[Discussion] Should Gambling be Banned? - page 10.

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Quote from: darkangel11 on July 20, 2022, 03:54:00 PM

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Religions across the world have been warning us of the dangers of gambling for centuries.

This is an invalid argument. Most religions also say that there's a creator watching us from the sky Cheesy

Some also say that there's heaven and hell and if you go against the rules of god you will end up suffering for eternity. When something is built on lies it shouldn't be taken seriously.

If you want to live by those rules you can be in favor of banning gambling but don't expect that other people will be like you. Don't try to enforce your opinions on others.

When we talk about human rights, we will definitely put aside the teachings applied by religion. I believe in religious teachings and apply them too but I also respect those who gamble as part of their life choices, even though they are not active gamblers but for now I think everyone should be able to regulate their gambling habits, because gambling is without rules not only violates the norms set by religion but will also complicate social relations, especially with family.

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Quote from: chaser15 on July 20, 2022, 04:42:33 PM

Quote from: coupable on July 20, 2022, 03:05:31 PM

but the legislator has no right to pass laws prohibiting these practices because they simply fall under the issue of personal status.

Legislators have the right to pass laws prohibiting gambling.

That's their role in the first place, to pass laws.

However, the final say will be on the President or the Head of the State.

Quote from: coupable on July 20, 2022, 03:05:31 PM

Let us first agree that gambling is a personal freedom that should not be prohibited for any reason within a legal framework, even if it is harmful in one way or another.

We can't take that statement of yours in a country where gambling is totally banned.

Quote from: coupable on July 20, 2022, 03:05:31 PM

But there are two important points if the ban takes place, and they are firstly about preventing children from entering this field, which is an early age to enter into such a situation, and secondly, it is to reduce cases of addiction that lead to the death of individuals, just as it happens with legislation that prevents drug consumption and their trafficking.

When gambling is totally banned in the country, I doubt more children will be open to doing it.

There will be worries and mostly will be afraid to do such activities as gambling is now the same with other illegal activities.

Regarding the enactment of law: There is what is called the philosophy of law or the spirit of the law that must be observed in a manner that does not conflict with the personal freedoms of individuals. Here, I mean, of course, the man-made laws whose purposes are inspired by the ratified international conventions related to human rights. Perhaps this is not the case in many countries, but it should not be overlooked when we bring up the topic for discussion. As for the effect of the ban on children, it will certainly be useful. Let's take the example of Islamic countries where gambling is prohibited by a sacred religious text. There are no statistics, but certainly the percentage of children's turnout for betting games is much lower than in other countries.

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Nowadays we always have two choices and these are the good and the bad, the forbidden and the not forbidden. But often people what is forbidden and bad is what we always do whether we gamble or not. And then about your question, maybe if I am an expert gambler and often win at gambling, I would always wish that gambling would not be banned here in our country. So in real life, if I'm the only one to follow, it's okay to stop gambling or not.

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Quote from: darkangel11 on July 20, 2022, 03:54:00 PM

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Religions across the world have been warning us of the dangers of gambling for centuries.

This is an invalid argument. Most religions also say that there's a creator watching us from the sky Cheesy

Some also say that there's heaven and hell and if you go against the rules of god you will end up suffering for eternity. When something is built on lies it shouldn't be taken seriously.

If you want to live by those rules you can be in favor of banning gambling but don't expect that other people will be like you. Don't try to enforce your opinions on others.

I think everyone has there opinion here and we shouldn't force people to think like the way we do to avoid unnecessary contentions. Gambling is a lifestyle for those who enjoys it and it is not something everyone should like just like we all venturing into different kind of businesses based on our interest and what we want. Gambling is not a bad act but when it is too much then it may looks very bad because of addiction. We all have different reason why we gamble from boredom to fun to making extra income to boost our stream of income.

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In my opinion no, it should not be banned. It would be the biggest bullshit, because banning it does not put an end to gambling and what it does is that it becomes operated by the mafia instead of by legal companies, as happens with drugs.

Quote from: BitcoinPanther on July 20, 2022, 04:59:34 PM

Anyone won't do illegal stuff openly. They will do it secretly. So whether more children or few will be involved in gambling in a country where gambling is illegal, we won't know because gambling activities is hidden in the eyes of the authority.

