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April 24, 2020, 10:14:46 AM
I already wrote above that I am not an expert in this field. But I personally believe that no one can be cured by force against their will. You can take a person against their will to various clinics, treat and control them. But if the person does not want to recover and get rid of the attachment to drugs, alcohol, gambling, then he will return to his previous occupation after some time after treatment.
But if a gambler is already out of his mind, he will have to be force to go under rehab to be cured, and though it could be against his will, but eventually he will realize that he needs to cooperate to live a normal life. Problem with addicted gamblers is they are not thinking straight anymore, so sometimes a force is needed for them to separate from gambling which is the source of their addiction.
Rehab gives them a good reason to live a normal life, from that point there is a good chance that self will start to bring something out from their mind. If they'll let the process to continue and those bad things that keeps circulating inside about gambling will be flushed out, then new sets of things to do will bring the person new reasons to live without gambling to accompanied.
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April 24, 2020, 08:48:45 AM
But if a gambler is already out of his mind, he will have to be force to go under rehab to be cured, and though it could be against his will, but eventually he will realize that he needs to cooperate to live a normal life. Problem with addicted gamblers is they are not thinking straight anymore, so sometimes a force is needed for them to separate from gambling which is the source of their addiction.

Treatment against the will of the patient can only give a temporary healing effect. A person may not return to old habits for a while. His passion for gambling will be preserved, but it will be hidden and temporarily suppressed. But the time will come and the person will return to his addiction.

This is exactly the same as with the desire to quit Smoking, until you really realize what harm it does to your body and do not want to get rid of the habit yourself, then no one will force you to do it.
I think there is no need for them to rehab because the true cure is depends to their selves once they want to stop or have control they can do that. Not all the people who get in the rehab are totally cure because once it's done and they go outside they start again their bad habits but they have totally cure but less percentage only to the people who get that treatment.

I would say that expensive and long-term rehabilitation is not necessary for recovery. In this case, it is more important that the patient himself wants to recover and leave his harmful addictions. However, if money and time allows you to go through rehabilitation, it is unlikely to hurt.
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April 24, 2020, 06:26:28 AM
But if a gambler is already out of his mind, he will have to be force to go under rehab to be cured, and though it could be against his will, but eventually he will realize that he needs to cooperate to live a normal life. Problem with addicted gamblers is they are not thinking straight anymore, so sometimes a force is needed for them to separate from gambling which is the source of their addiction.

Treatment against the will of the patient can only give a temporary healing effect. A person may not return to old habits for a while. His passion for gambling will be preserved, but it will be hidden and temporarily suppressed. But the time will come and the person will return to his addiction.

This is exactly the same as with the desire to quit Smoking, until you really realize what harm it does to your body and do not want to get rid of the habit yourself, then no one will force you to do it.
I think there is no need for them to rehab because the true cure is depends to their selves once they want to stop or have control they can do that. Not all the people who get in the rehab are totally cure because once it's done and they go outside they start again their bad habits but they have totally cure but less percentage only to the people who get that treatment.
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April 24, 2020, 05:53:49 AM
But if a gambler is already out of his mind, he will have to be force to go under rehab to be cured, and though it could be against his will, but eventually he will realize that he needs to cooperate to live a normal life. Problem with addicted gamblers is they are not thinking straight anymore, so sometimes a force is needed for them to separate from gambling which is the source of their addiction.

Treatment against the will of the patient can only give a temporary healing effect. A person may not return to old habits for a while. His passion for gambling will be preserved, but it will be hidden and temporarily suppressed. But the time will come and the person will return to his addiction.

