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legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1001
Can anyone explain to me why this bet was refunded?

2013-05-21 17:56:30       54c9a7c5    92ec3918    Martingale - [EXIT]    0.00700425    -----    -----    -----    -----    refunded

It looks like any ending in 25 seem to be, but the calculator tool says it is valid as less than 64000 2x exit point.

Thanks.

Sure thing. Martingale [EXIT] places 0.001 wagers when playing with BTC, so starting with your deposit of 0.00700425 it will try to place a bet to reach 0.00800425. Now, the special thing about EXIT compared to the other Martingales is that it quits early, as soon as your balance isn't enough to reach the next prize step. Each step adds 0.001 to the target outcome.

With the wager settings (425 satoshis, 1.019 multiplier, exit 2x wager, which is actually the default), in order to go from 0.00700425 to 0.00800425 you need to win 0.001. Since the win multiplier is 1.019 you'll need to bet ~0.0526, which, if you win, will give you 0.0526x1.019 ~= 0.0536, or 0.001 more than you have bet.

But you don't have 0.0526 to bet, only 0.007, so the EXIT is triggered. It's a refund because no wager was ever placed.

Hope that clears things a bit Smiley
member
Activity: 112
Merit: 10
Can anyone explain to me why this bet was refunded?

2013-05-21 17:56:30       54c9a7c5    92ec3918    Martingale - [EXIT]    0.00700425    -----    -----    -----    -----    refunded

It looks like any ending in 25 seem to be, but the calculator tool says it is valid as less than 64000 2x exit point.

Thanks.
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1001
Just a quick note to let everyone know the payment processing change described above has been applied.

Good luck!
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1001
Also, the previous change to group payouts in blocks of 5 minutes will be removed. We will still group the payments per address, so only one transaction will be sent for all payments outstanding on a particular address, but we will remove the wait, payments will be sent immediately after bet processing.
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1001
We will be introducing another change to the payout system soon: There will be no 1 satoshi feedback sent on losing bets by default anymore, so if you lose you must check the web site to verify that.

If you are using a betting script and need the feedback you can add 5000 satoshis to your bet and those 5000 satoshis will be returned if you lose. Note that the full bet amount will include the 5000 satoshis, so that's not a fee, just a signal.

Please raise your voice if this presents a problem to you.
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1001
Is DiceOnCrack frozen? I have placed bets but they don't show up, and there's a lot of bets that haven't been resolved yet.

Something wrong?

Yes, there was a network issue and my slightly paranoid wager processor locked itself up waiting for human interaction. It's fixed now, all bets placed are being processed and paid.

Sorry about that, I'm trying to find less paranoid ways that are still as secure as the ones we have in place now.
sr. member
Activity: 424
Merit: 250
Is DiceOnCrack frozen? I have placed bets but they don't show up, and there's a lot of bets that haven't been resolved yet.

Something wrong?
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1001
Changes to the payout system are effective now. Let us now of any concerns or issues you might have and...

Good luck!
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1001
Last bump regarding the upcoming changes posted above in https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1598128

Next post on the subject will be to say the changes have been applied Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1001
Bump for previous post, the payout transactions will be changing soon!
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1001
We have a new feature creeping in, which is an attempt to mitigate the issue with blockchain bloating, at least to some extend.

We're calling it the Bet Groups; wager payouts are going to be grouped by return address, and an attempt is made to join as many payouts as possible in a single transaction. This is the current plan:

  • Only transactions paying to the same address are grouped. This is to prevent issues with double spent transactions screwing everyone's payouts amongst other things.
  • The connection between wager input transaction and payment is kept, so there will be one output for each input in order to make it easy to assert no cheating is being done. Note that there might be an extra input when payout is larger than received amount, and an extra output for collecting change and these may shift the inputs and outputs such that input 0 connects to output 1, etc.
     
    • there is one exception, which is when using IRC proxy wallets the losing wagers don't pay anything as there's feedback in the IRC chat window, reducing the 'dust'. This means the input for these losing wagers is not present in the payout.
  • Wagers are grouped for at most 5 minutes, meaning any payout in queue for an address will be immediately paid once the oldest queue entry is over 4 minutes old.
  • When an address queue has 5 or more payouts, they are sent regardless of queue entry age.

