iam believe
if the thread vote or comment not believe
i want to ask, what do you think about earth, who create earth
and who fist in human in earth , and who create human
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CoinCube..... I see you missed the others.
Do you want to explain how the bible explains slavery and marrying the rapist, or even not wearing clothing of 2 different materials..... what about forbidding you from eating rabbit, shellfish, pork, weasels, scavengers, reptiles, and owls.
Please.... any of these will do?
If they are too hard, what about killing? 2 crops in the same field? No Jewelry or ostracizing people with disabilities?
Please shed some light.
Do you want to explain how the bible explains slavery and marrying the rapist, or even not wearing clothing of 2 different materials..... what about forbidding you from eating rabbit, shellfish, pork, weasels, scavengers, reptiles, and owls.
Please.... any of these will do?
If they are too hard, what about killing? 2 crops in the same field? No Jewelry or ostracizing people with disabilities?
Please shed some light.
Stats its not really my job to answer these questions for you nor do I have all the answers but I will answer the hardest one on your list and leave it to you to figure out the rest. Lets look at slavery. Why might the Bible/Torah have rules about how slaves should be treated rather then simply prohibit slavery outright?
Quote from: Rabbi Tzvi Freeman
Let's start simple:
Take an agrarian society surrounded by hostile nations. Go in there and forcefully abolish slavery. The result? War, bloodshed, hatred, prejudice, poverty and eventually, a return to slavery until the underlying conditions change. Which is pretty much what happened in the American South when the semi-industrialized North imposed their laws upon the agrarian South. And in Texas when Mexico attempted to abolish slavery among the Anglophones there.
Not a good idea. Better idea: Place humane restrictions upon the institution of indentured servitude. Yes, it's still ugly, but in the meantime, you'll teach people compassion and kindness. Educate. Make workshops... Eventually, things change and slavery becomes an anachronism for such a society.
Which is pretty much what happened to Jewish society. Note this: At a time when Romans had literally thousands of slaves per citizen, even the wealthiest Jews held very modest numbers of servants. And those servants, the Talmud tells us, were treated better by their masters than foreign kings would treat their own subjects.
Torah teaches us how to run a libertarian society--through education and participation. Elsewhere in the world, emperors and aristocracy knew only how to govern a mass of people through oppression. Look what happened to Rome.
Getting Real Change
If God would simply and explicitly declare all the rules, precisely as He wants His world to look and what we need to do about it, the Torah would never become real to us. No matter how much we would do and how good we would be, we would remain aliens to the process.
So, too, with slavery (and there are many other examples): In the beginning, the world starts off as a place where oppressing others is a no-qualms, perfectly acceptable practice. It's not just the practice Torah needs to deal with, it's the attitude. So Torah involves us in arriving at that attitude. To the point that we will say, "Even though the Torah lets us, we don't do things that way."
Which means that we've really learnt something. And now, we can teach it to others. Because those things you're just told, those you cannot teach. You can only teach that which you have discovered on your own.
History bears this out... As much as Rome ruled over Judea, Jewish values deeply transformed Rome. One of the results was the legal privileges eventually granted to slaves and the gradual recognition of the value of human life.
Take an agrarian society surrounded by hostile nations. Go in there and forcefully abolish slavery. The result? War, bloodshed, hatred, prejudice, poverty and eventually, a return to slavery until the underlying conditions change. Which is pretty much what happened in the American South when the semi-industrialized North imposed their laws upon the agrarian South. And in Texas when Mexico attempted to abolish slavery among the Anglophones there.
Not a good idea. Better idea: Place humane restrictions upon the institution of indentured servitude. Yes, it's still ugly, but in the meantime, you'll teach people compassion and kindness. Educate. Make workshops... Eventually, things change and slavery becomes an anachronism for such a society.
Which is pretty much what happened to Jewish society. Note this: At a time when Romans had literally thousands of slaves per citizen, even the wealthiest Jews held very modest numbers of servants. And those servants, the Talmud tells us, were treated better by their masters than foreign kings would treat their own subjects.
Torah teaches us how to run a libertarian society--through education and participation. Elsewhere in the world, emperors and aristocracy knew only how to govern a mass of people through oppression. Look what happened to Rome.
Getting Real Change
If God would simply and explicitly declare all the rules, precisely as He wants His world to look and what we need to do about it, the Torah would never become real to us. No matter how much we would do and how good we would be, we would remain aliens to the process.
So, too, with slavery (and there are many other examples): In the beginning, the world starts off as a place where oppressing others is a no-qualms, perfectly acceptable practice. It's not just the practice Torah needs to deal with, it's the attitude. So Torah involves us in arriving at that attitude. To the point that we will say, "Even though the Torah lets us, we don't do things that way."
Which means that we've really learnt something. And now, we can teach it to others. Because those things you're just told, those you cannot teach. You can only teach that which you have discovered on your own.
History bears this out... As much as Rome ruled over Judea, Jewish values deeply transformed Rome. One of the results was the legal privileges eventually granted to slaves and the gradual recognition of the value of human life.