This also depends on the implementation of the law. In theory, banning means that people do it less openly, but in some cases the ban is a window-dressing measure with little practical impact. For example, I recently learned that prostitution in Thailand is illegal, although it is openly practised everywhere.

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Quote from: coupable on July 20, 2022, 03:05:31 PM

but the legislator has no right to pass laws prohibiting these practices because they simply fall under the issue of personal status.

It wouldn't be an issue of personal status. Legislators pass a bill then other legislators will review it. It is more like a consensus then if approved will be brought to the President for implementation. Often times president signing it is just for formalities when the bill passes legislators' consensus. And indeed they have the right just like what the previous reply stated, it is their job and function in the government.

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When gambling is totally banned in the country, I doubt more children will be open to doing it.

Anyone won't do illegal stuff openly. They will do it secretly. So whether more children or few will be involved in gambling in a country where gambling is illegal, we won't know because gambling activities is hidden in the eyes of the authority.

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Depends on how it affects the life of the people in their country since if this cause huge harm to the families since addiction is rampant due to this activities maybe they could decide to ban gambling on their jurisdiction to ease the possible bad effect to the people.

But if they see moderate things happening and this could help their people because this give them another huge source of income then I think they are good the only thing they need to do is to regulate it properly and have education drive by using mainstream media or other outlets to help people determine what's good and bad for them upon gambling.

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Quote from: coupable on July 20, 2022, 03:05:31 PM

but the legislator has no right to pass laws prohibiting these practices because they simply fall under the issue of personal status.

Legislators have the right to pass laws prohibiting gambling.

That's their role in the first place, to pass laws.

However, the final say will be on the President or the Head of the State.

Quote from: coupable on July 20, 2022, 03:05:31 PM

Let us first agree that gambling is a personal freedom that should not be prohibited for any reason within a legal framework, even if it is harmful in one way or another.

We can't take that statement of yours in a country where gambling is totally banned.

Quote from: coupable on July 20, 2022, 03:05:31 PM

But there are two important points if the ban takes place, and they are firstly about preventing children from entering this field, which is an early age to enter into such a situation, and secondly, it is to reduce cases of addiction that lead to the death of individuals, just as it happens with legislation that prevents drug consumption and their trafficking.

When gambling is totally banned in the country, I doubt more children will be open to doing it.

There will be worries and mostly will be afraid to do such activities as gambling is now the same with other illegal activities.

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Gambling shouldn't be banned as it reliefs the body and soul after undergoing the day stress because its a game and its fun.we are adult and free to do whatever we want as long as its not against the law.Government knows that gambling can not be stopped so the legalised it to generate revenue for the government.

If you have lost so much in it no matter the addiction you need to just let go of it and make a change of mind not to gamble because changes are constant and we need to know when to make that change.God gave us the grace of self control over whatever we are doing.

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Quote from: Baofeng on July 18, 2022, 06:58:28 PM

Again, as I have said in previous thread, it seems that gambling is in our DNA already. We've discussed when it started, whether in China or other old civilization. That alone proved that gambling is already on us since the beginning of our history.

Indeed, and I believe it is way older than any religion existing here on earth.

Quote from: Baofeng on July 18, 2022, 06:58:28 PM

And it evolved so much that there are governments willing to accept gambling with regulations. But as far as online, it will be hard to stop it totally. Gamblers are so adaptive that they will always find loopholes and exploits and maybe circumvent the ban by their government.

It is a profitable business and a great source of funds. Of course, the government will take advantage of it. The government even build its own Casino infrastructure to get more percentage of the profit. Banning gambling is just a waste of resources.

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Religions across the world have been warning us of the dangers of gambling for centuries.

Religions are brainwashing us about everything for centuries. They hate gambling because they can't control their followers from being a gambling problem and that blemishes their absolute authority and control over everything.

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Quote from: swogerino on July 15, 2022, 02:37:31 AM

The simple answer is a big NO.

The reasons are simple,everyone in the Western world countries is free to choose to do what he wants as long as it is a legal thing.Everyone in such world has always free choices and that is what makes the Western countries as great as they are because of such freedom.Putting a restriction like the one you are asking is a big undermining of such freedoms.

