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May 04, 2019, 06:00:24 AM
Lying is a lie, nonsense, fiction.
Watching how you can teach a patient a lie, you can both say a doctor is lying or not.
If at the same time he does not violate the oath of the hepocracy and it will benefit the patient, then it can be considered not a lie.
And as an ordinary person - the doctor is lying like all of us ...
That is what we have being saying it depends on the health conditions of the patients for doctor to tell him not to smoke or drink but even the doctor is also supposed to uphold what he teaches and practice because his lifestyle also reflect on his Job.
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May 04, 2019, 02:06:31 AM

More health care datapoints:

 - Friend of mine spent 1.6 days in a U.S. hospital and had ablation treatment to his heart.  Surgery was supposed to take 3 hours and took 7 so it was not as simple as some.  Bill: around $47,000.00  The surgery portion of that was around $30,000.00

 - A pregnant Filipino friend of mine just spent two nights and three days in a private hospital and was visited twice by her doctor in addition to ultrasound and analysis by the attending.  Total bill: $450.00 equiv.

So, medical care in the United States costs about 100 times that of private care in The Philippines.  I'm not sure how much higher the disparity will need to go before people here in the U.S. catch on that we are getting royally screwed and start looking around for reasons why that might be.  Perhaps it will never occur.  With adequate fluoride 'supplements' in the water and forced vaccination perhaps the trend can continue indefinitely.

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May 03, 2019, 06:40:22 PM
Lying is a lie, nonsense, fiction.
Watching how you can teach a patient a lie, you can both say a doctor is lying or not.
If at the same time he does not violate the oath of the hepocracy and it will benefit the patient, then it can be considered not a lie.
And as an ordinary person - the doctor is lying like all of us ...
Yeah that's it, they have an oath, a promise that they will serve the people professionally. And whatever inside their oaths, I'm sure that it's all for the good of the patients.
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May 03, 2019, 05:39:04 AM
A doctor was once asked "why do you smoke, since you do advise that smokers are liable to die young?" his reply was that "Something must kill a man and that himself has chosen to die through smoking". Well the medical doctor was only expressing his human addiction nature that although it's medically not good to smoke, but since he himself is addicted to smoking and he has find no way of stopping it, he may as well die off it. The doctor didn't lie but succumbed to his weakness,.
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May 03, 2019, 05:20:13 AM
Lying is a lie, nonsense, fiction.
Watching how you can teach a patient a lie, you can both say a doctor is lying or not.
If at the same time he does not violate the oath of the hepocracy and it will benefit the patient, then it can be considered not a lie.
And as an ordinary person - the doctor is lying like all of us ...
legendary
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May 03, 2019, 01:06:41 AM
Of course doctors don't lie. They are trained to always tell the truth. It's their teachers who lie. Check the links in the article.

Future doctors being trained that unborn babies are “parasites” in the body


Is an unborn human baby the same thing as a deadly parasite or a cancerous tumor? ...

Pffft.  Here nnews and the student are just being silly.  The good proffesor is quite right;  nnborn babies are pretty much by definition 'parasites'.  They do manipulate the mother's immune system to avoid being rejected.  Actually it's the placenta which does the grunt work.  That is a temporary organ the mother provide.

What the good doctor didn't mention (or the report didn't mention) is that the sole purpose for a woman in the broader scheme of things is to adequately support exactly this 'parasite' and pump out as many as possible.  Basically guys are the same.  At least this is my outlook on things.

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May 02, 2019, 09:50:40 PM
Of course doctors don't lie. They are trained to always tell the truth. It's their teachers who lie. Check the links in the article.


Future doctors being trained that unborn babies are “parasites” in the body



Is an unborn human baby the same thing as a deadly parasite or a cancerous tumor? According to Professor Pascal Gagneux from the University of California San Diego School of Medicine, unborn human life and these two deadly diseases are basically one and the same.

As reported by The College Fix, Prof. Gagneux recently put up a slide during one of his lectures comparing what he claims are the similarities between “fetuses and cancers” – insinuating that unborn human babies are a parasite or cancer inside their mothers’ bodies.

Dylan Griswold, a medical student who attends Stanford University in Northern California, recently went public with a photo of the slide in question, which he says he obtained from a friend who’s actually enrolled in Prof. Gagneux’s class.

As you can see in the photo, which Griswold shared to Twitter, Prof. Gagneux wrote in the slide that a human fetus is “a legitimate parasite” because it “rapidly grows,” “invades” the mother’s body, “manipulates immunity of mother,” and “reshapes blood vessels.”

Just like cancer, Prof. Gagneux maintains, a human fetus “crashes the party!!!” by doing all of the same things – the message to the future doctors and nurses enrolled in his class being that unborn human life isn’t something to be cherished and celebrated, but rather “treated” or “exterminated” as a type of disease.

“I’m speechless,” Griswold commented about the photo, which was reportedly taken during Prof. Gagneux’s “Biology of Disease” class.


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April 28, 2019, 03:50:20 AM
The fact is that doctor told you not to smoke and drink and it turns out that he too smokes and drinks doesn't make him a liar.
A doctor is a human and so has his own way of life.
He told you the truth because smoking and drinking has some negative side effect on the smoker .
His work is to be truthful to patients.
His private life is his business .
But there are some medicines prescribed by the doctors intentionally to spread the new disease on our body slowly while curing the other disease which is called as side effect on the medication statement but this is a strategy of making profits from health care business.
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April 28, 2019, 02:44:29 AM
#99
The fact is that doctor told you not to smoke and drink and it turns out that he too smokes and drinks doesn't make him a liar.
A doctor is a human and so has his own way of life.
He told you the truth because smoking and drinking has some negative side effect on the smoker .
His work is to be truthful to patients.
His private life is his business .
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April 27, 2019, 04:37:44 PM
#98

Despite the fact that I agree with all the comments, we should not fail to understand that doctors are just professionals trying to help us with health related issues and at that still have they own personalities. Some time they life may contradict they profession but in all we must still take they advice in other for us to leave healthy.