Christianity’s influence, in the west, set into motion the belief that man is accountable to God and that the law is the same regardless of status.
http://crossandquill.com/journey/the-influence-of-christianity-on-western-civilization/
Quote from: Cheryl L. Stansberry
Take the conflict between the Christian emperor Theodosius the Great and St. Ambrose. It happened in 300 A.D. when some in Thessalonica rioted and aroused the anger of the emperor who overreacted by slaughtering approximately seven thousand people, most of whom were innocent. Bishop Ambrose asked the emperor to repent and when Theodosius refused, the bishop excommunicated him. After a month Theodosius prostrated himself and repented in Ambrose’s cathedral.
Ambrose readmitted the emperor only after several months of penance and when he promoted a law, which in the case of death sentences would allow a thirty-day lag before the execution would be enforced. One can only speculate how many other massacres were avoided throughout history by the mitigating influence of a religion who's commandments include "Thou shalt not kill"
Ambrose readmitted the emperor only after several months of penance and when he promoted a law, which in the case of death sentences would allow a thirty-day lag before the execution would be enforced. One can only speculate how many other massacres were avoided throughout history by the mitigating influence of a religion who's commandments include "Thou shalt not kill"
So now we are going to talk about processing methods? Since your 'pork Bible wisdom' did not work too well?
Did you read all of the Leviticus? How many times did you personally follow Leviticus 20:13?
Did you read all of the Leviticus? How many times did you personally follow Leviticus 20:13?
I have found Leviticus makes more sense if one translates "put to death" as meaning that the punishment for the crime is death at your owns hands meaning genetic death or eventual cessation of your line due to participation in behaviors that are not conducive to long term survival or reproduction.
God tells us to pray, in the Bible.
It also tells you to:
Kill
To not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material
Strictly forbids you from eating rabbit, shellfish, pork, weasels, scavengers, reptiles, and owls
Own slaves
Not accept disabilities
Not to plant two crops in the same field
No Jewelry
And finally.... a rape victim must marry their perpetrator.
How many of these do you do?
Nope. You are wrong. The Bible doesn't tell anybody to do these things. Those instructions are listed in the Old Testament, and were for the ancient nation of Israel. They aren't for today's Israel, because Israel has stepped out of the God-fearing nation that ancient Israel was.
The New Testament is for everyone. It tells nobody to do the things you have listed.
However, those rules you have listed, under similar life circumstances today as were found in ancient Israel back then, are some of the best rules that any nation can follow.
And there it is...... the time to suddenly change from "The Bible is the word of God and should be obeyed" to "That's the Old Testament and shouldn't be obeyed - The New Testament is for everyone".
You don't even want to accept the fact that God exists, and you are trying to teach other people about what He says? Are you living at one of the funny farms, btw?
If that is true, why do you believe in Genesis and the aspect of creation?
Besides..... I have just written a NEW - NEW Testament, therefore this supersedes the old new testament....... "God isn't real! End of Story"
BTW, this is part of the reason that the Council of Nicea in 325 A.D., scrapped a whole lot of the books of the then New Testament. They were written following the writing of the Revelation.
You have been totally sucked in by the biggest scam on earth!
Well Done!
No, it is you who has been suckered in by the devil's scam, to drag you into Hell with him.
God tells us to pray, in the Bible.
It also tells you to:
Kill
To not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material
Strictly forbids you from eating rabbit, shellfish, pork, weasels, scavengers, reptiles, and owls
Own slaves
Not accept disabilities
Not to plant two crops in the same field
No Jewelry
And finally.... a rape victim must marry their perpetrator.
How many of these do you do?
Nope. You are wrong. The Bible doesn't tell anybody to do these things. Those instructions are listed in the Old Testament, and were for the ancient nation of Israel. They aren't for today's Israel, because Israel has stepped out of the God-fearing nation that ancient Israel was.
The New Testament is for everyone. It tells nobody to do the things you have listed.
However, those rules you have listed, under similar life circumstances today as were found in ancient Israel back then, are some of the best rules that any nation can follow.
Stats I see you mentioned the Deuteronomy prohibition on eating pork. Utterly silly right? No reason at all to not eat pork. Religious scaremongering. Hold on wait a second.
Deuteronomy 14:8
"The pig is also unclean; although it has a divided hoof, it does not chew the cud. You are not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses."
Processed meat 'early death' link
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-21682779
Processed meats do cause cancer - WHO
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-34615621
Processed meat 'could be bad for asthma'
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-38370057
"The pig is also unclean; although it has a divided hoof, it does not chew the cud. You are not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses."
Processed meat 'early death' link
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-21682779
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Sausages, ham, bacon and other processed meats appear to increase the risk of dying young, a study of half a million people across Europe suggests.
It concluded diets high in processed meats were linked to cardiovascular disease, cancer and early deaths.
The researchers, writing in the journal BMC Medicine, said salt and chemicals used to preserve the meat may damage health.
...
It showed people who ate a lot of processed meat were also more likely to smoke, be obese and have other behaviours known to damage health.
However, the researchers said even after those risk factors were accounted for, processed meat still damaged health.
One in every 17 people followed in the study died. However, those eating more than 160g of processed meat a day - roughly two sausages and a slice of bacon - were 44% more likely to die over a typical follow-up time of 12.7 years than those eating about 20g.
...
"Something has been done to it to extend its shelf life, or to change its taste, or to make it more palatable in some way... and this could be a traditional process like curing or salting."
She said even good quality ham or sausages were still classed as processed meat, while homemade burgers using fresh meat were not.
