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Quote from: Kristiyana on April 26, 2024, 03:06:18 PM

We don't really need to blame the fraudster, if you don't fall victim to them there's no way you're going to get scammed, that is why is not advisable for children who's at the age of 17 to start using the internet, reason is because they can easily get scammed.

What do you mean "not advisable"? These days, children have been using the internet since the age of 12, if not earlier. We can't do much about it, and imo we shouldn't. Preventing them using the internet is like pushing them back in the direction of the Stone Age. What we should do is educate our children regarding possible scams on the internet, and ask them to consult us first before following any suspicious links.

And don't keep your Bitcoin on the devices your kids use for browsing the internet, guys. For sure don't do that.

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Quote from: amihada on May 01, 2024, 06:50:41 AM

Cheating is a wrong attitude, if someone does it then they are very blameworthy, the act of cheating cannot be justified.

We don't want blame or any because it a negative thing. What we want to happen of course is to make those people involved be accountable of their foul action taking advantage of other people. But most of the time, don't have anything to do about it. Those people just keeps getting away. So what we can do is to be more aware and cautious of this type of scams.

As said, we cannot chose the people we get transaction with, but we always have the choice to be most responsible participant in the crypto space.

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Cheating is a wrong attitude, if someone does it then they are very blameworthy, the act of cheating cannot be justified.

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Between scammers and the victim who are to be blamed?first the I would blame the scammers more because God has given everybody the potential to work to earn a living and these scammers who are lazy to work genuinely but depend on other people's income for survival.Scammers are inhumane,how would someone just think of causing harm to someone's emotion.The fact that the blames are more on the scammers doesn't mean that the scammed shouldn't be blamed both parties played a role.The Internet is not scam free so every crypto investors should be guided and security concious because those fraudsters are getting with new updates that looks so real to be called scam.

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Quote from: jcojci on April 24, 2024, 04:10:44 AM

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Quote from: teamsherry on April 23, 2024, 06:03:24 PM

IMO neither party Is to blame cause we are all part of a cycle and that is the way the world is, some frudstrs didn't have a choice than to be what there are, it maybe bad friends or even a product of circumstances and environment

I'm sorry but this doesn't make any sense: I understand that some people are luckier than others depending on where they were born, the family, the education they received, etc etc, but if you decide to commit a crime that is on you. Otherwise we should find excuses also for murderers, etc etc. Scamming people is just one easy way to make money, just like stealing, that's it. If you want to earn money the legal way you have plenty of options but of course many choose the quickest and laziest way.

Everyone will have the same opportunity to work hard. However, they cannot compare their results with those of others because they are in accordance with what has been outlined. If there are people who deceive others to get what they want, those are the wrong methods. We can't blame them because they may be having difficulties and are forced to use such methods. But we can advise them not to do such things or cheat others.

Some people can give advice and also provide a way out for people who have often deceived other people. There are people who no longer want to deceive other people because they understand that it is wrong. Deceiving others is a choice made by each person and if they think that deceiving others is wrong, they will not do it again.

What do you mean we can't blame people who deceive others because they may be having difficulties? So you're saying that the law doesn't apply to them? If you're hungry you can stab someone and steal his food? There is no excuse for committing a fraud. I can understand if you go to a supermarket and steal some bread because you're starving, but if you're scamming people online you're just a criminal, that's it.

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We don't really need to blame the fraudster, if you don't fall victim to them there's no way you're going to get scammed, that is why is not advisable for children who's at the age of 17 to start using the internet, reason is because they can easily get scammed. However most people heard about internet fraudsters but you will be surprise on how they will still fall victim to them, I think most of this internet fraudsters are using charm to get what they want.

But if you have fall victim to fraudster before, you will know that we need to blame them for carry out such evil act in the community, and they don't know child or adult if you fall to their traps and they will empty your account to frustrate your life, but fraudster don't live long to enjoy what they have stole from people.

It hard for someone that fell victim to scammers before, to fall victim again because the person will like to share his mistakes for other people to learn and never to fall victims to scammers, which many people have learned from other people mistakes never to be a victim.