Another reason is that why to ban them when no one forces you to play,it is a free choice you are making to go there and create an account to play.If the governments start restricting things including gambling we risk to turn into autocratic regimes like Russia which is delusional,or like Islamic countries where a lot of things are forbidden.

This, the pros of the gambling industry are way bigger than the cons, the gambling industry is responsible for a lot of jobs all around the world, if we were to forbid gambling not only all of those jobs will be lost, the taxes that the gambling industry generates will be lost as well and more importantly gambling will not disappear.

The desire people have for gambling is there and if it is not legal then they are going to find illegal means to satisfy their needs, this means that organized crime is going to be the biggest benefactor of such a measure, while gamblers themselves will also lose as now they will have to go to those illegal casinos, and if they happen to win and those criminals decide to not pay then there is nothing they can do about it.

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Religions across the world have been warning us of the dangers of gambling for centuries.

This is an invalid argument. Most religions also say that there's a creator watching us from the sky Cheesy

Some also say that there's heaven and hell and if you go against the rules of god you will end up suffering for eternity. When something is built on lies it shouldn't be taken seriously.

If you want to live by those rules you can be in favor of banning gambling but don't expect that other people will be like you. Don't try to enforce your opinions on others.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on July 15, 2022, 12:55:59 AM

I read an interesting debate about this topic during the time when I experienced heavy loss in online gambling. I’m trying to seek some reason online to justify my loss and give me acceptance for my loss that time. It didn’t help me but make me confused. Grin

Anyway I will share the points of both side because it is the real life scenario.

It seems that the emotion of regret is the one that most people struggle to get over and it can lead them back into making further wrong decisions. Even the most financially sensible people can get sucked into the world of gambling if they allow themselves to participate too much. In some situations you can be playing for what basically amounts to a coin flip, like choosing a color on a roulette wheel, other times you might be sticking with something that looks like a low risk but low reward sports bet or maybe playing the lottery once a month where you're more likely to get struck by lightning that win a jackpot. You have to keep it all in perspective and be able to rein your emotions back in, while letting go of any losses instead of trying to chase them.

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Let us first agree that gambling is a personal freedom that should not be prohibited for any reason within a legal framework, even if it is harmful in one way or another. Just like smoking and drinking alcohol, both are harmful, but the legislator has no right to pass laws prohibiting these practices because they simply fall under the issue of personal status. But there are two important points if the ban takes place, and they are firstly about preventing children from entering this field, which is an early age to enter into such a situation, and secondly, it is to reduce cases of addiction that lead to the death of individuals, just as it happens with legislation that prevents drug consumption and their trafficking.

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Quote from: Distinctin on July 20, 2022, 02:23:09 PM

Quote from: acroman08 on July 20, 2022, 01:35:42 PM

Quote from: Docnaster on July 19, 2022, 02:50:21 AM

Gambling is a business to some people, it is also a means of generating revenue to some people (the government), it is a death trap to some people (children) and it is also a bad habit to the addicts.
I do not support that online gambling should be banned but it is necessary that it is regulated and ensure that children under 18 doesn't get involved.

I completely agree with this but regulation is just not enough especially when there are tons of gambling sites(crypto gambling sites) that do not require KYC upon registration or deposit. awareness of the dangers of gambling addiction and teaching people about responsible gambling would be a great addition to this especially(like I said before) when there are tons of gambling sites that do not require KYC when registering or depositing.

But KYC has its own pros and cons but when the subject is about hindering minors from doing these kind of activities, then KYC is somewhat useful but for adults, doing KYC will be a risky thing to do because every detail will be used in the illegal transactions or dark web if the site will be hacked (hopefully not). Personally, I also don't support banning online gambling but I think they could do more useful and safer regulation aside from that risky KYC.

Most of the time on which KYC is always been the main talk on why it has been implemented due to this minor playing issues on any platform where it could really happen thats why setting out these verification is really happening and yes it does have its pros and cons but we know that it is something that is really working on major part even though there might be still able to access or bypass but not as much compared when these
platforms arent asking for any verification in towards the age of the said player which it would really be just typical about this kind of system and thats why crypto gambling had become that popular due
to that kind of restriction havent been applied and of course it does have its pros and cons too.