It concluded diets high in processed meats were linked to cardiovascular disease, cancer and early deaths.
The researchers, writing in the journal BMC Medicine, said salt and chemicals used to preserve the meat may damage health.
...
It showed people who ate a lot of processed meat were also more likely to smoke, be obese and have other behaviours known to damage health.
However, the researchers said even after those risk factors were accounted for, processed meat still damaged health.
One in every 17 people followed in the study died. However, those eating more than 160g of processed meat a day - roughly two sausages and a slice of bacon - were 44% more likely to die over a typical follow-up time of 12.7 years than those eating about 20g.
...
"Something has been done to it to extend its shelf life, or to change its taste, or to make it more palatable in some way... and this could be a traditional process like curing or salting."
She said even good quality ham or sausages were still classed as processed meat, while homemade burgers using fresh meat were not.
Processed meats do cause cancer - WHO
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-34615621
Quote
Processed meats - such as bacon, sausages and ham - do cause cancer, according to the World Health Organization (WHO).
Its report said 50g of processed meat a day - less than two slices of bacon - increased the chance of developing colorectal cancer by 18%.
Processed meat includes bacon, sausages, hot dogs, salami, corned beef, beef jerky and ham as well as canned meat and meat-based sauces.
"For an individual, the risk of developing colorectal (bowel) cancer because of their consumption of processed meat remains small, but this risk increases with the amount of meat consumed," Dr Kurt Straif from the WHO said.
Its report said 50g of processed meat a day - less than two slices of bacon - increased the chance of developing colorectal cancer by 18%.
Processed meat includes bacon, sausages, hot dogs, salami, corned beef, beef jerky and ham as well as canned meat and meat-based sauces.
"For an individual, the risk of developing colorectal (bowel) cancer because of their consumption of processed meat remains small, but this risk increases with the amount of meat consumed," Dr Kurt Straif from the WHO said.
Processed meat 'could be bad for asthma'
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-38370057
Quote
The survey looked specifically at asthma symptoms - breathlessness, wheeze, chest tightness - and intake of cured meat: a single portion was two slices of ham, one sausage or two slices of salami.
Among the people with asthma, higher meat consumption was linked with a worsening of their lung symptoms.
People who said they consumed more than four portions a week - eight slices of ham or four sausages, for example - had the biggest deterioration of their asthma by the end of the study.
The experts stress that their work cannot prove diet is definitely to blame. There are lots of factors in a person's life that can make their asthma worse.
The researchers tried to eliminate the most obvious ones, controlling for things like obesity, and the link between processed meat and worsening asthma remained.
Among the people with asthma, higher meat consumption was linked with a worsening of their lung symptoms.
People who said they consumed more than four portions a week - eight slices of ham or four sausages, for example - had the biggest deterioration of their asthma by the end of the study.
The experts stress that their work cannot prove diet is definitely to blame. There are lots of factors in a person's life that can make their asthma worse.
The researchers tried to eliminate the most obvious ones, controlling for things like obesity, and the link between processed meat and worsening asthma remained.
CoinCube..... I see you missed the others.
Do you want to explain how the bible explains slavery and marrying the rapist, or even not wearing clothing of 2 different materials..... what about forbidding you from eating rabbit, shellfish, pork, weasels, scavengers, reptiles, and owls.
Please.... any of these will do?
If they are too hard, what about killing? 2 crops in the same field? No Jewelry or ostracizing people with disabilities?
Please shed some light.
God tells us to pray, in the Bible.
It also tells you to:
Kill
To not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material
Strictly forbids you from eating rabbit, shellfish, pork, weasels, scavengers, reptiles, and owls
Own slaves
Not accept disabilities
Not to plant two crops in the same field
No Jewelry
And finally.... a rape victim must marry their perpetrator.
How many of these do you do?
Nope. You are wrong. The Bible doesn't tell anybody to do these things. Those instructions are listed in the Old Testament, and were for the ancient nation of Israel. They aren't for today's Israel, because Israel has stepped out of the God-fearing nation that ancient Israel was.
The New Testament is for everyone. It tells nobody to do the things you have listed.
However, those rules you have listed, under similar life circumstances today as were found in ancient Israel back then, are some of the best rules that any nation can follow.
And there it is...... the time to suddenly change from "The Bible is the word of God and should be obeyed" to "That's the Old Testament and shouldn't be obeyed - The New Testament is for everyone".
If that is true, why do you believe in Genesis and the aspect of creation?
Besides..... I have just written a NEW - NEW Testament, therefore this supersedes the old new testament....... "God isn't real! End of Story"
You have been totally sucked in by the biggest scam on earth!
Well Done!
Acts 13: ( talking about Jesus )
Act 13:37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.
Act 13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
Act 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
The point here being, that the law is not done away with, but to lead us unto Christ, so by faith in Christ, you are no longer under the law, but under the commandment of Christ, which is (John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.); therefore many parts of the law of Moses is still applicable, because many parts of the law has to do with loving your neighbor as yourself. But the parts in the law of Moses such as many food ordinances, circumcision, clean, unclean, tithes to the temple, etc are not applicable today.
Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
.....................
Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
..............
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
Act 13:37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.
