[Discussion] Should Gambling be Banned? - page 5.

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Quote from: Tumanggor on August 01, 2022, 02:49:40 PM

Quote from: Japinat on August 01, 2022, 02:29:47 PM

You have a point but that doesn't mean that we should still gamble because of the fact of we are still losing money even if we don't participate in these activities as there are other factors aside from that.
We must still have the correct mindset to only participate in the said activity when we are searching for entertainment or means to ease blow up some steam in our lives, it is still best to know if we can afford to lose some funds or not.

As for the OP's concern about whether gambling should be banned or not, I stand to allow these activities to continue because the government could highly the revenue that this industry could produce.

the economy of a country that legalizes gambling, is much better than the banned countries because the income from taxes and other costs from gambling is able to move the wheels of the economy of a region even though the sacrifices are not small

don't say that gambling is cruel, gambling is bad because the average people who say that are those who can't control themselves and lose big when gambling

You cant really tell considering that there are lots of industries where a certain countries economic situation or status doesnt really depend on gambling alone which means that it wont really be that precise for us to tell

that they are really that dependent.If a certain country does mind off about banning gambling then for sure they arent really that minding about the revenue or tax that they could really be getting on that portion but

instead they would really be minding off about their citizens situation and wont bother themselves about taxes or something that they could get from gambling businesses.
It isnt really bad to have a gambling business around as long the governing bodies and the platforms itself would impose relevant restrictions and warnings.

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Quote from: Japinat on August 01, 2022, 02:29:47 PM

You have a point but that doesn't mean that we should still gamble because of the fact of we are still losing money even if we don't participate in these activities as there are other factors aside from that.
We must still have the correct mindset to only participate in the said activity when we are searching for entertainment or means to ease blow up some steam in our lives, it is still best to know if we can afford to lose some funds or not.

As for the OP's concern about whether gambling should be banned or not, I stand to allow these activities to continue because the government could highly the revenue that this industry could produce.

the economy of a country that legalizes gambling, is much better than the banned countries because the income from taxes and other costs from gambling is able to move the wheels of the economy of a region even though the sacrifices are not small

don't say that gambling is cruel, gambling is bad because the average people who say that are those who can't control themselves and lose big when gambling

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Quote from: gunhell16 on July 31, 2022, 08:08:47 PM

From what I've seen of you, as a cryptocurrency gambler you yourself have managed it well and you as a player on any gambling platform even in your gambling past have lost a lot of money as well. and maybe also because of your experience you saw the pros and cons here and that's why that pushed you to share it here in the forum that's why you made this kind of topic, and it's a good decision you made in this matter in honestly. Thanks a lot.

besides that, for me, gambling in other countries may be illegal and for others it is legal and whatever their reason is, they definitely have a good reason for it, and for me the influence of gambling is bad but I hope not led to the banning of this type of industry.

I think sometime we are not even gambling but we lose money and we are in problem and the trouble comes uninvited.
I believe if there is one thing one should keep oneself away from - that is scam and fraud and bad intention.

You have a point but that doesn't mean that we should still gamble because of the fact of we are still losing money even if we don't participate in these activities as there are other factors aside from that.
We must still have the correct mindset to only participate in the said activity when we are searching for entertainment or means to ease blow up some steam in our lives, it is still best to know if we can afford to lose some funds or not.

As for the OP's concern about whether gambling should be banned or not, I stand to allow these activities to continue because the government could highly the revenue that this industry could produce.

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That is why Government should not ban gambling. Because if they do, they are missing the benefits from it. Look at the scenario, the government ban gambling removing the taxation benefits from the industry and yet people still go after gambling, dealing with it illegaly. So this proves that the government failed to restrict gambling in their jurisdiction and what more, since gambling is done secretly, they are unaware on the number of addicted players and surely will fail to implement programs that will help gambling addicts because gambling addicts people will not voluntarily submit themselves on the program due to the fear of possible legal action by the government since gambling is prohibited.

The advantage of gambling controlled by a country is that the age of players and gambling addicts can be controlled easily. my country is banned from gambling but many gambling stands illegally here, it is a big loss because the potential for taxes that should be received by the region is very large. Gambling is a potential business, the government can't fight it.

Yes, This is the common implication for totally banning gambling on the country rather than just moderate it because people will always find there way to do it regardless of legal matter as long as they fulfill there gambling needs. Aside from tax, They are letting there people to commit legal offenses which can be avoided by proper moderation of gambling.

