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Quote from: Y3shot on April 20, 2024, 01:16:33 PM

Quote from: Chinesebaby on April 09, 2024, 01:10:06 AM

It's true that scammers are everywhere, and as such, that should be enough reasons to make people equip themselves about basic tips to avoiding scam, because if eventually you are able to escape online scam, we have got physical scammers too which if you are not careful likely to rob away your hard earn money too, which is why personal security should always be our top most priority. Thank you

ChineseBaby

Exactly. I don't think scam is something that people are not aware of. Their have always been scammers, it is so Dissapointing that beginners that new in cryptocurrency feel so relaxed and don't care how to make research about securing. If one understands security very well and knows the right thing to do it will be very difficult to fall for scammers when scammers tries to take advantage. The reason why most people have always been a victim to scam is because they are not ready to learn and get understanding that will help them to be on a safer side when they come across scammers.

Ignorance is the reason why scammers get people easily and people are not even ready to learn to be guided .

You are right people are aware of scam but people are not totally aware of different ways that scammers operate that's why they easily fall for scammers because scammers are very smart and they have a special way of luring people to places that that they can easily finish them. Making research does not reduce scammers but it helps to get personal information which can reduce the level at which people run to other people for help but how many people can devote the time to personal learning, not everyone remembers to research when they have issues it's all about getting solutions easily by asking questions from people even strangers so yes until people realize and stop running for cheap and quick solutions they will always be easily manipulated and scammed.

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Quote from: Chinesebaby on April 09, 2024, 01:10:06 AM

It's true that scammers are everywhere, and as such, that should be enough reasons to make people equip themselves about basic tips to avoiding scam, because if eventually you are able to escape online scam, we have got physical scammers too which if you are not careful likely to rob away your hard earn money too, which is why personal security should always be our top most priority. Thank you

ChineseBaby

Exactly. I don't think scam is something that people are not aware of. Their have always been scammers, it is so Dissapointing that beginners that new in cryptocurrency feel so relaxed and don't care how to make research about securing. If one understands security very well and knows the right thing to do it will be very difficult to fall for scammers when scammers tries to take advantage. The reason why most people have always been a victim to scam is because they are not ready to learn and get understanding that will help them to be on a safer side when they come across scammers.

Ignorance is the reason why scammers get people easily and people are not even ready to learn to be guided .

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Quote from: Z_MBFM on April 20, 2024, 06:39:11 AM

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Quote from: Troytech on April 05, 2024, 01:02:34 PM

Have you noticed that whenever someone complain or there is an incident of scam they is always a role that was played by the person in that happening

It happens but not in all cases, you kept your property in your care is quite different from when you lost it out of carelessness or when someone came in and attack you just to steal you money from you, most of the people you see often loose their assets lack the practice of the security measures expected from them to use in shielding over their asset and this scammers uses such weakness to attack them, this is also very common to newbies in mot cases, if you know that you have something that you cherish, then don't wait till you're been attacked before doing something to protect yourself.

When you use a non-custodial wallet in the case of cryptocurrency, you will get a private key or a security phrase and that will be the only key to the security of its funds, so it is your responsibility to protect your money by taking care of them. so if you are careless and click on various phishing links or visit a scam site and try to access your wallet by submitting your private key, it is your own fault. so you can't blame anyone for that.

Of course it's your responsibility but you must also take in consideration that everybody makes mistakes, even the most experienced users sometimes can simply overlook something because maybe that day they feel a little off. Doing some victim blaming just because you are 100% sure it won't ever happen to you is just plain wrong. Everybody can ben scammed.

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Would you blame innocent people for been ignorant or blame fraudsters for been evil, no one told fraudsters to be evil and take advantage of other people. Well I think your only saying this cause you have never experienced such loss before, else you won't be bringing this up.