Act 13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
Act 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
The point here being, that the law is not done away with, but to lead us unto Christ, so by faith in Christ, you are no longer under the law, but under the commandment of Christ, which is (John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.); therefore many parts of the law of Moses is still applicable, because many parts of the law has to do with loving your neighbor as yourself. But the parts in the law of Moses such as many food ordinances, circumcision, clean, unclean, tithes to the temple, etc are not applicable today.
Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
.....................
Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
..............
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
Many parts of the Mosaic Law are applicable, but they are not applicable as the Mosaic Law. In other words, do them because they are right. Don't do them because they are something that Moses wrote down.
For example, much of the Code of Hammurabi is morally right. But doing the right things because they are part of Hammurabi's code is silly. Do them because they are right. In addition, you can find all kinds of good laws in most of the major governments of the world. Yet, you don't do those laws because they are part of this or that government. You do them because they are good and right.
Acts 13: ( talking about Jesus )
Act 13:37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.
Act 13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
Act 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
The point here being, that the law is not done away with, but to lead us unto Christ, so by faith in Christ, you are no longer under the law, but under the commandment of Christ, which is (John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.); therefore many parts of the law of Moses is still applicable, because many parts of the law has to do with loving your neighbor as yourself. But the parts in the law of Moses such as many food ordinances, circumcision, clean, unclean, tithes to the temple, etc are not applicable today.
Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
.....................
Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
..............
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
Act 13:37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.
Act 13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
Act 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
The point here being, that the law is not done away with, but to lead us unto Christ, so by faith in Christ, you are no longer under the law, but under the commandment of Christ, which is (John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.); therefore many parts of the law of Moses is still applicable, because many parts of the law has to do with loving your neighbor as yourself. But the parts in the law of Moses such as many food ordinances, circumcision, clean, unclean, tithes to the temple, etc are not applicable today.
Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
.....................
Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
..............
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
Again, that is not unique to pork. I hope you have heard of avian flu, mad cow disease.
Kosher slaughtering techniques will help minimize the chance of spreading Bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) if properly followed.
http://www.jta.org/2003/12/31/archive/kosher-butchers-our-beef-safer-from-mad-cow-disease
Regarding avian flu I am aware of less data. However, most cases of this are to the best of my knowledge spread to humans not through the farming but by the handling of carcasses. Also I suspect the inter-species barrier is much higher for a pathogen to jump from bird to man though I admit I do not have scientific data on hand to prove this last point.
https://hencam.com/faq/do-chickens-transmit-diseases-to-people-%3F
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The chickens in our backyards carry around their share of germs and it’s prudent to worry about whether we can get sick from them. The quick answer is that there are very few diseases that humans and birds share. Our biologies are just too different. That said, there are a small number of pathogens to know about, all of which can be neutralized by hand washing and good animal husbandry. The truly scary diseases are not coming from the backyard flock, they’re coming from animal factories (let’s not call them “farms.”) I’m not going to go into a diatribe here about how crowded factory production facilities that rely on antibiotics to keep their animals alive are creating “superbugs” that are resistant to drugs, I’m sure you’ve read this on-going story in the press. Instead, let’s go over what you need to know about the hens in your backyard.
The biggest fear that many have is of Bird Flu. The first cases of H5N2 appeared in North America in December of 2014. This is highly pathogenic to poultry, but at this point is not a concern to humans. Cases in the news of people getting sick are almost always in situations in which many dead and diseased birds are handled in close and unsanitary conditions. Even in those situations, the symptoms are mild. There are no cases of human to human transmission. However, our backyard flocks are in danger of contracting H5N2 – and it will decimate your flock. Wild waterfowl are the main vector and so it’s prudent to keep your chickens away from ponds and other areas that migratory birds congregate.
Another disease that you might have heard is zoonotic (transmissible from animal to human) is Newcastle Disease. Rest assured that it isn’t of great concern for backyard chicken keepers. In chickens it causes respiratory ailments. Transmitted to humans it triggers mild conjunctivitis, but even this is usually only seen in people who administer the Newcastle vaccine to poultry, or are lab workers who do necropsies. Two other zoonotic diseases are erysipelas and chlamydiosis, which are mostly hosted by turkeys, and only affect humans who work in slaughterhouses, and farmers of large flocks. Avian tuberculosis is another one that is quite rare (it’s more prevalent with parrot fanciers) but possible to contract.
The biggest fear that many have is of Bird Flu. The first cases of H5N2 appeared in North America in December of 2014. This is highly pathogenic to poultry, but at this point is not a concern to humans. Cases in the news of people getting sick are almost always in situations in which many dead and diseased birds are handled in close and unsanitary conditions. Even in those situations, the symptoms are mild. There are no cases of human to human transmission. However, our backyard flocks are in danger of contracting H5N2 – and it will decimate your flock. Wild waterfowl are the main vector and so it’s prudent to keep your chickens away from ponds and other areas that migratory birds congregate.
Another disease that you might have heard is zoonotic (transmissible from animal to human) is Newcastle Disease. Rest assured that it isn’t of great concern for backyard chicken keepers. In chickens it causes respiratory ailments. Transmitted to humans it triggers mild conjunctivitis, but even this is usually only seen in people who administer the Newcastle vaccine to poultry, or are lab workers who do necropsies. Two other zoonotic diseases are erysipelas and chlamydiosis, which are mostly hosted by turkeys, and only affect humans who work in slaughterhouses, and farmers of large flocks. Avian tuberculosis is another one that is quite rare (it’s more prevalent with parrot fanciers) but possible to contract.
