

If there would be a pure DVC mine open, arnt the miners free to chose if they want to do it or not? But you allready gave the answer:
I have no problem with other sha256 based chains, i just have a problem with some all mighty god chosen devs, - to use your terminology - they piss me off!
You know what is realy irrational? When a slave in prison thinks he is free and protects his prison cause of that.

Perhaps I can answer... Generally, rationality is understood as following some utility function, which is not always monetary profit based. But it is opposite to doing things on a whim.

Forget about profit, you secure blockchain via mining. If you go from bitcoin+devcoin+... via merged mining to devcoin+..., you choose to not secure bitcoin. WHY? What value do you see in NOT securing bitcoin? Or is there some opportunity cost?

The only possibility I see here is pissing match incorporated into utility function. OR you're irrational.

If this is the case, other people simply would not want to fund your pissing match and your irrationality, they are simply not interested.

It doesn't make people undemocractic, it's just that both doing something and NOT doing something needs some reason.

We can build on the generousity of the developers. Developments generates revenue, its up the Developer if he wanna give back or just take.

My personal expirience is that when a developer gets funded usualy he/she feels a duty to the financier, so there is no problem with generousity

OK, but what's about revenue? There is no revenue besides mining and share purchases, right? Or...?

DVB is not just a mining FARM, its a DEMOCRATIC Principle according to corporate law, mining is just a tiny drop of the whole thing.
As DVB shareholder you can vote upon bounties for development. More Shares more weight in your Vote. DVB is independent of DVC and is able to even work with coiledcoins, if developers would support chains in general and not just see the profit, and call everything else then Bitcoin a scam.

Actualy there are 9 000 000 DVC spoken democraticaly (corporate law) for the development of a Bitcoinspinner like System for Android. Even here DVB wanna see decentralization, means the user can choose what server he wanna trust.

DVB funded allready ECA and the development of watercooling for Lancelot FPGA, all this is free avalable to everyone, even when ECA is about to start (First drawings from the GPL reactor are allready made).

I have no problem to call up an for an other bounty voting for coloredcoin, when you develop that for devcoin, of course its sha256 based so i guess Bitcoin will profit aswell. Thats the way i see the things.
Usualy people are puzzled, when they have to think outside the box.
Just to give you an example: when a prisoner that was 60 years in prison with no sunlight steps out (of the monarch corporate slave prison) he gonna be quite puzzled in the first moment aswell, when he gets free. DVB is cooperative based (with corporate voting) DEVDA is cooperative based (with cooperative based voting)* Both of this project serve just one purpose, DEVELOPMENT

*
corporate voting: is dependent on the amount of shares you have
cooperative voting: every participant has a single voice independent of the amount of shares he owns

While we are here, it's even harder to understand what DVB does.

After reading forum I understood that it is like mining bonds or stocks which pay dividends from some merged mining farm, with BTC converted to DVC. But mining bonds usually say what hash rate one share represents, I'm completely puzzled here.

Also it looks like DVB pays some bounties for something, but I do not understand how, why, and what it gets out of it. Description sounds like a description of devcoin itself. Or is it a "devcoin" on top of devcoin?