Yes that's why its somehow not good decision by the government to ban gambling if this activities is rampant on their country because this activity will continue even if they not allow their people to do so. Maybe they just regulate it and conduct a proper gambling education since for sure this is more helpful and beneficial to their people and to their economy.

Banning of gambling could only make the situation worse. There will be more underground gambling and illegal activities that will exist. It will be better if they will regulate it and set rules and conditions rather than totally eliminate it. That will also be beneficial to the economy as well as the gamblers in a country. Sometimes too many restrictions could only worsen the situation.

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Quote from: Beparanf on August 01, 2022, 06:26:56 AM

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That is why Government should not ban gambling. Because if they do, they are missing the benefits from it. Look at the scenario, the government ban gambling removing the taxation benefits from the industry and yet people still go after gambling, dealing with it illegaly. So this proves that the government failed to restrict gambling in their jurisdiction and what more, since gambling is done secretly, they are unaware on the number of addicted players and surely will fail to implement programs that will help gambling addicts because gambling addicts people will not voluntarily submit themselves on the program due to the fear of possible legal action by the government since gambling is prohibited.

The advantage of gambling controlled by a country is that the age of players and gambling addicts can be controlled easily. my country is banned from gambling but many gambling stands illegally here, it is a big loss because the potential for taxes that should be received by the region is very large. Gambling is a potential business, the government can't fight it.

Yes, This is the common implication for totally banning gambling on the country rather than just moderate it because people will always find there way to do it regardless of legal matter as long as they fulfill there gambling needs. Aside from tax, They are letting there people to commit legal offenses which can be avoided by proper moderation of gambling.

Yes that's why its somehow not good decision by the government to ban gambling if this activities is rampant on their country because this activity will continue even if they not allow their people to do so. Maybe they just regulate it and conduct a proper gambling education since for sure this is more helpful and beneficial to their people and to their economy.

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That is why Government should not ban gambling. Because if they do, they are missing the benefits from it. Look at the scenario, the government ban gambling removing the taxation benefits from the industry and yet people still go after gambling, dealing with it illegaly. So this proves that the government failed to restrict gambling in their jurisdiction and what more, since gambling is done secretly, they are unaware on the number of addicted players and surely will fail to implement programs that will help gambling addicts because gambling addicts people will not voluntarily submit themselves on the program due to the fear of possible legal action by the government since gambling is prohibited.

The advantage of gambling controlled by a country is that the age of players and gambling addicts can be controlled easily. my country is banned from gambling but many gambling stands illegally here, it is a big loss because the potential for taxes that should be received by the region is very large. Gambling is a potential business, the government can't fight it.

Yes, This is the common implication for totally banning gambling on the country rather than just moderate it because people will always find there way to do it regardless of legal matter as long as they fulfill there gambling needs. Aside from tax, They are letting there people to commit legal offenses which can be avoided by proper moderation of gambling.

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That is why Government should not ban gambling. Because if they do, they are missing the benefits from it. Look at the scenario, the government ban gambling removing the taxation benefits from the industry and yet people still go after gambling, dealing with it illegaly. So this proves that the government failed to restrict gambling in their jurisdiction and what more, since gambling is done secretly, they are unaware on the number of addicted players and surely will fail to implement programs that will help gambling addicts because gambling addicts people will not voluntarily submit themselves on the program due to the fear of possible legal action by the government since gambling is prohibited.

The advantage of gambling controlled by a country is that the age of players and gambling addicts can be controlled easily. my country is banned from gambling but many gambling stands illegally here, it is a big loss because the potential for taxes that should be received by the region is very large. Gambling is a potential business, the government can't fight it.

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Quote from: mindrust on August 01, 2022, 05:05:35 AM

I know die-hard gamblers that travel internationally just because it is illegal to gamble in their home country. Banning gambling isn’t a solution. Those people will find a way. Some of them are not even rich. They just live near the border of a gambler-friendly country and visit them when they gather enough money. Of course they always return empty handed because that’s how gambling works.

This is not a problem for those who decide to follow the path of prohibitions. You can always ban travel abroad, export money, ban VPN (to prevent online gambling), etc. The scary thing is that there will always be people who will be arranged by such measures, if only there was a good pretext. In my opinion, it is wrong to stop some theoretical future violations with the help of human rights violations in advance.