I shall try to avoid doctors who are or who might be Talmudic in nature.

Quote from: In Iore Dea (158,1)

    "The Akum are not to be cured, even for money, unless it would incur their enmity."


If I am forced to use a doctor who might be influenced by the Talmud I will make it abundantly clear to him/her that if they don't do their best to make me (or my family member) better, they _will_ 'incur my enmity'.  Big-time.

Certain widely popularized 'medical ethicists' here in the U.S. seem to have some Talmudic influence circumstantially via their surnames, and less abstractly via their teachings.  Seems the height of folly to take a chance on any such person.  At least if one is outside the apartheid state of Israel.

  http://www.talmudunmasked.com/chapter14.htm

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April 27, 2019, 03:45:46 PM
#97
Despite the fact that I agree with all the comments, we should not fail to understand that doctors are just professionals trying to help us with health related issues and at that still have they own personalities. Some time they life may contradict they profession but in all we must still take they advice in other for us to leave healthy.
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April 27, 2019, 01:24:06 PM
#96

I think Doctors GUESS more than anything.  Sometimes they are wrong and you can get even worse!!

Some doctors, like those who work for major 'Health Maintenance Organizations' here in he U.S., seem to obtain an amazing amount of compensation for 'guessing' in a certain direction.  Inevitably that direction just so happens to result in huge spendings of their victim which ends up in the pockets of the pharmaceutical industry.

Note that if you are a 'very high net worth' individual, you A) don't need 'money' as most mortals understand the term, and B) have board seats on a variety of boards of directors in a variety of sectors.  Or sub-sectors.  If losses in one result in bigger gains in the other, that's fine.

I see most 'doctors' as being in the same class as most 'politicians'.  They are almost all basically puppets.  Some minority of them have some concept of how their strings get pulled, but most of those who do can find a justification to put on a set of blinders because life is relatively good for them.

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April 27, 2019, 07:17:51 AM
#95
Recently i went to the hospital to check see the doctor and i was told the doctor to attend to me will be back soon, while waiting, he came in and from the look of things he had gone to smoke, it got me thinking, can it be that they are telling us not to do this and that and if you follow them you wont eat anything because everything is bad to health, no drinking of alcohol, smoking of any kind and the list is endless, why would a doctor now turned around and go smoking?

Truth be told, doctors, nurses and health professionals are found of smoking and drinking and many more but science has made us aware through health talks by this same doctors and nurses and health professionals, which means some of these class of professionals don't do what they educate us of and that does not mean we should emulate those who don't do as the say and risk our own precious life. life is precious and smoking and alcohol both has a great impact on our lungs and liver which are vital organs in the body. do what is right and prolong your life.
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April 27, 2019, 05:19:30 AM
#94
I think Doctors GUESS more than anything.  Sometimes they are wrong and you can get even worse!!
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April 26, 2019, 09:50:01 PM
#93
I think doctors do lie and save you the same time why? because we have previous or old herbal medicine that some is more helpful rather than the given ointment or capsule and more. instead of suggesting a certain herbal medicine that they know is effective they give you a piece of paper which medicine that you can buy at the pharmacy. why do they do this? because there a something that it would broke a doctoral something or king a rule(forgot this part but about what I said is true)

believe me I hope you read this because this is what I say is true and legit.

take note that some herbals  are effective and some modern medicine is too also some of it is equivalent.
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April 26, 2019, 06:06:08 AM
#92
Recently i went to the hospital to check see the doctor and i was told the doctor to attend to me will be back soon, while waiting, he came in and from the look of things he had gone to smoke, it got me thinking, can it be that they are telling us not to do this and that and if you follow them you wont eat anything because everything is bad to health, no drinking of alcohol, smoking of any kind and the list is endless, why would a doctor now turned around and go smoking?
As a general registered nurse, I will advice you to stick to these cautions and counselling you have been given. I know majority of health personnel's who smoke and drink but yet preach against smoking and drinking. they really know its bad for their health yet they do it. both smoking and drinking of strong alcohol frequently can lead to lung cancer and liver cirrhosis respectively and as your able registered nurse, I advice you not to emulate any doctor or nurse or health practitioner who does not do as he or she preaches but stick to what you have been told and assuredly that will help prolong your life.
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April 26, 2019, 05:25:42 AM
#91
Yes they also lie all of us lie they are also human .
So at some point they would lie about something .
No offense but I also think that some of them lie for their patient so the patient would come back.
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April 25, 2019, 03:39:33 AM
#90
There are situations like that doctors say that you should get some meds which will eliminate symptom but not cause of disease. I think most of the doctors doesn't know final effects of the meds and finally people after few years become more sick than at begining. But thats not doctors' fault but big pharmas who produce medicines.
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April 24, 2019, 05:42:36 PM
#89
Doctors are helping sick people. We come to them to cure our sickness and disease. We also consult doctors to check our health so by giving us the result of the test, they must not lie to their patients, especially when it's really a serious matter. But then again, in my opinion, they are also a human, they have flaws so it's up to them what they will do.
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April 24, 2019, 08:27:16 AM
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It depends on their situation and mentality of each doctor how they feel forward to a patient. Moreover lying in diagnosis of a patient is not a justice. In payment category they may lie by seeing the financial background of the patient or attender whosoever might be.
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