Assume there is no scammers in the community, people coins would have be safe even though they mistakenly exposed their details in the public but scammers are now the ones looking for way to have access to people details to hack their accounts, which scammers are to be blame for the fraudulent.

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Have you noticed that whenever someone complain or there is an incident of scam they is always a role that was played by the person in that happening

It happens but not in all cases, you kept your property in your care is quite different from when you lost it out of carelessness or when someone came in and attack you just to steal you money from you, most of the people you see often loose their assets lack the practice of the security measures expected from them to use in shielding over their asset and this scammers uses such weakness to attack them, this is also very common to newbies in mot cases, if you know that you have something that you cherish, then don't wait till you're been attacked before doing something to protect yourself.

When you use a non-custodial wallet in the case of cryptocurrency, you will get a private key or a security phrase and that will be the only key to the security of its funds, so it is your responsibility to protect your money by taking care of them. so if you are careless and click on various phishing links or visit a scam site and try to access your wallet by submitting your private key, it is your own fault. so you can't blame anyone for that.

Not only for Non Custodial wallet when you create a centralized wallet you used a email address and that email and a password is required to access that wallet so here also your safety in your hand if you use a strong password then how can a hackers guess that password? so for both wallet you have to protect yourself. If someone's wallet gets hacked then I'd say it's the person's failure because they didn't ensure their own security and the hacker's success.

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I somehow disagree with the points you have raised, OP.

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I think no matter the new app with added security or software, people would still fall into scam as long as they chose to remain ignorant and disregard security consciousness, we can not protect anyone's holding for them, no matter how many treads on security and how to avoid scams are introduced, at the end of the day its a personal responsibility and each person must play their role in their safety.

Yes, I am an advocate that people should always exercise the most care and diligence whenever they try to deal with downloading applications or registering into a sketchy website. But the fact that there are people who intentionally scam others is not an excuse to a person's ignorance.

At the end of the day, it is all about the existence of these scams. Sure, newbies are party to blame in this perspective but at the same time, why would you scam in the first place? Again, you do not blame the victim- you blame the offender for creating a harmful situation that exposes a newbie's innocence.

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Quote from: Russlenat on April 25, 2024, 05:21:23 AM

This is most common to newbies who are only here to satisfy their greed. You know, if you come to ask them, they’re not really here because they want to learn and take advantage of bitcoin technology, but they are here believing that bitcoin will make them rich instantly without having to experience sleepless nights and inevitable losses. So they are here actually and just want to take shortcuts, and that is the primary reason why these people always end up being scammed. Although they want to avoid scams, but they are the one who are giving hints and motives to the scammers themselves.

Newbies enter into the crypto field just to gain profit faster and this is not a talent but this is their greed which forces them to join crypto investment or trading. If instead of this greed they get knowledge and then accept Bitcoin investment then it will become profitable for them as it acts for others.

Most of the people trust Bitcoin but they are accepting altcoins because they know that Bitcoin will take years for the elevation but altcoins will give them speedy success hence they get trapped into scam coins.

Once investors remove greed from their character then they will no longer choose any scam projects but first they will choose top coins and if they try to look for the new one then they will never step forward without research.

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Quote from: Sonia_123 on April 23, 2024, 04:19:34 PM

Fraudster are people that want money and so are not to be blame because it is their means of livelihood, and so they are always at alert to get defaulters of the internet as their clients . The individual that does not keep it's details safe or due to carelessness will lose it to them.

It is a terrible thing to make stealing your means of livelihood, that can never be used as an excuse; and no matter how gullible or stupid your victims are, you are still worse off than them. BTC is a decentralized network, so personal security is so important, if you do not secure your coins, you are going to lose it to attackers and there would be no way to get it back.

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The sad truth is that we all need to face the reality of these things - there are no exceptions to whatever/whoever it happens to... I can remember when Theymos mistakenly sent a user in here way too much funds than was supposed, and surprisingly, he returned it without being asked.. well, that was a mistake on Theymos' side - I don't think the case would have been the same assuming the person involved wasn't honest.
We all need to be careful out there; if it sounds too good to be true, then It's obviously not.

