Do we really need to blame fraudsters - page 4.

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Quote from: Betwrong on April 11, 2024, 02:56:06 AM

Quote from: Troytech on April 05, 2024, 01:02:34 PM

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If more people realise that decentralized systems isn't like a banking or centralized system were you can go and report a transaction and they seize the persons money or track the person( although its possible if they are not smart enough) then you would be more careful when doing deals here.

Absolutely. Bitcoin transaction cannot be undone. I would like to draw attention to the virus that has caused a lot of losses recently. It infects you computer and does nothing except it waits until you make a transaction and it changes the address you just copied to another one. Please, guys, double check what you are pasting.

Hmmm, how is that even possible? Changing one's address during transaction operations, like this is weird though my antivirus is always updated to prevent any form of malwares from harming my computer. People can be so lazy and careless because so many people feels that an address is too long and since it involves combining figures and letters, they find it difficult to run a Cross check before performing an operation but this is just a lazy attitude because it takes someone that have lost a lot of money due to laziness and carelessness to know the importance of making sure an address you are sending your assets to is confirmed thoroughly.

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Quote from: Betwrong on April 11, 2024, 02:56:06 AM

Quote from: Troytech on April 05, 2024, 01:02:34 PM

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If more people realise that decentralized systems isn't like a banking or centralized system were you can go and report a transaction and they seize the persons money or track the person( although its possible if they are not smart enough) then you would be more careful when doing deals here.

Absolutely. Bitcoin transaction cannot be undone. I would like to draw attention to the virus that has caused a lot of losses recently. It infects you computer and does nothing except it waits until you make a transaction and it changes the address you just copied to another one. Please, guys, double check what you are pasting.

Didn't hear about it, it's actually kinda scary. I'm always double checking my transactions since it's irreversible, but now I got one more thing to care about, lol.

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Quote from: kentrolla on April 05, 2024, 01:30:53 PM

We cannot blame the fraudsters as they are inhumane and lacks the humanity else they won't be cheating and robbing innocent and foolish people. I think we need to be very cautious but still there are chances users can be fooled at least expected platforms I see everyday people are getting scammed through the fake e-commerce sites and all. This has to be stopped which is possible with only harsh punishment for the preparators else they will keep on figuring out new way to fool us. We need strong cybersecurity and anti scan system in place the scammers should be traced and punished.

So you think that the person who got scammed is at fault? We cannot say that scammers are blameless since they have no humanity in them. If so does that mean you are justifying their actions and blaming the people who fall for the scam just because they have insufficient knowledge on this matter? that's not appropriate either. Because even though the people affected by this scam lack knowledge, they should not always be blamed for this, because not everyone has the same knowledge in this matter.
And regarding the maximum punishment for these scammers, that also cannot be enforced, because after all this is the internet and issues regarding cyber security are the responsibility of each country, and you cannot just arrest people who are in other countries just because he is guilty. So for this matter, it is quite difficult to implement, unless each country is willing to do that.

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Quote from: Troytech on April 05, 2024, 01:02:34 PM

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If more people realise that decentralized systems isn't like a banking or centralized system were you can go and report a transaction and they seize the persons money or track the person( although its possible if they are not smart enough) then you would be more careful when doing deals here.

Absolutely. Bitcoin transaction cannot be undone. I would like to draw attention to the virus that has caused a lot of losses recently. It infects you computer and does nothing except it waits until you make a transaction and it changes the address you just copied to another one. Please, guys, double check what you are pasting.

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Quote from: rodskee on April 10, 2024, 02:21:55 AM

The Big Answer is BOTH

there will be no Victim if there are no fraudster , but there will never be a fraudster if there is no victim.

remember that victim is the reason why there are existing fraudster.

so lets not blame one but instead help the victim find a way to not become one.

Your statement regarding something like this can indeed be said to be true because it arises from one of the causes which could be the fraudster's own intentions and could also be from an ordinary person who is negligent in taking care of anything before he is deceived by someone else. So something like this is actually more about the opportunity that is open to the person who will become the victim and the intention of the perpetrator who wants to deceive other people, which causes something like that to happen.