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Quote from: Z_MBFM on April 20, 2024, 06:39:11 AM

Quote from: Aanuoluwatofunmi on April 05, 2024, 01:49:54 PM

Quote from: Troytech on April 05, 2024, 01:02:34 PM

Have you noticed that whenever someone complain or there is an incident of scam they is always a role that was played by the person in that happening

It happens but not in all cases, you kept your property in your care is quite different from when you lost it out of carelessness or when someone came in and attack you just to steal you money from you, most of the people you see often loose their assets lack the practice of the security measures expected from them to use in shielding over their asset and this scammers uses such weakness to attack them, this is also very common to newbies in mot cases, if you know that you have something that you cherish, then don't wait till you're been attacked before doing something to protect yourself.

When you use a non-custodial wallet in the case of cryptocurrency, you will get a private key or a security phrase and that will be the only key to the security of its funds, so it is your responsibility to protect your money by taking care of them. so if you are careless and click on various phishing links or visit a scam site and try to access your wallet by submitting your private key, it is your own fault. so you can't blame anyone for that.

Well, it definitely the fault of the user, but it still doesn't mean that fraudsters can't be blamed, they should be punished for their actions. And users should be more careful. If something like that happens for the first time, it might be not even the complete fault of a user, maybe no one taught him that and he never faced anything like that. If someone is falling for something like that every time, then there is definitely something wrong with this person.

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Quote from: Aanuoluwatofunmi on April 05, 2024, 01:49:54 PM

Quote from: Troytech on April 05, 2024, 01:02:34 PM

Have you noticed that whenever someone complain or there is an incident of scam they is always a role that was played by the person in that happening

It happens but not in all cases, you kept your property in your care is quite different from when you lost it out of carelessness or when someone came in and attack you just to steal you money from you, most of the people you see often loose their assets lack the practice of the security measures expected from them to use in shielding over their asset and this scammers uses such weakness to attack them, this is also very common to newbies in mot cases, if you know that you have something that you cherish, then don't wait till you're been attacked before doing something to protect yourself.

When you use a non-custodial wallet in the case of cryptocurrency, you will get a private key or a security phrase and that will be the only key to the security of its funds, so it is your responsibility to protect your money by taking care of them. so if you are careless and click on various phishing links or visit a scam site and try to access your wallet by submitting your private key, it is your own fault. so you can't blame anyone for that.

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Quote from: macson on April 19, 2024, 04:51:18 AM

Times are getting crazier, because it's hard to get money nowadays, lots of people do crazy things, a few days ago my neighbor was cheated by his "future" wife out of hundreds of millions of rupiah, the woman hijacked the man's smartphone and withdrew all of the man's savings, i wonder if this guy has Bitcoin on his smartphone, it's definitely not safe, however, fraudsters can come in any form and usually in the form of friends and close people, so be careful with people close to you, it's not a problem if you invest suspicious of them.

Hijack the smartphone and withdraw all the man's savings in bank account. It is a serious story and loss for the man and for people who want to show off their rich and property.

I guess the man could use very weak password so that the woman, his 'future' wife, could hijack that smart phone and bank account password to withdraw all his saving.

Some lessons to learn.

Don't show off your rich to other people.
Use strong passwords.
Don't store your money on phones.

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Quote from: Betwrong on April 11, 2024, 02:56:06 AM

Quote from: Troytech on April 05, 2024, 01:02:34 PM

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If more people realise that decentralized systems isn't like a banking or centralized system were you can go and report a transaction and they seize the persons money or track the person( although its possible if they are not smart enough) then you would be more careful when doing deals here.

Absolutely. Bitcoin transaction cannot be undone. I would like to draw attention to the virus that has caused a lot of losses recently. It infects you computer and does nothing except it waits until you make a transaction and it changes the address you just copied to another one. Please, guys, double check what you are pasting.

Times are getting crazier, because it's hard to get money nowadays, lots of people do crazy things, a few days ago my neighbor was cheated by his "future" wife out of hundreds of millions of rupiah, the woman hijacked the man's smartphone and withdrew all of the man's savings, i wonder if this guy has Bitcoin on his smartphone, it's definitely not safe, however, fraudsters can come in any form and usually in the form of friends and close people, so be careful with people close to you, it's not a problem if you invest suspicious of them.