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Quote from: gunhell16 on July 31, 2022, 08:08:47 PM

From what I've seen of you, as a cryptocurrency gambler you yourself have managed it well and you as a player on any gambling platform even in your gambling past have lost a lot of money as well. and maybe also because of your experience you saw the pros and cons here and that's why that pushed you to share it here in the forum that's why you made this kind of topic, and it's a good decision you made in this matter in honestly. Thanks a lot.

besides that, for me, gambling in other countries may be illegal and for others it is legal and whatever their reason is, they definitely have a good reason for it, and for me the influence of gambling is bad but I hope not led to the banning of this type of industry.

I know die-hard gamblers that travel internationally just because it is illegal to gamble in their home country. Banning gambling isn’t a solution. Those people will find a way. Some of them are not even rich. They just live near the border of a gambler-friendly country and visit them when they gather enough money. Of course they always return empty handed because that’s how gambling works.

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Quote from: gunhell16 on July 31, 2022, 08:08:47 PM

From what I've seen of you, as a cryptocurrency gambler you yourself have managed it well and you as a player on any gambling platform even in your gambling past have lost a lot of money as well. and maybe also because of your experience you saw the pros and cons here and that's why that pushed you to share it here in the forum that's why you made this kind of topic, and it's a good decision you made in this matter in honestly. Thanks a lot.

besides that, for me, gambling in other countries may be illegal and for others it is legal and whatever their reason is, they definitely have a good reason for it, and for me the influence of gambling is bad but I hope not led to the banning of this type of industry.

I think sometime we are not even gambling but we lose money and we are in problem and the trouble comes uninvited.
I believe if there is one thing one should keep oneself away from - that is scam and fraud and bad intention.

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From what I've seen of you, as a cryptocurrency gambler you yourself have managed it well and you as a player on any gambling platform even in your gambling past have lost a lot of money as well. and maybe also because of your experience you saw the pros and cons here and that's why that pushed you to share it here in the forum that's why you made this kind of topic, and it's a good decision you made in this matter in honestly. Thanks a lot.

besides that, for me, gambling in other countries may be illegal and for others it is legal and whatever their reason is, they definitely have a good reason for it, and for me the influence of gambling is bad but I hope not led to the banning of this type of industry.

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Quote from: dothebeats on July 28, 2022, 09:29:27 PM

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People who becomes more addictive needs to be given proper care. Gamblers used to turn addictive, but very rare incidents take place for the purpose of money to gamble ending into conviction. Same as de-addiction centre for alcohol, separate centre for gambling needs to be opened. This will help gamblers realise themselves and get cure.

That is correct - government get tax on the money - so why would government ban gambling?
Also the gambling is a huge benefit to the players and the authorities - this is really not possible to ban. Although it is banned in many Islamic states. But even than people find way to play and get benefited.

They would if they can't tax it. That's it.

All those pseudo-righteous governments banning gambling for the sake of "saving society" from problematic gamblers aren't really saving the society from anything. They are just trying to make it look like that so the public supports them from their advocacy. If they can find a way to impose taxes on these platforms, then they would allow it. Easy as that.

I understand the Islamic states. It's part of their religion and beliefs. But other countries? Cheesy

gambling is a big game. In personal as well as in professional life of the gamblor.
Also there is so much revenue this gambling is bringing to the state and to the people around so why would they ban it at first place.

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There's always an opposition when it comes to this manner which means that every decision to be made wouldnt really counter peoples interest or with the masses preference because if they do then it would totally
affect out their popularity or position which it might result into non appealing thing on next election or something related to this.You would definitely be going on what the community prefer.
Although it might end up on not to be ethical but for sure you did make such decision which is really getting along with the majority or huge number on the said community or vicinity.
Gambling whether be banned or not would be entirely depending their own perspective and intents behind which isnt something surprising.

Yes, every decision will always have pros and cons. It's not too surprising that in every country there is a polemic about gambling being banned, but basically people will not have a big influence on the decisions they make. In my country, gambling is strictly prohibited, even if you play somewhere and are caught gambling, you may be penalized. but this does not stop people from gambling, they always play gambling in quiet places and they also have a community. officials shouldn't be able to prevent this because gambling tax revenues are large enough for the state that they have to be carefully considered if they are to make a final decision.