This is exactly the same as with the desire to quit Smoking, until you really realize what harm it does to your body and do not want to get rid of the habit yourself, then no one will force you to do it.
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April 23, 2020, 07:19:43 AM
I already wrote above that I am not an expert in this field. But I personally believe that no one can be cured by force against their will. You can take a person against their will to various clinics, treat and control them. But if the person does not want to recover and get rid of the attachment to drugs, alcohol, gambling, then he will return to his previous occupation after some time after treatment.
But if a gambler is already out of his mind, he will have to be force to go under rehab to be cured, and though it could be against his will, but eventually he will realize that he needs to cooperate to live a normal life. Problem with addicted gamblers is they are not thinking straight anymore, so sometimes a force is needed for them to separate from gambling which is the source of their addiction.
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April 23, 2020, 07:00:51 AM
The most important step in a person's recovery is to understand that they have a problem and want to get rid of it.
Well, it is true but many addicts think that they are not addicted to gambling and they refuse to have special treatments from the experts. Even they dispute any suggestions from their family members or friends. It will be hard to raise the awareness of the addicts to get rid in this case. I think their family must force them to visit professional mental health regularly. What do you think, mate?

I already wrote above that I am not an expert in this field. But I personally believe that no one can be cured by force against their will. You can take a person against their will to various clinics, treat and control them. But if the person does not want to recover and get rid of the attachment to drugs, alcohol, gambling, then he will return to his previous occupation after some time after treatment.
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April 21, 2020, 12:02:12 PM
For this time I don't any plan quitting gambling because I believe that I can manage myself of using my money and I know when I stop playing once I reach my maximum lose.
There's no need to quit because you are a responsible gambler, unless you are not having fun anymore.
Sometimes it will take time to be responsible as some experience more loses before they learn, but lucky are those people who were able to control themselves as they can really enjoy in gambling with moderation.

We know many people are not control themselves in the terms of playing but we can help them by giving our opinion about how they stop it or on how they control it to not lose a huge money and once a player have limit they have high chance to win also.
Many but only few compared to the total number of gamblers who are having fun with gambling, and I believe it's normal that there are people who are responsible and there people who are not, all I hope is that they will learn right away from their mistake so the damage will not go further.
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April 21, 2020, 04:45:38 AM

This can work under someone else supervision like in your case are your parents which can restrict you all the tools that you can use to gamble with and keep an eye on you until let’s say you have not gambled for a month.
The real problem with control is when you are an independent adult that controls everything for yourself.In this case if the situation goes out of control then it is almost sure that a lot of problems will arise in the near future.

I was very surprised at the time how many adults can't control themselves on their own. They drink too much alcohol, gamble, cheat on their wives and husbands, and so on.
These people can and should be saved, but they themselves must seek help or their family members must do so.

The most important step in a person's recovery is to understand that they have a problem and want to get rid of it.

Many real addicts know this and know they should stop but they keep on doing it.

You can ask any wife beater or child molester. They know it's wrong and every time they do it they apologize and gfeel bad, Then they promise to never do it again, stay strong for a month or two and then it happens again and everything starts over.

The most important step is not to be able to tell the truth and admit to a problem. The most important is to really work on changing it.

I would not compare people's attachment to gambling with what you have written. Because these are slightly different things in terms of public danger and consequences. I am not an expert in the treatment of such issues, so I only expressed my opinion.
I had a rather turbulent youth at the time, it was due to great upheavals in the country, but I realized that I was leading a wrong lifestyle and corrected myself.
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April 20, 2020, 09:55:17 AM
Can you consciously and willingly stop gambling at any time?
If you can do the above, you have great control and discipline, of course you are not an addict and you deserve to gamble as much as you want.
If not, clarify your ways of stopping gambling.
Of course yes. If that's what my family wants me to do or my partner to do. I can give up all of I have when it comes to the person I love even though my addiction on gambling.
Although I am a gambler, I know my ways and limitations whenever I am gambling so there is a fact that ai can control myself whatever happens when I am playing.
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April 20, 2020, 09:31:36 AM
Gambling is one of the most fun into the world and many people now are enjoying this kind of gambling there is only two-person into the world of gambling. First is the person who would like to seek the fun and satisfaction to their desires just to play gambling some of them are skilled enough to win their games but they only want is just to play and earn want some extra profit. Next are the people who would like to earn more profit those are the people paying attention to the world of gambling that is giving their time to make some study well about the different games they can play and now they applied all the learnings they have and use their experience to do in every situation and this is a good thing it can go towards to the world of gambling to make a profit, but sometimes luck is not with us if you think you lose a lot of income better to calm and rest for a while because it is hard to make decisions in life if you are not physically and mentally stable to do the game.
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April 20, 2020, 07:31:44 AM
For this time I don't any plan quitting gambling because I believe that I can manage myself of using my money and I know when I stop playing once I reach my maximum lose.