Quote from: kizlod on April 10, 2024, 02:34:13 AM

Well, it's the fault of both of them, but the fraudster is the one to blame. He's committing a crime, there is no grey morality about that. You don't question if a murderer committed something bad when it happens.

The parable that you say also makes sense because when you examine in detail the problem that occurred, of course the person at fault is the one who cheated so that any punishment will still be received by the person who cheated, not the victim who was affected by the fraud. So it is clear that if the punishment is defined, only one party can reasonably be blamed, namely a fraudster who has caused other people to suffer losses. Even though he was just taking advantage of the opportunity to vent his own intentions.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on April 09, 2024, 06:43:36 PM

Innocent people work hard and sweat just to make money but unfortunately, scammers take it away easily without a sweat. And ask if these scammers are going to be blamed. They deserve to have it because if they are a responsible person and if they look at the situation of others, they won't make innocent people a fool but they did it for the sake of their own. In fact, being a scammer/fraudster is not a job that they will be proud of it and it is a big shame of the family. These people should not gain respect in the community no matter what is their reason.

We have come to found ourselves in a world where scammers exist, because of where we have come to found ourselves it is important and it is our duty to be very smart, knowledgeable because if these things are absent what belongs to us will be taking from us from hungry fraudsters. Nobody can say they are not aware of online and offline fraudsters, this should be the reason why people must take it very important to gain understanding how these fraudsters works. Fraudsters have no pity for your money , asset this should be the reason we need to be very smart and to be updated with knowledge, these is the only way we can overcome them.

Many that have lost to scammers, these happened due to ignorance, lack of understanding. The only way we can always secure our money gaining knowledge continously.

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Quote from: rodskee on April 10, 2024, 02:21:55 AM

The Big Answer is BOTH

there will be no Victim if there are no fraudster , but there will never be a fraudster if there is no victim.

remember that victim is the reason why there are existing fraudster.

so lets not blame one but instead help the victim find a way to not become one.

What?

If someone drop his wallet, it contains a lot money and his identity, what will you do? would you take all the cash and then throwaway the wallet somewhere else? it means you're a bad person.

The victim can't be blamed, if the person didn't want to take the money, the victim will get his wallet and his identity without lose anything... same to Bitcoin.

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I don't think that's the right way to put this. It doesn't always have to be some high-class hacker hacking into someone's account to steal their funds, most of the exploiters and scammers use different techniques to trick users into giving them either access to their accounts or sending them money somehow, and only those who face this can understand how they do it and how a person gets tricked by these scammers and it's very difficult for the person getting scammed to realize this at that moment.

Victim don't give their money away to a scammer but the scammers make them do that in some way and as I said, the person getting scammed realize it later that how they were tricked into either clicking on a link, signing in on a phishing website, approving a transaction on their wallet, etc.

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Quote from: rodskee on April 10, 2024, 02:21:55 AM

Quote from: Troytech on April 05, 2024, 01:02:34 PM

The Big Question

Who Is Really At Fault?

The Big Answer is BOTH

there will be no Victim if there are no fraudster , but there will never be a fraudster if there is no victim.

remember that victim is the reason why there are existing fraudster.

so lets not blame one but instead help the victim find a way to not become one.

But the fatal sin goes with fraudster since they are just taking advantage the weakness of people. We always see this frequently and people don't learn from multiple experiences since they are been so greedy to earn without doing less. This is the biggest mistake they commit and if they don't stop to find easy way to earn money then provably we maybe can't see those frauds doing repeated crimes since they know that they can still earn with dumb decision made by greedy people.

If investors would know the basic things on investment and be realistic the way how they approach this offer they see online for sure they would not be a victim of scamming.

Simple critical thinking is needed so that we can leave those scams crying for not getting any victim.

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Quote from: rodskee on April 10, 2024, 02:21:55 AM

Quote from: Troytech on April 05, 2024, 01:02:34 PM

The Big Question

Who Is Really At Fault?