Hey here is another interesting biblical quote. How interesting these are.
Leviticus 11:28
Anyone who picks up their carcasses must wash their clothes, and they will be unclean till evening. These animals are unclean for you.
Sausages, ham and bacon is a different story. Nitrates can definitely cause cancer. But I'm talking about lean pork meat that you raised yourself. How can it kill you?
Of course if you gorge yourself on sausages and bacon, your liver might not be able to handle the assault.
These days most of the produced food is contaminated. Pork injected with antibiotic or chicken meat with growth hormones, soaked in chlorine cannot be good for you.
The issue might be with the production methods not the type of meat.
Of course if you gorge yourself on sausages and bacon, your liver might not be able to handle the assault.
These days most of the produced food is contaminated. Pork injected with antibiotic or chicken meat with growth hormones, soaked in chlorine cannot be good for you.
The issue might be with the production methods not the type of meat.
Here is another way pork can kill you.
There are other reasons why pork or specifically pigs may be dangerous to humans. Pigs have a respiratory system that is similar to our own close enough to ours to allow diseases to jump the species barrier. This is probably how the 1918 influenza pandamic got started which killed 50-100 million people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic#Hypotheses_about_source
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic#Hypotheses_about_source
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Investigative work by a British team led by virologist John Oxford[19] of St Bartholomew's Hospital and the Royal London Hospital in 1999 identified the major troop staging and hospital camp in Étaples, France, as almost certainly being the center of the 1918 flu pandemic. A significant precursor virus, harbored in birds, mutated to pigs that were kept near the front.[20]
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/swineflu/people-raise-pigs-flu.htm
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The Flu Can Spread from Pigs to People and from People to Pigs
Human flu viruses can infect pigs and can introduce new flu viruses into the swine population.
The flu viruses that normally circulate in pigs can infect people...
In 2005 and 2006, three cases of infection with flu viruses that normally circulate in swine (“variant viruses”) were reported in people.
...
In 2012, 313 variant cases were reported to CDC, the largest number of cases reported in a single year.
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The flu viruses that commonly spread in humans are different from the ones that spread in pigs.
People who get vaccinated annually against human influenza can still get sick from swine influenza viruses.
Pigs that have been vaccinated for swine influenza can still get sick from some human influenza viruses.
Most reported cases of human infection with variant viruses have occurred in people who have been near infected pigs in public settings such as fairs or petting zoos, or who work directly with infected pigs.
Human flu viruses can infect pigs and can introduce new flu viruses into the swine population.
The flu viruses that normally circulate in pigs can infect people...
In 2005 and 2006, three cases of infection with flu viruses that normally circulate in swine (“variant viruses”) were reported in people.
...
In 2012, 313 variant cases were reported to CDC, the largest number of cases reported in a single year.
...
The flu viruses that commonly spread in humans are different from the ones that spread in pigs.
People who get vaccinated annually against human influenza can still get sick from swine influenza viruses.
Pigs that have been vaccinated for swine influenza can still get sick from some human influenza viruses.
Most reported cases of human infection with variant viruses have occurred in people who have been near infected pigs in public settings such as fairs or petting zoos, or who work directly with infected pigs.
Being just close enough to allow disease to cross the species barrier only rarely but similar enough to allow those diseases to possibly thrive when they do so is a recipe for very deadly cross species disease transfer.
Maybe god is the force of gravity?
That's one of the only things that has never changed throughout my whole life (and everyone elses apparently). I can be pretty sure of it.
Maybe I should reclassify myself as a Pantheist instead of an atheist.
That's one of the only things that has never changed throughout my whole life (and everyone elses apparently). I can be pretty sure of it.
Maybe I should reclassify myself as a Pantheist instead of an atheist.
Pork can kill you? How? I raise my pigs, I kill them, and process them, how eating them can kill me?
Please explain? How?
Please explain? How?
Humm, not really sure how to help you here af_newbie. Maybe this will help. You can read the original news article in the link below or better yet the study itself.
Processed meat 'early death' link
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-21682779
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Sausages, ham, bacon (= pork) and other processed meats appear to increase the risk of dying young, a study of half a million people across Europe suggests.
...
those eating more than 160g of processed meat a day - roughly two sausages and a slice of bacon - were 44% more likely to die over a typical follow-up time of 12.7 years than those eating about 20g.
...
"Something has been done to it to extend its shelf life, or to change its taste, or to make it more palatable in some way... and this could be a traditional process like curing or salting."
She said even good quality ham or sausages were still classed as processed meat
...
those eating more than 160g of processed meat a day - roughly two sausages and a slice of bacon - were 44% more likely to die over a typical follow-up time of 12.7 years than those eating about 20g.
...
"Something has been done to it to extend its shelf life, or to change its taste, or to make it more palatable in some way... and this could be a traditional process like curing or salting."
She said even good quality ham or sausages were still classed as processed meat
So the answer to this question is yes pork can kill you. Why might pork kill you? We do not really know. However, we cannot make the mortality effect vanish by controlling for other health factors so to the best of our current knowledge the effect is real.
God tells us to pray, in the Bible.