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Quote from: 7juju on April 18, 2024, 05:07:55 AM

people fall victim to what they don't have knowledge about. It is a big risk to invest your money on something you have no adequate knowledge about. Since you don't have knowledge about it, you won't easily detect when they will start scamming you. You hard earned money should go into something that's worth it. You don't just suffer the money only to lose to the hand of some scammers. I support your view about going for knowledge first

It is not just because they are innocent and lack of knowledge but these people the scammers because of their greed. Scammers will take advantage of those who are bold and greedy, and those people who aim to become rich instantly. We can blame these scammers but also, we need to think the reason why we become a victim of scams. That is for sure there is a problem within ourselves that makes us easily tempted by their offer which in fact, scamming is not a new thing not only in the crypto space but also in the areas.

These scammers never win or find any victim if we all are responsible enough and are not greedy.

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That's a fact but even though at that extent a lot of people are ignorant or some latest techniques used in scamming most people are not really into technology which makes them ignorant of it so looking towards there side NOTE: I did not kick against your point because it's a very vibrant point but as per dat security level should be upgraded not only in the bank but even the people should be educated about what fraud is all about and the different ways it can occur

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Quote from: Patrol69 on April 11, 2024, 11:16:11 AM

Quote from: Yamifoud on April 09, 2024, 06:43:36 PM

Innocent people work hard and sweat just to make money but unfortunately, scammers take it away easily without a sweat. And ask if these scammers are going to be blamed. They deserve to have it because if they are a responsible person and if they look at the situation of others, they won't make innocent people a fool but they did it for the sake of their own. In fact, being a scammer/fraudster is not a job that they will be proud of it and it is a big shame of the family. These people should not gain respect in the community no matter what is their reason.

One should focus on how to protect one's earned money rather than just focusing on making money. You go fishing and if the vessel you take with you has holes in it, no matter how many fish you catch, you will never have any fish in that vessel. Similarly you are sacrificing a lot and working hard to earn money but if you don't keep your money in the right place then your hard work is in vain. Before planning our income, we must first plan where we will keep that money after income. When we have a safe place to keep our money, even if we earn relatively little money, our money will be safe there, and having our money safe means we are secure.

Of course, it will be very important for everyone to be able to protect their assets well compared to just focusing on collecting their assets, because if we only focus on collecting them and don't protect them, of course this will be detrimental to ourselves because we have taken the trouble to collect it, have a plan before having income, of course this will be very good and we must be able to store it in a place that we can guarantee from other people's crimes so that we can still have what we have earned from the work we do.

The security of our money is very important even though the income we have is not much, but if we can save it in a safe place and continue to collect it, of course one day the money we have will be a lot too.

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Quote from: kryptqnick on April 07, 2024, 11:22:36 AM

I disagree with the vibe of the op because I think victim-blaming is generally a bad practice. It's easy to criticize in hindsight, and it's natural to blame the victims because we want to think that we're doing something better and that's why we won't become such victims. But ultimately, the victims are just that, victims. They should not be blamed for what happened to them, and both legal and moral blame is on the scammers.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to educate ourselves, be careful with our finances, and be aware of scammers. But everyone makes mistakes, and it's a part of life. Not everyone, however, chooses to prey on vulnerable people and steal their money one way or another.

I feel the same way too, what is bad should be seen as a bad thing, if we blame the victims it will look like we are saying that scammers are doing the right thing.

If one is scammed the first time, it's acceptable to say that it's the scammer's fault but if it happens again then it's the victim's fault. I know that some scammers have no choice but to scam people due to their hard situations but honestly, it's an excuse to make themselves feel better.

People need to be very careful with money, when it comes to investment they have to put aside their money first and go after all the necessary knowledge needed to be on the right path, the lack of knowledge is the culprit to why many people fall victim to scams.

Of course people fall victim to what they don't have knowledge about. It is a big risk to invest your money on something you have no adequate knowledge about. Since you don't have knowledge about it, you won't easily detect when they will start scamming you. You hard earned money should go into something that's worth it. You don't just suffer the money only to lose to the hand of some scammers. I support your view about going for knowledge first

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Quote from: Betwrong on April 11, 2024, 02:56:06 AM

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Absolutely. Bitcoin transaction cannot be undone. I would like to draw attention to the virus that has caused a lot of losses recently. It infects you computer and does nothing except it waits until you make a transaction and it changes the address you just copied to another one. Please, guys, double check what you are pasting.