The Big Answer is BOTH

there will be no Victim if there are no fraudster , but there will never be a fraudster if there is no victim.

remember that victim is the reason why there are existing fraudster.

so lets not blame one but instead help the victim find a way to not become one.

Well, it's the fault of both of them, but the fraudster is the one to blame. He's committing a crime, there is no grey morality about that. You don't question if a murderer committed something bad when it happens.

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Quote from: Troytech on April 05, 2024, 01:02:34 PM

The Big Question

Who Is Really At Fault?

The Big Answer is BOTH

there will be no Victim if there are no fraudster , but there will never be a fraudster if there is no victim.

remember that victim is the reason why there are existing fraudster.

so lets not blame one but instead help the victim find a way to not become one.

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Unfortunately the Bitcoin/crypto world is a scam-friendly environment, because the transactions are irreversible. Sometimes I wonder if the amount of scams happening in the crypto world would be way less, if the transactions were reversible. Anyway, we can't make the transactions to become reversible. It is what it is and we have to always be cautious about our coins and the people we are making business with. I'm sure that many victims of scams are also blaming themselves for believing the scammer, but it's always easier to blame someone else.
There will be scammers around the world, as long as there are ignorant people with money. This will never change and it doesn't matter if the scams are made in the crypto world or the fiat world.

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Innocent people work hard and sweat just to make money but unfortunately, scammers take it away easily without a sweat. And ask if these scammers are going to be blamed. They deserve to have it because if they are a responsible person and if they look at the situation of others, they won't make innocent people a fool but they did it for the sake of their own. In fact, being a scammer/fraudster is not a job that they will be proud of it and it is a big shame of the family. These people should not gain respect in the community no matter what is their reason.

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Do we really need to blame fraudsters

This is not even a rational question... YES.
As others have already said, the fact that people are being robbed by them has zero defense. They are the ones intentionally committing a crime and who when caught should have their heads put on a pike in the city square as a warning to other scammers. Period.

The fact that their victims for whatever reason fell for their scams is beside the point. The victims motivations is irrelevant. All that can be said about their involvement is that hopefully they learn from it and never make the same mistakes again...

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on April 09, 2024, 01:00:48 AM

The world is a cruel place, we can't expect mercy from anyone cause we never know who we are dealing with so it's always better to be suspicious of anything and I advise you not to risk your money when you are not aware of what you are doing this includes cryptos and bitcoin too, first learn about at least basics on google search that will save us from 9/10 scam attempts.

exactly it goes both ways so it is still the best if you could secure your funds you cant sit there and keep complaining why there are scammers in the world.

The truth is there would always be scammers and there have always been so the best we can do now is to secure our funds and make sure that no one else would have a chance to steal our hard earned money

Those kinds of people will never disappear in this field of the business industry. All we have to do is be careful and smart about their tactics so we don't end up being victims. That's why they have the opportunity to become victims because there are people who are not sensitive and are not careful instead of being aware of them.

That's why we shouldn't give those who deceive us the opportunity to deceive us, and we also shouldn't just give trust to people we don't know completely, because this becomes their way of making us fall into their trap.

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Quote from: GeorgeJohn on April 09, 2024, 04:59:17 PM

I will say that the people scammed with cryptocurrency especially Bitcoin based on if you have a fastest ways or speed of sending funds across intercontinental, so is not that bitcoin is a means of scam because scammers also uses money gram and waster union to scam people also,

Scammers use bitcoin for a variety of reasons. They believe it is anonymous and the transaction cannot be easily linked to them unlike bank transfers which has the recipients information. They also prefer that their victims use Bitcoin because then the victim won’t have to go to the bank to make huge transfers and risk the account officer asking questions.

Quote from: GeorgeJohn on April 09, 2024, 04:59:17 PM

but while people is curious and lamenting on bitcoin is bitcoin is not supportive by the government and some countries who took it upon themselves, so I believe that bitcoin is exceptional and with the level of adoption and awareness of bitcoin which has proven all the allegations alleged by government and haters of bitcoin wrong.