Quote from: Betwrong on April 11, 2024, 02:56:06 AM

Absolutely. Bitcoin transaction cannot be undone.

it'll be very terrible if Bitcoin was made in a way that you could eject/reverse a transaction... Infact, we'll be experiencing more fraudulent activities way-more than it is now.

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Quote from: Y3shot on April 20, 2024, 01:16:33 PM

Quote from: Chinesebaby on April 09, 2024, 01:10:06 AM

It's true that scammers are everywhere, and as such, that should be enough reasons to make people equip themselves about basic tips to avoiding scam, because if eventually you are able to escape online scam, we have got physical scammers too which if you are not careful likely to rob away your hard earn money too, which is why personal security should always be our top most priority. Thank you

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Exactly. I don't think scam is something that people are not aware of. Their have always been scammers, it is so Dissapointing that beginners that new in cryptocurrency feel so relaxed and don't care how to make research about securing. If one understands security very well and knows the right thing to do it will be very difficult to fall for scammers when scammers tries to take advantage. The reason why most people have always been a victim to scam is because they are not ready to learn and get understanding that will help them to be on a safer side when they come across scammers.

Ignorance is the reason why scammers get people easily and people are not even ready to learn to be guided .

Scammers have been present already even before, and a lot have experienced being scammed already. So if you think being not cautious and careful won’t harm you at all, then learn from the experiences of those who have been scammed all of a sudden.

My point is that no one gets scam if everyone is taking extra care with their finances and investments. We are the ones who are giving hints to those scammers, so the moment they noticed us, we will already be their sudden target for scamming.

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We don't really need to blame the fraudster, if you don't fall victim to them there's no way you're going to get scammed, that is why is not advisable for children who's at the age of 17 to start using the internet, reason is because they can easily get scammed. However most people heard about internet fraudsters but you will be surprise on how they will still fall victim to them, I think most of this internet fraudsters are using charm to get what they want.

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Quote from: kentrolla on April 05, 2024, 01:30:53 PM

We cannot blame the fraudsters as they are inhumane and lacks the humanity else they won't be cheating and robbing innocent and foolish people. I think we need to be very cautious but still there are chances users can be fooled at least expected platforms I see everyday people are getting scammed through the fake e-commerce sites and all. This has to be stopped which is possible with only harsh punishment for the preparators else they will keep on figuring out new way to fool us. We need strong cybersecurity and anti scan system in place the scammers should be traced and punished.

Frausters have this mindset of hunting for people that will fall victim and we should know that many people has not emecouter fraudsters before that's why the fall to their antics, the crypto world is full of scam that's why every potential investor should get rid of greed, why most people fall to this cheap scams is because they want to use a small amount of capital to make a huge amount in a twinkle of eye which is not possible, most people that has been scamed in cryptocurrency is because if selfishness and greed, though what you said is true in the aspect of building an efficient cybersecurity to track scammers anywhere they are but the problem is that this scammers are always improving in their antics, so it takes a highly effectient,sophiscated and trusted syetem to achieve this but then individuals needs to be more careful in other to avoid being scammed because this scammers will engage you in conversation to know what you really want before the can come up with your exact satisfiable investment plan and once you fall your funds is irretivable and that's it.

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Quote from: Y3shot on April 20, 2024, 01:16:33 PM

Quote from: Chinesebaby on April 09, 2024, 01:10:06 AM

It's true that scammers are everywhere, and as such, that should be enough reasons to make people equip themselves about basic tips to avoiding scam, because if eventually you are able to escape online scam, we have got physical scammers too which if you are not careful likely to rob away your hard earn money too, which is why personal security should always be our top most priority. Thank you

ChineseBaby

Exactly. I don't think scam is something that people are not aware of. Their have always been scammers, it is so Dissapointing that beginners that new in cryptocurrency feel so relaxed and don't care how to make research about securing. If one understands security very well and knows the right thing to do it will be very difficult to fall for scammers when scammers tries to take advantage. The reason why most people have always been a victim to scam is because they are not ready to learn and get understanding that will help them to be on a safer side when they come across scammers.