That is why Government should not ban gambling. Because if they do, they are missing the benefits from it. Look at the scenario, the government ban gambling removing the taxation benefits from the industry and yet people still go after gambling, dealing with it illegaly. So this proves that the government failed to restrict gambling in their jurisdiction and what more, since gambling is done secretly, they are unaware on the number of addicted players and surely will fail to implement programs that will help gambling addicts because gambling addicts people will not voluntarily submit themselves on the program due to the fear of possible legal action by the government since gambling is prohibited.

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Quote from: Fatunad on July 31, 2022, 03:49:49 PM

There's always an opposition when it comes to this manner which means that every decision to be made wouldnt really counter peoples interest or with the masses preference because if they do then it would totally
affect out their popularity or position which it might result into non appealing thing on next election or something related to this.You would definitely be going on what the community prefer.
Although it might end up on not to be ethical but for sure you did make such decision which is really getting along with the majority or huge number on the said community or vicinity.
Gambling whether be banned or not would be entirely depending their own perspective and intents behind which isnt something surprising.

Yes, every decision will always have pros and cons. It's not too surprising that in every country there is a polemic about gambling being banned, but basically people will not have a big influence on the decisions they make. In my country, gambling is strictly prohibited, even if you play somewhere and are caught gambling, you may be penalized. but this does not stop people from gambling, they always play gambling in quiet places and they also have a community. officials shouldn't be able to prevent this because gambling tax revenues are large enough for the state that they have to be carefully considered if they are to make a final decision.

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It is a possibility, just to get the trust of the majority of the public to get you back in the office for the next term. If the majority of the people thinks gambling is okay and does more good than harm, they wouldn't really bother about the extreme cases of gamblers that are wasting their lives away because of gambling. There's nothing to be had in trying to save people if the other majority thinks it's a necessary sacrifice for the betterment of society.

That is how politics is played. It always goes for what people want, and like, not what people need. Politics often ride what is the trend so if the trend is about gambling, they weigh which sides have the most votes, if they saw the pro have more benefit in their goal then they will side with pro gambling. And it isn't for the betterment of society but the betterment of their political party. So most government officials' decision about the future of gambling depends on how it will impact their political party. Whether to ban it or not is out of the question, it is whether it is good for the political party or not.

There's always an opposition when it comes to this manner which means that every decision to be made wouldnt really counter peoples interest or with the masses preference because if they do then it would totally
affect out their popularity or position which it might result into non appealing thing on next election or something related to this.You would definitely be going on what the community prefer.
Although it might end up on not to be ethical but for sure you did make such decision which is really getting along with the majority or huge number on the said community or vicinity.
Gambling whether be banned or not would be entirely depending their own perspective and intents behind which isnt something surprising.

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Quote from: dothebeats on July 31, 2022, 03:08:40 PM

It is a possibility, just to get the trust of the majority of the public to get you back in the office for the next term. If the majority of the people thinks gambling is okay and does more good than harm, they wouldn't really bother about the extreme cases of gamblers that are wasting their lives away because of gambling. There's nothing to be had in trying to save people if the other majority thinks it's a necessary sacrifice for the betterment of society.

That is how politics is played. It always goes for what people want, and like, not what people need. Politics often ride what is the trend so if the trend is about gambling, they weigh which sides have the most votes, if they saw the pro have more benefit in their goal then they will side with pro gambling. And it isn't for the betterment of society but the betterment of their political party. So most government officials' decision about the future of gambling depends on how it will impact their political party. Whether to ban it or not is out of the question, it is whether it is good for the political party or not.

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Quote from: swogerino on July 29, 2022, 01:12:05 AM

Quote from: dothebeats on July 28, 2022, 09:29:27 PM

They would if they can't tax it. That's it.

All those pseudo-righteous governments banning gambling for the sake of "saving society" from problematic gamblers aren't really saving the society from anything. They are just trying to make it look like that so the public supports them from their advocacy. If they can find a way to impose taxes on these platforms, then they would allow it. Easy as that.

I understand the Islamic states. It's part of their religion and beliefs. But other countries? Cheesy

I think other countries are just trying to look good to their citizens in order to get another mandate for the next 4 years to rule the country.By doing so they have huge benefits as we know not a single country in the world is free from corruption even Islamic ones which in theory should be.So they sometime use this excuse of banning gambling in order to save society from a huge evil plague that is gambling.From what I have seen this is working in countries where people don't like gambling and the ruling party which implemented such ban got another vote to run the country for 4 years,including where I live now in Western Balkans.