Hmmm, how is that even possible? Changing one's address during transaction operations, like this is weird though my antivirus is always updated to prevent any form of malwares from harming my computer. People can be so lazy and careless because so many people feels that an address is too long and since it involves combining figures and letters, they find it difficult to run a Cross check before performing an operation but this is just a lazy attitude because it takes someone that have lost a lot of money due to laziness and carelessness to know the importance of making sure an address you are sending your assets to is confirmed thoroughly.

It's not changing one's address during transaction operations, it's changing it before you make a transaction. You copy an address to which you want to transfer your BTC and you paste it in the field "Pay to" in your wallet, and if you pasted the same address that you copied then your money will go in the right direction, but if it was changed to another address in your buffer and you didn't notice that the address you pasted is different from the address that you just copied and click the "Send" button and confirm it by entering your password, the money will go to the address the malware has provided.

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Quote from: Wakate on April 11, 2024, 03:12:46 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on April 11, 2024, 02:56:06 AM

Quote from: Troytech on April 05, 2024, 01:02:34 PM

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If more people realise that decentralized systems isn't like a banking or centralized system were you can go and report a transaction and they seize the persons money or track the person( although its possible if they are not smart enough) then you would be more careful when doing deals here.

Absolutely. Bitcoin transaction cannot be undone. I would like to draw attention to the virus that has caused a lot of losses recently. It infects you computer and does nothing except it waits until you make a transaction and it changes the address you just copied to another one. Please, guys, double check what you are pasting.

Hackers are now using sophisticated ways to steal money for users than fall to their trap. Decentralized way of transaction is quite good but it also has it own disadvantage just like many people keeps complaining about KYC on a Centralized platforms. If this kind of attack happens on a Centralized platforms, the matter can be handled any the address can be flagged by the AML bot which is going to be tag and if the fund eventually enters any exchange, the fund would be held by the team for further investigation. All we have to be doing is to make sure that we are at alert taking decisions that would prevent us from losing our funds.

Perhaps, they are smart but we can just be innocent on how to protect ourselves from them. If we just keep in mind that there is no easy money in here as this is the usual tactic they offer, we never fall into their tricks. Unfortunately, most of us have changed when it comes to money and easily forget those scam stories shared until we get scammed and realize it. Most of us don't do further research about the project but instead, invest instantly because of the of high ROI promises. Yes, if we blame these scammers, we also blame ourselves for being too greedy as we fail to know their real scam intention.

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Quote from: Betwrong on April 11, 2024, 02:56:06 AM

Quote from: Troytech on April 05, 2024, 01:02:34 PM

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If more people realise that decentralized systems isn't like a banking or centralized system were you can go and report a transaction and they seize the persons money or track the person( although its possible if they are not smart enough) then you would be more careful when doing deals here.

Absolutely. Bitcoin transaction cannot be undone. I would like to draw attention to the virus that has caused a lot of losses recently. It infects you computer and does nothing except it waits until you make a transaction and it changes the address you just copied to another one. Please, guys, double check what you are pasting.

Hackers are now using sophisticated ways to steal money for users than fall to their trap. Decentralized way of transaction is quite good but it also has it own disadvantage just like many people keeps complaining about KYC on a Centralized platforms. If this kind of attack happens on a Centralized platforms, the matter can be handled any the address can be flagged by the AML bot which is going to be tag and if the fund eventually enters any exchange, the fund would be held by the team for further investigation. All we have to be doing is to make sure that we are at alert taking decisions that would prevent us from losing our funds.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on April 09, 2024, 06:43:36 PM

Innocent people work hard and sweat just to make money but unfortunately, scammers take it away easily without a sweat. And ask if these scammers are going to be blamed. They deserve to have it because if they are a responsible person and if they look at the situation of others, they won't make innocent people a fool but they did it for the sake of their own. In fact, being a scammer/fraudster is not a job that they will be proud of it and it is a big shame of the family. These people should not gain respect in the community no matter what is their reason.