We know many people are not control themselves in the terms of playing but we can help them by giving our opinion about how they stop it or on how they control it to not lose a huge money and once a player have limit they have high chance to win also.
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April 20, 2020, 07:11:12 AM
Self-control is the main order for everyone.
But Only few can follow and apply to themselves .
It is a learned way if we know how to handle it, we can be successful in various things in life like gambling.
and in any vices mate,we can manage to just take some but won't become addicted,Like womanizing,drugs,cigarettes or alcohol.
If you are good at gambling, you will always be looking to accumulate winnings just as trading does.

accumulating win in gambling is not that easy even how good you are,there will always a chance of losing .
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April 20, 2020, 07:07:27 AM
It is easier said than done. Every gambler is aware of this, however, people always push their luck if they are winning or they don't lose their hope when they are chasing their losses. So, most of the time gamblers stop when they are even or they have lost all their fund. Only those who have a good self-control wins.

Yes, it is easy to say Grin

I think we are aware of that, but sometimes we cannot deny the passion for playing gambling for more rounds, so that makes us continue playing another game. I cannot imagine if they still push their luck to stay playing in the next rounds because if they realize that, they will regret it because their luck will not remain in the next round. Only a few of them can have self-control while others will lose their money.
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April 20, 2020, 06:47:52 AM
Self-control is the main order for everyone. It is a learned way if we know how to handle it, we can be successful in various things in life like gambling. If you are good at gambling, you will always be looking to accumulate winnings just as trading does.
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April 20, 2020, 06:08:20 AM
However, for a gambler who has control. I think they will stop if they already lose a large amount of money.
They don't need to lose a large amount of money before they will stop, in fact if they lose all the money they allocate in gambling "which they can afford to lose", they can stop because they are a discipline gambler.

So they have greater desire to play if they are winning, they had the control to stop if it wasn't going well and the money they lose already reach the capital they allotted for gambling.
In any situation, whether losing or winning, discipline is very important so this two factors will be applied.

1-you won't lose more than you can afford to lose.
2-if you are winning, you'll end with a profit.
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April 20, 2020, 12:43:33 AM
I am among those who are lucky, because I can control my desire to play gambling. Which means I'm not a gambling addict.
I am not sure you are not a gambling addict even though you can control it. Controlling the desire to gamble is an attempt to avoid various problems that are often felt by gamblers and in my opinion this effort is not to avoid addiction because someone who can return to playing gambling are those who are said to be addicted.

Actually what I want to know is, which one is more likely that most people lose control when at the gambling table at a time that makes them last longer to not leave?
- often wins
- often loses
Someone will have the opportunity to stay longer at the gambling table if they often win bets. The more money collected through winning, the longer the chance to play. Nothing can last longer at the gambling table if they often experience defeat.

The desire of someone to bet longer at the gambling table in my opinion will vary. Greater desire to continue playing may be felt by those who often experience defeat assuming that they want to return the capital that has been used up. But for those who win more often then I think they will think of ending the game faster and enjoying the results. Playing endlessly in hopes of getting dozens of wins I think will only make the results of the previous win potentially run out, so ending the game faster is one of the right things.


I don't really have a concrete answer but I think it won't matter for a gambling addict. The more they win, the more they play because they have a lot of money to play. The more they lose, the more they want to return the money they just lose. Either way they will continue playing. Until they are in the mood to stop(if they are winning) or they really had no money left to play with.