Ignorance is the reason why scammers get people easily and people are not even ready to learn to be guided .

This is most common to newbies who are only here to satisfy their greed. You know, if you come to ask them, they’re not really here because they want to learn and take advantage of bitcoin technology, but they are here believing that bitcoin will make them rich instantly without having to experience sleepless nights and inevitable losses. So they are here actually and just want to take shortcuts, and that is the primary reason why these people always end up being scammed. Although they want to avoid scams, but they are the one who are giving hints and motives to the scammers themselves.

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Quote from: macson on April 19, 2024, 04:51:18 AM

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Times are getting crazier, because it's hard to get money nowadays, lots of people do crazy things, a few days ago my neighbor was cheated by his "future" wife out of hundreds of millions of rupiah, the woman hijacked the man's smartphone and withdrew all of the man's savings, i wonder if this guy has Bitcoin on his smartphone, it's definitely not safe, however, fraudsters can come in any form and usually in the form of friends and close people, so be careful with people close to you, it's not a problem if you invest suspicious of them.

Incredible story. I'm so sorry for your neighbour. Returning to the OP's title, do we really need to blame fraudsters, I think fraudsters are fraudsters and they will always be with us, unfortunately. We can't be on guard all the time, sometimes we need to rest and relax, and in those times we may become victims of the mean and dishonest people like that "future" wife of your neighbour. I'm afraid there's nothing we can do about it, sometimes we will be deceived, but we should do everything possible to reduce the number of times.

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Quote from: Ale88 on April 23, 2024, 07:37:07 PM

Quote from: teamsherry on April 23, 2024, 06:03:24 PM

IMO neither party Is to blame cause we are all part of a cycle and that is the way the world is, some frudstrs didn't have a choice than to be what there are, it maybe bad friends or even a product of circumstances and environment

I'm sorry but this doesn't make any sense: I understand that some people are luckier than others depending on where they were born, the family, the education they received, etc etc, but if you decide to commit a crime that is on you. Otherwise we should find excuses also for murderers, etc etc. Scamming people is just one easy way to make money, just like stealing, that's it. If you want to earn money the legal way you have plenty of options but of course many choose the quickest and laziest way.

Everyone will have the same opportunity to work hard. However, they cannot compare their results with those of others because they are in accordance with what has been outlined. If there are people who deceive others to get what they want, those are the wrong methods. We can't blame them because they may be having difficulties and are forced to use such methods. But we can advise them not to do such things or cheat others.

Some people can give advice and also provide a way out for people who have often deceived other people. There are people who no longer want to deceive other people because they understand that it is wrong. Deceiving others is a choice made by each person and if they think that deceiving others is wrong, they will not do it again.

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Quote from: teamsherry on April 23, 2024, 06:03:24 PM

IMO neither party Is to blame cause we are all part of a cycle and that is the way the world is, some frudstrs didn't have a choice than to be what there are, it maybe bad friends or even a product of circumstances and environment

I'm sorry but this doesn't make any sense: I understand that some people are luckier than others depending on where they were born, the family, the education they received, etc etc, but if you decide to commit a crime that is on you. Otherwise we should find excuses also for murderers, etc etc. Scamming people is just one easy way to make money, just like stealing, that's it. If you want to earn money the legal way you have plenty of options but of course many choose the quickest and laziest way.

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IMO neither party Is to blame cause we are all part of a cycle and that is the way the world is, some frudstrs didn't have a choice than to be what there are, it maybe bad friends or even a product of circumstances and environment and those who arr scammed can not be blamed for been ignorant too cause some of them are still early in crypto or was introduced by even the scammer and that's just how they got scammed. So I don't really want to point fingers but rather to say that as someone into crypto there is a level of responsibility for each of us and that is to protect what is ours by practicing safety, cause rarely have I heard of a wallet getting hacked before so it's mostly out of carelessness that we lose our asset.

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Fraudster are people that want money and so are not to be blame because it is their means of livelihood, and so they are always at alert to get defaulters of the internet as their clients . The individual that does not keep it's details safe or due to carelessness will lose it to them.

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