One should focus on how to protect one's earned money rather than just focusing on making money. You go fishing and if the vessel you take with you has holes in it, no matter how many fish you catch, you will never have any fish in that vessel. Similarly you are sacrificing a lot and working hard to earn money but if you don't keep your money in the right place then your hard work is in vain. Before planning our income, we must first plan where we will keep that money after income. When we have a safe place to keep our money, even if we earn relatively little money, our money will be safe there, and having our money safe means we are secure.

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on April 05, 2024, 04:19:53 PM

Behind each scam or hack, there is a story. Due to our irresponsibility, most of the scams are happening. They aren't physically attacking us. They have just been using some tricks, and we are falling for them. That's how we hand over our funds to scammers or hackers. Human means most of us are greedy, which drives us to lose our funds. When we see something lucrative, we usually jump on it, though there is risk. We don't want to research it very well and end up losing funds. Millions have been scammed every year due to our carelessness. If we don't want to help ourselves, then no one will help us.

I absolutely agree with you, just like what you said behind every scam or fraud their is always a convincing conversation that is capable to manipulate the mind, we can't just deny the facts that we humans are really smart enough to the extent of persuading someone to do something even out of his/her will, it's a mind game.

What we know nothing about makes us ignorant and while we are these ignorant we are much prone to falling victims of scams, as humans on a fewer bases are more likely to learn from experience, it isn't the best policy but we can't run from it, the smarter we think we are there is every tendency of people who are some multiple times smarter than we think of ourself. It's good to be extremely careful, it counters the countable number of times we would have to fall victim of these scams, and when we eventually fall for it, it's best to take on the blame and avoid making same mistakes, also educating others on how to avoid becoming a victim as well.

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Quote from: HajiBagi on April 11, 2024, 05:35:08 AM

I don't blame anyone who has been scammed because no matter how intelligent you are, you will eventually fall into a scammer's traps. For example, you may visit a website that the scammer created and fall victim to their deceptive tactics. Scammers are the kind of people who carry out their scams in ways that are impossible for you to recognise. My friend is really good at using websites to make money; in fact, I really admire him for his intelligence. However, one day, he entered a website by mistake, clicked a link, and lost all of the money in his wallet. The only thing that saved him was the fact that he had multiple wallets, so he didn't have too much money in one. Ever since, he has told me that no one is perfect and that scammers can trick you no matter how intelligent you are.

When someone falls into a fraud trap, of course they are not aware of this if they do not have a good understanding of it because if someone understands well what they are doing, of course they will research it first before deciding to use a site that will be used to make money. and indeed it would be better for us to be careful in clicking on links that we don't really know the source of so that things don't harm ourselves, because currently there are a lot of frauds that occur by sending a link that later they can easily access. data that is on the cellphone that we have and we have to be very careful in order to avoid losses that might become targets of this fraud.

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Quote from: Hatchy on April 05, 2024, 02:12:31 PM

You should know that most times these fraudsters have the ability to manipulate your ! mentality and scam you. So when someone falls victim of fraud, it's not only because they were irresponsible or not security conscious but also because they were tricked. The truth is that anyone can fall victims of scam. Even those we might think are experts may also be vulnerable to scam. There might be little doors that may grant access to these hackers, scammer to get your funds. As an investor, you should be able to secure your funds at all cost and this can only be achieved by constantly being updated with security tips. Avoid anything that looks too good to be true. Don't link your funded account to unknown sites.

I don't blame anyone who has been scammed because no matter how intelligent you are, you will eventually fall into a scammer's traps. For example, you may visit a website that the scammer created and fall victim to their deceptive tactics. Scammers are the kind of people who carry out their scams in ways that are impossible for you to recognise. My friend is really good at using websites to make money; in fact, I really admire him for his intelligence. However, one day, he entered a website by mistake, clicked a link, and lost all of the money in his wallet. The only thing that saved him was the fact that he had multiple wallets, so he didn't have too much money in one. Ever since, he has told me that no one is perfect and that scammers can trick you no matter how intelligent you are.

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