However, for a gambler who has control. I think they will stop if they already lose a large amount of money. So they have greater desire to play if they are winning, they had the control to stop if it wasn't going well and the money they lose already reach the capital they allotted for gambling.
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April 19, 2020, 03:24:02 AM
I might say, you can not achieve self control when you don't have a mindset of a responsible gambler.
And what the mindset of a responsible gambler exactly? Can you describe it, buddy?
In my newbie perception, being a responsible gambler means you must know the priority of your funds and can manage it properly. For example, you will limit your funds to play daily, so if you have spent the money allocated for gambling that day, you kindly stop playing gambling at that time and play again tomorrow. Is that thing you mean above, buddy?

That could be a good basis if we have to define a being a responsible gambler. You have limits, budget and time wise. So it's not just about the capital you're going to spend, but you also need to understand that time is only one element that you need to consider when you're a gambler.

If you can't control your money and all you have to do is to play and spend more time on gambling platforms whether it's online or physical casinos then you can be categorically call gambling addicts.

It is not easy for an addict to control his addiction, that is why it addicts go for professional help. On pare and while writing it sounds so easy but in practical it is very hard. I have tried several time to control and overcome my addiction of smoking but have alway failed.

I have seen people getting destroyed because of gambling addiction but still they prefer gambling first over anything.

There is nothing like a responsible gambler a gambler is a gambling addict.
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April 19, 2020, 02:07:22 AM
I am not sure you are not a gambling addict even though you can control it. Controlling the desire to gamble is an attempt to avoid various problems that are often felt by gamblers and in my opinion, this effort is not to avoid addiction because someone who can return to playing gambling are those who are said to be addicted.
That is not a call in the name of addiction, their desire is only to return to playing gambling to have fun and enjoy it as entertainment when he wants, something that has limitations not included in the addiction category, let alone can control themselves.
Everyone has control but they only say that we have no control I think anyone can stop gaming at any time when they realize that playing any more could be risky but sometimes people try to recover the loss and they lose even more so better have control on your emotions and not to let your greed or your addiction give you financial lose, self-control is the most important feature for a good gambler.

It is easier said than done. Every gambler is aware of this, however, people always push their luck if they are winning or they don't lose their hope when they are chasing their losses. So, most of the time gamblers stop when they are even or they have lost all their fund. Only those who have a good self-control wins.
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April 18, 2020, 11:10:52 PM
I might say, you can not achieve self control when you don't have a mindset of a responsible gambler.
And what the mindset of a responsible gambler exactly? Can you describe it, buddy?
In my newbie perception, being a responsible gambler means you must know the priority of your funds and can manage it properly. For example, you will limit your funds to play daily, so if you have spent the money allocated for gambling that day, you kindly stop playing gambling at that time and play again tomorrow. Is that thing you mean above, buddy?

That could be a good basis if we have to define a being a responsible gambler. You have limits, budget and time wise. So it's not just about the capital you're going to spend, but you also need to understand that time is only one element that you need to consider when you're a gambler.

If you can't control your money and all you have to do is to play and spend more time on gambling platforms whether it's online or physical casinos then you can be categorically call gambling addicts.
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April 18, 2020, 09:43:48 PM
When someone drunk, he cannot think clearly, and I cannot imagine how he can play gambling with the right. Maybe his opponent or his friend will be laughing to see he say something that is not related to the games because I already saw that if someone drunk, he tends to say anything without any correlation. But that is true, and we need to stay away from drunk if we gamble except we come to the casino because of our friends invite us to see them playing gambling, and we can drink to stay beside them without playing any gambling games.

I somehow agree, it is best to not be drunk in a place where you should think critically. However, there are those talented people who can stay alert and can still think effectively while under the influence of alcohol. I don't know how can they do it but I met one. Damn he's good, every choices he make is still calculated, he stays calm, and I saw him drunk a lot. It is alcohol tolerance? Or is he already put it in his system to be drunk while playing.

I don't know about alcohol tolerance, but I met someone who can control his drunk even though he is drunk, but he doesn't gamble. He can stay calm and talk like other people who are not drunk. I ask him about how he can control himself, and he said it's all about our mind. Our mind controls our body, and when you can manage your mind to stay calm, you can control the body. It is hard to imagine, but I think some people can do that, maybe they already got some lessons about that.
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