Topic: Do we really need to blame fraudsters - page 8. (Read 1582 times)

On the one hand, I understand your point, but on the other hand, I believe that your approach is way too absolute and harsh. How is it even possible to not blame the scammers for taking advantage of other people's ignorance? Not everything is as certain as you make it sound. I've almost gotten scammed once after returning from work exhausted. I knew the dangers of what I was doing; I connected my website to a phishing site. It wasn't ignorance; I was just on autopilot, not thinking a thing. Luckily, adrenaline kicked in and prevented the worst.

Some scams are flat out dumb, and falling for them might be ridiculous. However, my point is that you cannot blame those who get scammed; some are due to ignorance, greediness, carelessness, or simply because it can also happen to anybody, even with experience.

In as much as we are responsible for the mistake of letting someone hack us, it doesn’t mean that it’s okay to defraud or we should take some blame off the shoulders of fraudsters. They are doing what is inappropriate and should go to jail for it. Look at it from an angle where you have a house and went out without locking your door but then someone comes to your door, and because he can, he walks inside and takes your bags of cash. The police would be really glade to get involved in such.

Are you for sure? You are saying we should not blame the scammer or the fraudsters. This is hilarious. A scammer came to and deceived me and go away with my money or property and you are welcome should not blame him. You and Op know that they guys use charms to catch their victim sometimes? And if yes will you still not blame them and blame the victim? Well everyone has their own experience and opinions on matters like this. So I will not also blame you and probably you have not been scammed so you don't know how painful it is to someone.

I have heard a story that scammer visited a house and convinced the man and scammed him and slet with the wife. Those are not ordinary things. In all ways I blame the scammer and not the victim whether conscious or not. They are sometimes scammers force victims to surrender their belongings to them, if not they would expose them and all those are part of the tricks.

It is both parties fault for me.
If there is no scammer then there wouldn't be a victim, but at the same if there is no one who would fall for their scams they would stop on doing it since it would just be a waste of time.
We could easily avoid being scammed if we would just pay attention to how unrealistic their investment is, or paying attention to details or info.

I don't want to blame the victims, even though they are part of what created this tragedy. They may be successful in their own fields such as business, manufacturing, artistic creation... but they lack experience in the crypto market, and they really need the help of the community. Unfortunately, their understanding when entering the market is less than the dangers they face. I hope that with the development of the crypto community, with the appearance of useful content in many languages, investors can learn a lot of knowledge before investing, at least to protect their assets.

I don't blame the fraudsters, I condemn them and want them all to be held accountable before the law for the consequences they create. Do Kwon and Sam BF are typical examples, they are temporarily in jail to make society safer, and at the same time become an example for other fraudsters to fear. However, the sad thing is that no matter how active the police are, they cannot handle all the increasingly sophisticated fraudsters, investors also have to protect themselves in the market: choose good projects to participate in, not trust anyone and self-custody crypto assets.

Firstly, I don't think there is any need for the big question in bold, here. Because obviously you're not disputing the fact that not only one plays the role in scam rather the both party does.

It's very much obvious that both the scammers and the scammed plays a very big role in every scam case but the fact that this scammers are just so greed not to go work for their own money rather prefer to take from people who have worked for themselves, that's the only place I blame this scammers hence, I thing the people scammed in the crypto space especially with the Ponzi scheme scam are truly at fault for there lost coins. Greed plays a major role in this scam case most victims are very greedy to the extent of risking their money to get more with someone who you don't even know.

It's just poor to see such scenarios but it's true that both party plays a very big role in every scam, but we pray circumstances don't befall us hence we could be save in the crypto space, because for sure there is no 100% safe place in the internet.

Do remember the idiomatic expression - " It takes two to tango." So we can't blame the fraudster alone why such incident is happening. A lot of scamming activities are owed to the greediness of people. Hoping that they will get rich quick, and so they will fall to the bait of these fraudsters.

So every fraud has a story and we can learn from it. But if it will be repeated again and again, then, that's what you call madness. I understand people are after for the quick money, but they need to know where it is coming from, if they are being compromised with the situation.

Of course the scammers still have responsibility over the crime but I do agree.

Some people are too foolish that you can’t even find it in yourself to feel bad for them. If one is always losing money because of their carelessness, no one else is to blame but them. Likewise, we all should stay vigilant and try our best to protect our assets.

Behind each scam or hack, there is a story. Due to our irresponsibility, most of the scams are happening. They aren't physically attacking us. They have just been using some tricks, and we are falling for them. That's how we hand over our funds to scammers or hackers. Human means most of us are greedy, which drives us to lose our funds. When we see something lucrative, we usually jump on it, though there is risk. We don't want to research it very well and end up losing funds. Millions have been scammed every year due to our carelessness. If we don't want to help ourselves, then no one will help us. 

Whether we want to blame fraudsters or not, it doesn't seem to have any influence on them. They will continue to carry out their mission to reap profits and get as much money as possible as long as they can and don't get caught. yes because this may be part of their "profession". I say profession because this is [a job they do, deliberately and also managed very well.

Moreover, they also understand that there are still many people they can easily deceive. the people who are:
- Greedy
- Want to get rich instantly
- Easy to panic
- FOMO
- Without knowledge

And perhaps there are many other types of people who are very easily deceived and fall into the trap of fraudsters. And here it's not a matter of whether they are wrong or not, it's just what they did. And they take advantage of the conditions of these people to gain profit.

What we have to do is make sure we avoid various frauds and scams. because they won't stop even though we blame them so much.