Many of the bets we get on the site come from what I believe are betting bots, and these might be processing the payout transactions for feedback. If that's the case they'll probably be confused with this new system so we are only turning it on for IRC proxy wallets for now, but will make it global in a couple of days if there are no major concerns with this from players.

The IRC version of DICEonCRACK is explained in https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/diceoncrack-on-irc-with-ltc-trc-giveaway-147722

As always, good luck!
sr. member
Activity: 424
Merit: 250
hey great game you've got here! I bet .3 BTC  for a 2.048X payout.

but for some reason received .16587688 back.

Was this supposed to happen?

how to I show you this transaction?

EDIT Same thing again, except I bet .5 BTC and got .55205833 BTC back.

I assume the first bet is this: http://diceoncrack.com/tx?_=5131091c4d8b205791008e1b

You've bet 0.3 on Simple Strategy, which makes 0.001 bets, up to 15000 of them, and each one, if it is a win, will multiply that 0.001 by 2.048X. See the graph on that page for the details of your particular bet.

You can read about the many strategies we offer at http://diceoncrack.com/howtoplay and on the OP for this thread. You can also ask here and we'll do our best to explain, if you have any specific doubt.

Ah, I see.
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1001
hey great game you've got here! I bet .3 BTC  for a 2.048X payout.

but for some reason received .16587688 back.

Was this supposed to happen?

how to I show you this transaction?

EDIT Same thing again, except I bet .5 BTC and got .55205833 BTC back.

I assume the first bet is this: http://diceoncrack.com/tx?_=5131091c4d8b205791008e1b

You've bet 0.3 on Simple Strategy, which makes 0.001 bets, up to 15000 of them, and each one, if it is a win, will multiply that 0.001 by 2.048X. See the graph on that page for the details of your particular bet.

You can read about the many strategies we offer at http://diceoncrack.com/howtoplay and on the OP for this thread. You can also ask here and we'll do our best to explain, if you have any specific doubt.
legendary
Activity: 1136
Merit: 1001
hey great game you've got here! I bet .3 BTC  for a 2.048X payout.

but for some reason received .16587688 back.

Was this supposed to happen?

how to I show you this transaction?

EDIT Same thing again, except I bet .5 BTC and got .55205833 BTC back.

You can put the transaction ID on the site to get the details. PM me or post the tx.

Edit: you must be talking about: http://diceoncrack.com/tx?_=5131091c4d8b205791008e1b

With the 'simple' strategy, you made 15,000 wagers (0.001 each). Each win returned 2.048 x .001.
sr. member
Activity: 424
Merit: 250
hey great game you've got here! I bet .3 BTC  for a 2.048X payout.

but for some reason received .16587688 back.

Was this supposed to happen?

how to I show you this transaction?

EDIT Same thing again, except I bet .5 BTC and got .55205833 BTC back.
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1001
Just a heads up to warn that we will be updating the LTC strategies bet size, lowering it it 1/10 of what it was before.

The reasoning is simple, the lower the bet size the more iterations you get out of your wager, but the lower the expected outcome of each is. We have started the altchains at 100x the BTC bet size, but since there is a major value difference between TRC and LTC, this change should improve the overall experience for LTC.

EDIT: minimum wager will not go down as LTC fees are way too high, only bet size is lowered
legendary
Activity: 1136
Merit: 1001

Hopefully a bump worthy update: We just surpassed 5 million wagers. Thanks everyone!

That was quick - We have surpassed 10 million wagers!
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1001
Everything should be up and running again.

Also, although still in careful testing, we are allowing immediate processing of unconfirmed transactions again! Some will still not be processed immediately, such as when the fees are lower than required, in which case they will get processed when they get into a block.

Good luck!
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1001
If you got a bet showing as 'retained' on DoC:

We've had a little issue with the hot wallet and I'll have to hand pick some transactions to pay these out, something I don't want to do while tired. You will get paid tomorrow, sorry for the inconvenience!
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1001
Service disruption announcement;

We've been having network connectivity issues with the hot wallet, and it's currently offline preventing any wager processing. I'm resolving this and all bets placed will be processed once that is done.

I'll also work on adding some redundancy there during this week, sorry for the inconvenience.
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