It also tells you to:
Kill
To not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material
Strictly forbids you from eating rabbit, shellfish, pork, weasels, scavengers, reptiles, and owls
Own slaves
Not accept disabilities
Not to plant two crops in the same field
No Jewelry
And finally.... a rape victim must marry their perpetrator.
How many of these do you do?
Nope. You are wrong. The Bible doesn't tell anybody to do these things. Those instructions are listed in the Old Testament, and were for the ancient nation of Israel. They aren't for today's Israel, because Israel has stepped out of the God-fearing nation that ancient Israel was.
The New Testament is for everyone. It tells nobody to do the things you have listed.
However, those rules you have listed, under similar life circumstances today as were found in ancient Israel back then, are some of the best rules that any nation can follow.
Stats I see you mentioned the Deuteronomy prohibition on eating pork. Utterly silly right? No reason at all to not eat pork. Religious scaremongering. Hold on wait a second.
Deuteronomy 14:8
"The pig is also unclean; although it has a divided hoof, it does not chew the cud. You are not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses."
Processed meat 'early death' link
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-21682779
Processed meats do cause cancer - WHO
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-34615621
Processed meat 'could be bad for asthma'
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-38370057
"The pig is also unclean; although it has a divided hoof, it does not chew the cud. You are not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses."
Processed meat 'early death' link
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-21682779
Quote
Sausages, ham, bacon and other processed meats appear to increase the risk of dying young, a study of half a million people across Europe suggests.
It concluded diets high in processed meats were linked to cardiovascular disease, cancer and early deaths.
The researchers, writing in the journal BMC Medicine, said salt and chemicals used to preserve the meat may damage health.
...
It showed people who ate a lot of processed meat were also more likely to smoke, be obese and have other behaviours known to damage health.
However, the researchers said even after those risk factors were accounted for, processed meat still damaged health.
One in every 17 people followed in the study died. However, those eating more than 160g of processed meat a day - roughly two sausages and a slice of bacon - were 44% more likely to die over a typical follow-up time of 12.7 years than those eating about 20g.
...
"Something has been done to it to extend its shelf life, or to change its taste, or to make it more palatable in some way... and this could be a traditional process like curing or salting."
She said even good quality ham or sausages were still classed as processed meat, while homemade burgers using fresh meat were not.
It concluded diets high in processed meats were linked to cardiovascular disease, cancer and early deaths.
The researchers, writing in the journal BMC Medicine, said salt and chemicals used to preserve the meat may damage health.
...
It showed people who ate a lot of processed meat were also more likely to smoke, be obese and have other behaviours known to damage health.
However, the researchers said even after those risk factors were accounted for, processed meat still damaged health.
One in every 17 people followed in the study died. However, those eating more than 160g of processed meat a day - roughly two sausages and a slice of bacon - were 44% more likely to die over a typical follow-up time of 12.7 years than those eating about 20g.
...
"Something has been done to it to extend its shelf life, or to change its taste, or to make it more palatable in some way... and this could be a traditional process like curing or salting."
She said even good quality ham or sausages were still classed as processed meat, while homemade burgers using fresh meat were not.
Processed meats do cause cancer - WHO
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-34615621
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Processed meats - such as bacon, sausages and ham - do cause cancer, according to the World Health Organization (WHO).
Its report said 50g of processed meat a day - less than two slices of bacon - increased the chance of developing colorectal cancer by 18%.
Processed meat includes bacon, sausages, hot dogs, salami, corned beef, beef jerky and ham as well as canned meat and meat-based sauces.
"For an individual, the risk of developing colorectal (bowel) cancer because of their consumption of processed meat remains small, but this risk increases with the amount of meat consumed," Dr Kurt Straif from the WHO said.
Its report said 50g of processed meat a day - less than two slices of bacon - increased the chance of developing colorectal cancer by 18%.
Processed meat includes bacon, sausages, hot dogs, salami, corned beef, beef jerky and ham as well as canned meat and meat-based sauces.
"For an individual, the risk of developing colorectal (bowel) cancer because of their consumption of processed meat remains small, but this risk increases with the amount of meat consumed," Dr Kurt Straif from the WHO said.
Processed meat 'could be bad for asthma'
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-38370057
Quote
The survey looked specifically at asthma symptoms - breathlessness, wheeze, chest tightness - and intake of cured meat: a single portion was two slices of ham, one sausage or two slices of salami.
Among the people with asthma, higher meat consumption was linked with a worsening of their lung symptoms.
People who said they consumed more than four portions a week - eight slices of ham or four sausages, for example - had the biggest deterioration of their asthma by the end of the study.
The experts stress that their work cannot prove diet is definitely to blame. There are lots of factors in a person's life that can make their asthma worse.
The researchers tried to eliminate the most obvious ones, controlling for things like obesity, and the link between processed meat and worsening asthma remained.
Among the people with asthma, higher meat consumption was linked with a worsening of their lung symptoms.
People who said they consumed more than four portions a week - eight slices of ham or four sausages, for example - had the biggest deterioration of their asthma by the end of the study.
The experts stress that their work cannot prove diet is definitely to blame. There are lots of factors in a person's life that can make their asthma worse.
The researchers tried to eliminate the most obvious ones, controlling for things like obesity, and the link between processed meat and worsening asthma remained.
Processed anything is bad for you. It does not matter if it is pork or beef or chicken.
You don't believe me? Eat cold cuts, or 'chicken nuggets', see how long you'll last.