It is a possibility, just to get the trust of the majority of the public to get you back in the office for the next term. If the majority of the people thinks gambling is okay and does more good than harm, they wouldn't really bother about the extreme cases of gamblers that are wasting their lives away because of gambling. There's nothing to be had in trying to save people if the other majority thinks it's a necessary sacrifice for the betterment of society.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on July 15, 2022, 12:55:59 AM

I read an interesting debate about this topic during the time when I experienced heavy loss in online gambling. I’m trying to seek some reason online to justify my loss and give me acceptance for my loss that time. It didn’t help me but make me confused. Grin

Anyway I will share the points of both side because it is the real life scenario.

PS: I’m in favor for not banning gambling. @Livecasino Cheesy

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Conclusion: I got confused because the first time I read this was I’m feeling down that time while my perspective is against gambling but when I read it again when my mind is clear, I realized that the pro side has a valid point too. At that point I noticed that our opinion will varies based on our actual condition because it’s easy to say that it’s just a game if you are not playing and just sitting in the side line but if you are the one who’s experiencing the actual heavy loss, Maybe you will be in favor to the cons side.

We tend to point fingers whenever we are experiencing bad stuff. We want to blame others while saving ourselves from that blame. It is obvious that our mind is clouded during downtime. And it is obvious in the scenario you'd given, though I am glad that those cloudy thoughts had cleared and you see the situation clearly.

That makes me arrive at a thought that maybe, those who are rallying to ban gambling had a bad experience with gambling either by themselves or with their relatives. Instead of blaming their relatives or themselves for their undisciplined actions, they tend to blame it on the gambling industry thus for their action to have gambling banned. I think this is unfair to those who enjoyed gambling activities while keeping themselves in check. Why blame the gambling industry for the undisciplined selves and relatives when it is our own fault for losing control during our gambling activity.

My stance, gambling shouldn't be banned because it brings more benefits than banning it.

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on July 21, 2022, 03:15:20 PM

Gambling is already not allowed in a number of countries, but how do you want to ban that completely and then also control it? I think that's a hopeless job to be honest. As a player, if you live in a country where gambling is prohibited, it is quite easy to play with Crypto and using a VPN on a gambling site that does not ask for a KYC and the ban is quite easy to get around. There are countries such as Spain where online gambling is not allowed but where you have many local shops where you can gamble. Also quite strange of course that it is allowed there and banned online.

I guess no matter how a country's government is very tight on gambling, gamblers will always find ways to gamble, if not land based, then they can go online gambling. So its impossible to ban gambling by all means, although its possible to control it and put regulations, but banning it completely will never be happening totally. In fact, a lot of countries are benefiting are benefiting from the casinos revenues, so instead of banning, it will be much better to prohibit those minors and irresponsible gamblers to stay away from gambling.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on July 15, 2022, 12:55:59 AM

I read an interesting debate about this topic during the time when I experienced heavy loss in online gambling. I’m trying to seek some reason online to justify my loss and give me acceptance for my loss that time. It didn’t help me but make me confused. Grin

Anyway I will share the points of both side because it is the real life scenario.

PS: I’m in favor for not banning gambling. @Livecasino Cheesy

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Conclusion: I got confused because the first time I read this was I’m feeling down that time while my perspective is against gambling but when I read it again when my mind is clear, I realized that the pro side has a valid point too. At that point I noticed that our opinion will varies based on our actual condition because it’s easy to say that it’s just a game if you are not playing and just sitting in the side line but if you are the one who’s experiencing the actual heavy loss, Maybe you will be in favor to the cons side.

While gambling can definitely be a curse for people who get addicted to it, prohibition has shown time and again that it does not work. The gambling industry definitely needs strong regulation and heavy taxation, but it's better for it to all be done legally in the open, rather than hidden away causing deeper societal problems. Making it illegal just drives it underground and makes the bad sides of it so much worse. All casinos and sportbooks should have a mandatory self exclusion, ideally a worldwide scheme could be setup - allowing people to limit their access to such sites for 6 months or even five years. That would really help to solve the addiction side, but addicts also need help with the psychological traps they find themselves in.

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