There are still people who believe in the government propaganda that Bitcoin is a scam and is only used by bad people. Some governments are changing their policies on Bitcoin to boost their economic growth while others are trying hard to regulate Bitcoin transactions.

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Quote from: Kelward on April 05, 2024, 02:25:44 PM

People get scammed in the crypto space and in every other sectors mainly due to negligence or inexperience, either of these reasons will give scammers the opening to take advantage of loopholes to defraud their victims. The worse case will be for someone to be scammed as a result of inexperience, despite your intelligence, you can still be scammed in something that you're not familiar with,that is why you need to be careful about any offers or directions on social media. Don't click or believe anything or information that you're not familiar with, ignore or research first before engaging in them.

I will say that the people scammed with cryptocurrency especially Bitcoin based on if you have a fastest ways or speed of sending funds across intercontinental, so is not that bitcoin is a means of scam because scammers also uses money gram and waster union to scam people also, but while people is curious and lamenting on bitcoin is bitcoin is not supportive by the government and some countries who took it upon themselves, so I believe that bitcoin is exceptional and with the level of adoption and awareness of bitcoin which has proven all the allegations alleged by government and haters of bitcoin wrong.

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Scammers are smart (not all). They are negatively innovative as they innovate new ways of deceiving people. The vulnerable innocent people to not learn how to avoid scammers in any higher institution. They only learn from experience, i.e after they have been scammed or they learn from the experience of others that were scammed. Apart from the above, the level of intelligence of people differ. Imagine that people can fall for the trick of not telling their loved ones about an opportunity until the opportunity is ripped and it will be a surprise to their loved ones and they'll just believe. They will trust a random online persona they haven't seen and disconnect with their loved ones.
Op, I understand your points, but most times the vulnerable victims are also not to be blamed, especially when they are not exposed to the right information of fraud at the right time.

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Quote from: Marvelman on April 08, 2024, 05:08:37 PM

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Quote from: Marvelman on April 07, 2024, 02:56:52 AM

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You can say it like that. But if you see how greedy people are when they see an offer, they will immediately be amazed and follow it even though it is a trap from scammers to ensnare people who are not careful. Those scammers will always try to make offers that look as good as being true. Only careful people who always look for other information will not be fooled.

I hear what you're saying, but I gotta push back a little on generalizing folks as greedy. Sure, some folks get a bit starry-eyed when they see an offer that seems too good to be true. But those scammers go after all kinds of people - not just the greedy ones. For example, what if you run a legitimate business or engage in trade and the scammers simply don't honor their part of the deal? There's no question of greed involved, just maybe a misplaced trust in people. So maybe we shouldn't be so quick to label people or assume we know their motivations.

Greed exists within every human being. They just need to control it so that it doesn't harm themselves, especially when they see the benefits before their eyes. Many people become too greedy even when they have already made a profit and still want to get a bigger profit. Isn't that ultimately them being too greedy?

Only people can control themselves from being too greedy and willing to accept the profits they have obtained. He will think that he can still make a profit another day and for the time being, his profit that day will be enough. He felt that not many people could get benefits like him so he should be able to feel that he was one of the lucky people who could get those benefits.

In this case, the fraudsters will continue to look for people who are too greedy to fall into their trap. They realized that there were still many people who were greedy and became too greedy. That's why they keep making offers that seem too good to be true. Only people who can control themselves will not become too greedy.

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The work of deceivers is to deceive, if we fall easily into the deceptions of deceivers, but surely we will have enough mistakes there. Advertisers try to find users whom they can easily lure into their scams. For example, I saved the important information of my wallet and if a fraudster asks me about my wallet, if I don't tell him these things, if I block him, he won't be able to access my wallet. On the other hand, if a member does not understand these activities of the fraudsters and sees their various salty offers and tells the personal information of his wallet to the fraudsters, then that user will surely fall into the trap of the fraudsters and lose everything. Fraudsters act is a crime but we have to be more careful because if we lose money due to our mistake then no one else will give that money but it will go to me so we have to be careful and take safety.

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