So put your Bible away, it has no wisdom for today's world. People who wrote it were morons by today's standards.
While you are right about all processed meats, three things:
1. Pork is way worse;
2. The people of ancient Israel didn't use processing like we do;
3. Raw beef is fun, but raw pork can kill you.
God tells us to pray, in the Bible.
It also tells you to:
Kill
To not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material
Strictly forbids you from eating rabbit, shellfish, pork, weasels, scavengers, reptiles, and owls
Own slaves
Not accept disabilities
Not to plant two crops in the same field
No Jewelry
And finally.... a rape victim must marry their perpetrator.
How many of these do you do?
Nope. You are wrong. The Bible doesn't tell anybody to do these things. Those instructions are listed in the Old Testament, and were for the ancient nation of Israel. They aren't for today's Israel, because Israel has stepped out of the God-fearing nation that ancient Israel was.
The New Testament is for everyone. It tells nobody to do the things you have listed.
However, those rules you have listed, under similar life circumstances today as were found in ancient Israel back then, are some of the best rules that any nation can follow.
Stats I see you mentioned the Deuteronomy prohibition on eating pork. Utterly silly right? No reason at all to not eat pork. Religious scaremongering. Hold on wait a second.
Deuteronomy 14:8
"The pig is also unclean; although it has a divided hoof, it does not chew the cud. You are not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses."
Processed meat 'early death' link
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-21682779
Processed meats do cause cancer - WHO
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-34615621
Processed meat 'could be bad for asthma'
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-38370057
"The pig is also unclean; although it has a divided hoof, it does not chew the cud. You are not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses."
Processed meat 'early death' link
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-21682779
Quote
Sausages, ham, bacon and other processed meats appear to increase the risk of dying young, a study of half a million people across Europe suggests.
It concluded diets high in processed meats were linked to cardiovascular disease, cancer and early deaths.
The researchers, writing in the journal BMC Medicine, said salt and chemicals used to preserve the meat may damage health.
...
It showed people who ate a lot of processed meat were also more likely to smoke, be obese and have other behaviours known to damage health.
However, the researchers said even after those risk factors were accounted for, processed meat still damaged health.
One in every 17 people followed in the study died. However, those eating more than 160g of processed meat a day - roughly two sausages and a slice of bacon - were 44% more likely to die over a typical follow-up time of 12.7 years than those eating about 20g.
...
"Something has been done to it to extend its shelf life, or to change its taste, or to make it more palatable in some way... and this could be a traditional process like curing or salting."
She said even good quality ham or sausages were still classed as processed meat, while homemade burgers using fresh meat were not.
It concluded diets high in processed meats were linked to cardiovascular disease, cancer and early deaths.
The researchers, writing in the journal BMC Medicine, said salt and chemicals used to preserve the meat may damage health.
...
It showed people who ate a lot of processed meat were also more likely to smoke, be obese and have other behaviours known to damage health.
However, the researchers said even after those risk factors were accounted for, processed meat still damaged health.
One in every 17 people followed in the study died. However, those eating more than 160g of processed meat a day - roughly two sausages and a slice of bacon - were 44% more likely to die over a typical follow-up time of 12.7 years than those eating about 20g.
...
"Something has been done to it to extend its shelf life, or to change its taste, or to make it more palatable in some way... and this could be a traditional process like curing or salting."
She said even good quality ham or sausages were still classed as processed meat, while homemade burgers using fresh meat were not.
Processed meats do cause cancer - WHO
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-34615621
Quote
Processed meats - such as bacon, sausages and ham - do cause cancer, according to the World Health Organization (WHO).
Its report said 50g of processed meat a day - less than two slices of bacon - increased the chance of developing colorectal cancer by 18%.
Processed meat includes bacon, sausages, hot dogs, salami, corned beef, beef jerky and ham as well as canned meat and meat-based sauces.
"For an individual, the risk of developing colorectal (bowel) cancer because of their consumption of processed meat remains small, but this risk increases with the amount of meat consumed," Dr Kurt Straif from the WHO said.
Its report said 50g of processed meat a day - less than two slices of bacon - increased the chance of developing colorectal cancer by 18%.
Processed meat includes bacon, sausages, hot dogs, salami, corned beef, beef jerky and ham as well as canned meat and meat-based sauces.
"For an individual, the risk of developing colorectal (bowel) cancer because of their consumption of processed meat remains small, but this risk increases with the amount of meat consumed," Dr Kurt Straif from the WHO said.
Processed meat 'could be bad for asthma'
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-38370057
Quote
The survey looked specifically at asthma symptoms - breathlessness, wheeze, chest tightness - and intake of cured meat: a single portion was two slices of ham, one sausage or two slices of salami.
Among the people with asthma, higher meat consumption was linked with a worsening of their lung symptoms.
People who said they consumed more than four portions a week - eight slices of ham or four sausages, for example - had the biggest deterioration of their asthma by the end of the study.
The experts stress that their work cannot prove diet is definitely to blame. There are lots of factors in a person's life that can make their asthma worse.
The researchers tried to eliminate the most obvious ones, controlling for things like obesity, and the link between processed meat and worsening asthma remained.
Among the people with asthma, higher meat consumption was linked with a worsening of their lung symptoms.