In most cases we are to blame, which is unfortunate, but true. There's just a few golden rules to holding bitcoin and it's really easy to follow them. Don't hold bitcoin on any centralized platforms, make sure your coins are offline and secure, don't trust but verify and don't shitcoin. I've never heard of anyone who owned a hardware wallet and was careful with bitcoin and still lost money to scammers.
I've been around since 2014 and I still have coins bought at that time. I've never been scammed and the only time I got close was when I was researching cloud mining and stuff.

Scam is of different class from hack, because scam have to do with the victim playing in to the scammers trap, while hack can happen in a software which is out of the victims control some times.
So we have to specify which we are talking about, if it scam then we can say that it sometimes requires the involvement and role of the victims and in most cases is either facilited by the gullibility of the victims or play out the greed of the victims, but hacks is a different ball game entirely.

As far as crypto currency is concerned, scams will never do away, and scammers can not be blamed for having someone fall a victim to their tricks, for this is same thing like setting a trap in the bush to catch a rat, in the end, some rats may see that trap, see what is there as food to lure it in, and still pass because, it's instinct tells it that it's a trap, while another rat may come around, seeing it's a trap, but won't possibly recognize it because, it's mind, body and soul is fixed on that food which the trap setter had put on the trap to lure the rat in, and unfortunately, this rat will go for that food and eventually fall into the trap, now, do we blame the trap setter for catching and killing a rat?, No, but we blame the rat for not being wise enough to know that that was a trap.

This is what happens to many people who fall victim to various type of scam, there is always something that the scammers use to lure their victims in, since they can't attack their victims physically with a gun and other weapons to forcefully steal from them, they set traps, and who ever falls into any of those traps have him or herself to blame, why, because we ought to understand the market we are in, and constantly keep ourselves up to date everything including security of our funds.

It's not as easy and simple as you are trying to put it. When someone gets scammed, they don't just give their money away to someone who comes to them asking for it. As said by other members, they have manipulative approaches and they will trick you in ways that you wouldn't understand that you are getting scammed. I know you can prevent that from happening if you have had similar encounters in the past, but if it's your first time and you don't see anything shady at that moment, you are most likely going to fall for it. And remember, a third person would know it's a scam if they are told but when a person is stuck in such a situation, they won't be able to easily identify that they are getting scammed.

Scammers are expert in their craft, and you would know it when you face it yourself. I was once getting scammed on Telegram. I was working with an agency, the scammer contacted me as the head of our team, and believe me, he had set his account in such a way that you wouldn't even realize that it is someone else. He asked me to lend him some money because he isn't able to access his account at that moment. I almost fell for it until I realized I already had an open chat window with the guy and it is not him.

The point is, they make situations where it becomes difficult for you to evaluate what's happening quickly, and by the time you realize that, they have already done their work and there is nothing you can do after that point.

for me I will say that it is a humans that promote fraudulent activities to the society so I believe that what causes the art of scam is due to We Are Over interested and overwheling to get what we know quite well that cannot be easy to be achieved with the such strategies a normal circumstances a scammers does not have a conscience only thing that have to offer you is to take away the one that you have achieved because there are interested to enrich themselves with the others sweat, so that is why when you look at them you minimize your way of being greedy or being interested to make money with a small amount of capital.

Whoa, let's take a step back for a minute.  Are we really saying it's the victim's fault if they get scammed? That would be like blaming someone who gets jumped in a dark alley for walking there in the first place.

Look, scammers can be super crafty and manipulative.  They always look for new ways to take advantage of people.  But we cant expect everyone to be experts on how to avoid being tricked and  sure, education helps. But the responsibility can't all be on the potential victim to outsmart every nasty scam out there.  We should be calling out the scammers, not blaming people who get fooled.

Don't put all fraudsters in one basket.

When it comes to shitcoin pumpers who promise something out of nothing, you, the investor, are to blame. A great example here is bitconnect, but also many other scam projects that were invented to such value out of bitcoin, like BSV. If you buy and hold these coins you are to blame.
Every coin has 2 sides though and there are scams that were supposed to be legit companies like FTX and many other failed exchanges (Gox, Quadriga). I don't think you can blame the client for using a popular exchange that looks legit, sponsors celebrities and events and has been around for years. In such case I blame the fraudster for fooling everyone.

Some of you will say that you should always keep your coins in your wallet and centralized exchanges are a vulnerability and that's true, but you can't expect everyone to withdraw instantly. People will leave coins on exchanges for 24 hours and consider it a fast and safe trade. What if you're unlucky and that's when the exchange collapses? Gox at first was delaying withdrawals for weeks, so it's not like you could exit at any moment.

There is no justification for what scammers trying to do in the first place.

Alongside the victim should be blamed too for falling into the pitfalls they have created, it could be avoided if they paid little more attention in most of the cases, so both parties are at the fault.

People get scammed in the crypto space and in every other sectors mainly due to negligence or inexperience, either of these reasons will give scammers the opening to take advantage of loopholes to defraud their victims. The worse case will be for someone to be scammed as a result of inexperience, despite your intelligence, you can still be scammed in something that you're not familiar with,that is why you need to be careful about any offers or directions on social media. Don't click or believe anything or information that you're not familiar with, ignore or research first before engaging in them.

The fraudsters are looking for ways to earn money just like any other person. That is why they set out some tricks to get ignorant and uneducated newbies to scam. We cannot blame them since they did not force us to give them our money or information related to our wallets. They only try their luck in the form of traps, and most people who get scammed fall for it.People who are new to cryptocurrency are mostly eager to invest due to FOMO; as a result, they skip the learning process and begin to complain when they get scammed.
Newbies need to have patience and learn before starting any form of crypto investment because it is risky. They can lose money to scammers with just a single mistake, so newbies should hold on to learn first before anything.