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Quote from: acroman08 on July 20, 2022, 01:35:42 PM

Quote from: Docnaster on July 19, 2022, 02:50:21 AM

Gambling is a business to some people, it is also a means of generating revenue to some people (the government), it is a death trap to some people (children) and it is also a bad habit to the addicts.
I do not support that online gambling should be banned but it is necessary that it is regulated and ensure that children under 18 doesn't get involved.

I completely agree with this but regulation is just not enough especially when there are tons of gambling sites(crypto gambling sites) that do not require KYC upon registration or deposit. awareness of the dangers of gambling addiction and teaching people about responsible gambling would be a great addition to this especially(like I said before) when there are tons of gambling sites that do not require KYC when registering or depositing.

But KYC has its own pros and cons but when the subject is about hindering minors from doing these kind of activities, then KYC is somewhat useful but for adults, doing KYC will be a risky thing to do because every detail will be used in the illegal transactions or dark web if the site will be hacked (hopefully not). Personally, I also don't support banning online gambling but I think they could do more useful and safer regulation aside from that risky KYC.

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Quote from: Baofeng on July 18, 2022, 06:58:28 PM

Again, as I have said in previous thread, it seems that gambling is in our DNA already. We've discussed when it started, whether in China or other old civilization. That alone proved that gambling is already on us since the beginning of our history.

And it evolved so much that there are governments willing to accept gambling with regulations. But as far as online, it will be hard to stop it totally. Gamblers are so adaptive that they will always find loopholes and exploits and maybe circumvent the ban by their government.

Besides gambling has been embedded in our DNA, gambling has also become a big tax earner in many countries. even in a very religious country (such as Saudi Arabia) gambling places must still exist (stand illegally) and surely many of its citizens play online gambling, gambling has become impossible in the banned.

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In my country actors who promote gambling sites are responsible for deaths happening with the users below the age of 18 years. This has kept the actors and popular people away from promoting gambling sites. Those gambling sites aren't provably fair operating. In such a way regulations can be created and proper awareness need to be given. This can help gamblers limit their participation and stay out of big losses.

Actors or popular personalities who are promoting gambling are not responsible for the death of underage people who are playing gambling. Actors never ask kid or those under 18 to play gamble. If anyone plays gambling at so early age, his/her parents should be accountable for their actions.
These are the people who bring bad name to the gambling.

Indeed, why would they responsible for that? The advertisement surely says not for underage and requires adult supervision. Just like how the actors or popular personalities promotes liquor brands, they are also not responsible for the consumptions and addictions of underage people or any cases that will lead to death because of the liquors. It is always the sole responsibility for the parents/guardian to educate the kids.

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Quote from: Docnaster on July 19, 2022, 02:50:21 AM

Gambling is a business to some people, it is also a means of generating revenue to some people (the government), it is a death trap to some people (children) and it is also a bad habit to the addicts.
I do not support that online gambling should be banned but it is necessary that it is regulated and ensure that children under 18 doesn't get involved.

I completely agree with this but regulation is just not enough especially when there are tons of gambling sites(crypto gambling sites) that do not require KYC upon registration or deposit. awareness of the dangers of gambling addiction and teaching people about responsible gambling would be a great addition to this especially(like I said before) when there are tons of gambling sites that do not require KYC when registering or depositing.

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There are pros and cons, and it depends on each individual's perspective and beliefs. I will not question people who are pro and vice versa, but when it comes to belief, it is difficult to conclude.

I live in a country where gambling is prohibited both by religion and by government regulations. While people gamble and do many things that are against the law and it is the responsibility of each one, myself included.

Quote from: Zilon on July 20, 2022, 12:12:41 PM

Gambling is best defined based on one's personal experience and no matter the outcome of their experience it doesn't remove the fact that gambling is fun. Supporting the ban of gambling is like depriving people from their right to chose what they want for themselves. Gambling could be bad and good at the same time depending on how the gambler handles their gambling passion. Gambling is for adults that have full control of their will and emotions

Even though that's not the case, you also have to obey the regulations of your country's government because in fact any lawbreaker can be fined and punished. This applies in my country, where caught gamblers will be punished according to the rules.

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