People who said they consumed more than four portions a week - eight slices of ham or four sausages, for example - had the biggest deterioration of their asthma by the end of the study.
The experts stress that their work cannot prove diet is definitely to blame. There are lots of factors in a person's life that can make their asthma worse.
The researchers tried to eliminate the most obvious ones, controlling for things like obesity, and the link between processed meat and worsening asthma remained.
I dont believe in someone who people are calling god and that he is looking at us and like this stuff.
But it is nearly for 100% sure, that there are things, that are a trillion times smarter that we are,
there must something extist that make this one universe, in that we are living.
Because like every theorie is saying, nothing can build by itself.
But it is nearly for 100% sure, that there are things, that are a trillion times smarter that we are,
there must something extist that make this one universe, in that we are living.
Because like every theorie is saying, nothing can build by itself.
Perhaps you never belong to any religions. Religion is the belief in the god's power who will be always beside us in all works
This fact helps us more powers to overcome all challenges in our life. Therefore I Trust in God.
Of course i belong in a religion. I am catholic and i was going a really long time every week in the church, my parents and my family are also very religious.
But like you say, it is only a belief in someone that are people calling god, that he will help you in difficult situations, this is not a bad thing, but if you think realistically, then this things that are unimaginably wiser then we are dont care about a single person, maybe they even dont care about all of us on the earth as a community, we are nothing for them imo.
btw. i also think then in 1000 years some people will believe on the book of the lord of the rings, because people are so natural, they must believe on something which can give them power in bad times.
Not because they said it only. But because the Holy Spirit resonates with my spirit in ways that firmly tell me that they are correct.
Yes, but my Holy Noodlage came to me in my dreams, it told me you started bullshitting.
Well, you have a start there. Now investigate the religions to see if one of them is way ahead of all the rest, and why.
Pastafarianism, because it believes in evolution, it mocks those who believe that an almighty maker has anything to do with the Bible, Quran and Torah.
Also, if God is almighty
Can he create a rock so heavy, even he can't lift it?
If he can, he is not almighty
If he can't, he is not almighty
It's a paradox, since God cannot be almighty
Nothing in the universe, is almighty
What does evolution have to do with anything? Evolution is simply change that God set in place in the universe.
God created the rock he couldn't lift when He made Jesus. Then, the Rock lifted itself, out of love for God.
So he could not lift the rock and died on the cross, killed by humans. Some powerful god you got there..
You talks so silly. The Rock WAS and IS God.
God tells us to pray, in the Bible.
It also tells you to:
Kill
To not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material
Strictly forbids you from eating rabbit, shellfish, pork, weasels, scavengers, reptiles, and owls
Own slaves
Not accept disabilities
Not to plant two crops in the same field
No Jewelry
And finally.... a rape victim must marry their perpetrator.
How many of these do you do?
Nope. You are wrong. The Bible doesn't tell anybody to do these things. Those instructions are listed in the Old Testament, and were for the ancient nation of Israel. They aren't for today's Israel, because Israel has stepped out of the God-fearing nation that ancient Israel was.
The New Testament is for everyone. It tells nobody to do the things you have listed.
However, those rules you have listed, under similar life circumstances today as were found in ancient Israel back then, are some of the best rules that any nation can follow.
I dont believe in someone who people are calling god and that he is looking at us and like this stuff.
But it is nearly for 100% sure, that there are things, that are a trillion times smarter that we are,
there must something extist that make this one universe, in that we are living.
Because like every theorie is saying, nothing can build by itself.
But it is nearly for 100% sure, that there are things, that are a trillion times smarter that we are,
there must something extist that make this one universe, in that we are living.
Because like every theorie is saying, nothing can build by itself.
Perhaps you never belong to any religions. Religion is the belief in the god's power who will be always beside us in all works
This fact helps us more powers to overcome all challenges in our life. Therefore I Trust in God.
We all are born into one religion or other. - But many of us change our religions over time.
I understand your need for an imaginary friend. Many kids have them and they grow out of them. - But many adults never come to an understanding that God exists, even when it is shown directly to them, like:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.
The problem I have is when people try to preach to others that their imaginary friend exists because someone wrote it down in a book. - Good thinking. Now use science and the reality of the world, as shown in the links, above, to start by seeing that God exists.
A book and a lot of marketing all it takes to operate this scam. - Once you understand that God exists, then get into the Book to find out the details about Him.
I don't care if it helps you. People think Earth is 6000 years old. That is a problem for everyone. - A worse problem is blindly listening to a bunch of self-styled, self-contradictory, liar scientists, and others, who claim all kinds of ages for they earth that they will never be able to back up.
Such line of thinking blocks any scientific progress. - Yes. Many scientists and others block scientific progress.
When people homeschool their kids on this BS they raise new generation of jihadists. - So, lets find and express only the true parts of science, so that public schooled kids can learn the truth just like the home schooled kids.
It also tells you to:
Kill
To not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material
Strictly forbids you from eating rabbit, shellfish, pork, weasels, scavengers, reptiles, and owls
Own slaves
Not accept disabilities
Not to plant two crops in the same field
No Jewelry
And finally.... a rape victim must marry their perpetrator.
How many of these do you do?
Now investigate the religions to see if one of them is way ahead of all the rest, and why.
Hope your not appealling to the masses here, which is a fallacy of course.Jump to: