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Quote from: Silberman on June 14, 2022, 03:48:29 PM

Quote from: judeafante on June 12, 2022, 08:25:12 AM

I will not mention any particular gambling casinos, but what are your thought if the casino or casinos with good feedback from the community, but with one unresolved scam accusation but from all angles, the accusation is legit with all the screenshots, transaction hash email conversation are provided by the complainant lets say he is not allowed to withdraw his earnings amounting to $100k but from all angles the accusation is valid, don't you think with thousand good feedback, its enough for the casino to lose his reputation with one legit accusation.

A legitimate accusation against any service will always have an effect, as an example sometimes I buy stuff from amazon and while it is impossible to find a product with only positive reviews, if one of the reviews which is negative has some solid ground then I will think twice before buying the product, and most likely something similar will happen to a casino, after all if you can find a casino that is clean from such legitimate accusations and you compare it to a casino with a few small but legitimate accusations, then it would not be rare at all for people to prefer the former rather than the latter.

Im really getting on this one or related into my actions too in speaking with online shopping.Even with having lots of positive feedbacks and on the time you do read up
several negative ones then you would really be having that impression that it might not really that good or something that would be putting you in doubt which is something
a very common behavior or mindset for some people on which it would be in result on hesitating on doing further action.Its true that any negative specially if its
proven or does have solid evidence could really put up a reputable casino into some bad state.

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I think OP needs to give an example or any so that we can share our own opinion regarding that case. I believed we will have different approaches and feedback based on how that case is handled by the involved casino. Generally, one accusation even how strong it is can't take down a site's reputation to the extent that only a few will now use them.

It's difficult and hard to take down a site's reputation that was built years in the making.

If we can refer to some cases before here, if ever OP can provide some, we can extend our responses in a much clearer and more elaborate way.

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Quote from: judeafante on June 12, 2022, 08:25:12 AM

I will not mention any particular gambling casinos, but what are your thought if the casino or casinos with good feedback from the community, but with one unresolved scam accusation but from all angles, the accusation is legit with all the screenshots, transaction hash email conversation are provided by the complainant lets say he is not allowed to withdraw his earnings amounting to $100k but from all angles the accusation is valid, don't you think with thousand good feedback, its enough for the casino to lose his reputation with one legit accusation.

Maybe you should name the casino since you're trying to start up a discussion about such a high figure amount and apparently it is well known, but not to some of us here. You're right that if everything on the betting side is correct and there is absolutely zero foul play, then any bet should be honored. I know of a sportbook who sometimes take million dollar plus bets on and will pay out. To most casinos with a big enough bank roll a bet is just a bet, they will try to cover the other side so they can just trim a spread off but sometimes they will take a loss and sometimes they will take a win - it is usually calculated in their favor using a lot of statistical information so over the long term it works out. $100k is lowball to any of the bigger name companies being advertised here.

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Quote from: judeafante on June 12, 2022, 08:25:12 AM

I will not mention any particular gambling casinos, but what are your thought if the casino or casinos with good feedback from the community, but with one unresolved scam accusation but from all angles, the accusation is legit with all the screenshots, transaction hash email conversation are provided by the complainant lets say he is not allowed to withdraw his earnings amounting to $100k but from all angles the accusation is valid, don't you think with thousand good feedback, its enough for the casino to lose his reputation with one legit accusation.

A legitimate accusation against any service will always have an effect, as an example sometimes I buy stuff from amazon and while it is impossible to find a product with only positive reviews, if one of the reviews which is negative has some solid ground then I will think twice before buying the product, and most likely something similar will happen to a casino, after all if you can find a casino that is clean from such legitimate accusations and you compare it to a casino with a few small but legitimate accusations, then it would not be rare at all for people to prefer the former rather than the latter.

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Not fully, but will have doubts. It will remain a question for every gambler if they will risk playing on the said gambling site. And the effect of that is almost like losing a slight reputation that may end up growing bigger in the long run.
That's why as much as possible they are trying to avoid any conflicts with their players. Everything must be resolved as quickly as they could, especially if there is a big money involved.
I have seen different accusations including one individual with gambling problems accusing about being mailed by one gambling site promos while he is on his way to recovering from addiction. It's not about money but yet it could stain their reputation if proven with facts.

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If we have a thousand negative feedback why would the casino make their whole reputation vulnerable and have some probelms with just a few people?

They do understand that only one reason is enough for making their whole reputation not just on the forum go bad, they also get a lot of negative mark and then there is new spam accusation, then there is all these screenshots and the person incharge might check it, then also they would have it written everywhere even on the main profile of the company. You think they would take a chance?

If they resolve it then it's alright!! But if they don't this stain stays forever.

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Quote from: robelneo on June 13, 2022, 10:42:29 AM

That is why if you're going to deposit and play with a big amount of money be sure to read the TOS of the casino and take into your heart these terms and follow it by heart

Even regardless of whether the money you want to deposited into a gambling site is a big amount of money or small amount of money, it is good to read the ToS of the gambling sites. Also generally speaking, this is not only on gambling sites but also on all other sites that have terms of service to follow, users are to read it in order not to violate the rules and to know what the betting site can accept or reject.

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Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on June 13, 2022, 10:52:54 PM

And the fact is that any honest casino faces scam accusations at every turn. A casino with a great reputation over the years is going to face those accusations, the important thing is how it deals with them. In many cases those accusations can be shown to be false from people who are trying to blackmail and are exposed in the scam accusations section. In the end it is clear which casinos are honest, even if it is inevitable that they will be accused of scamming from time to time.

Yes, that's correct. We have seen that honest casino face almost the same problem but fortunately, honest casinos can deal with them so well that the accusations don't do any harm to their casinos and instead they can earn or enhance their reputation for being able to defend themselves well. If the casino didn't do anything wrong or didn't cheat, they would be able to maintain the casino well and nothing bad would happen to the casino.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on June 13, 2022, 02:36:19 PM

Same goes with online gambling casinos. If they have been years in business with no accusations then I might start doubting the legitimacy of the 1 scam accusation. Unless I was provided with hard evidence.

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It's hard to take down a reputable site. It needs tons of scam accusations before their reputation will be ruined.

And the fact is that any honest casino faces scam accusations at every turn. A casino with a great reputation over the years is going to face those accusations, the important thing is how it deals with them. In many cases those accusations can be shown to be false from people who are trying to blackmail and are exposed in the scam accusations section. In the end it is clear which casinos are honest, even if it is inevitable that they will be accused of scamming from time to time.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on June 13, 2022, 02:36:19 PM

Same goes with online gambling casinos. If they have been years in business with no accusations then I might start doubting the legitimacy of the 1 scam accusation. Unless I was provided with hard evidence.

That's why our judgment will now be based on our personal experience in that casino. Even how solid the first accusation is, if it's still "unresolved" then we are not closing the book yet that something good is still in progress. As long as the casino representative is actively defending their stand and can deal with the evidence and proof, we can't say that their business will not that crash easily.

It's hard to take down a reputable site. It needs tons of scam accusations before their reputation will be ruined.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on June 13, 2022, 02:36:19 PM

Quote from: judeafante on June 12, 2022, 08:25:12 AM

I will not mention any particular gambling casinos, but what are your thought if the casino or casinos with good feedback from the community, but with one unresolved scam accusation but from all angles, the accusation is legit with all the screenshots, transaction hash email conversation are provided by the complainant lets say he is not allowed to withdraw his earnings amounting to $100k but from all angles the accusation is valid, don't you think with thousand good feedback, its enough for the casino to lose his reputation with one legit accusation.

Well it really depends just like with any other business whom you entrust your money to. If you go to your local butcher's business and order 2 pounds of meat and he gives you 1 pound, is he going to be trusted by you in the future? If he does this to all his customers then obviously he is a scammer but if it happened only the once then perhaps it was just a mistake.

Same goes with online gambling casinos. If they have been years in business with no accusations then I might start doubting the legitimacy of the 1 scam accusation. Unless I was provided with hard evidence.

Once it had been proven out or does have that solid or legit evidence then as an owner then you should really gonna prepare yourself because that 1 issue or scam accusation would might result into a disaster.

Just like on what been said that you should not be not confident because even how reputable or known you are but once issues do raise up and its been proven then that would really create that bad impression

which will cause or damage your business so never ever consider on missing out with those issues and try to get rid as much as you could.

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Quote from: judeafante on June 12, 2022, 08:25:12 AM

I will not mention any particular gambling casinos, but what are your thought if the casino or casinos with good feedback from the community, but with one unresolved scam accusation but from all angles, the accusation is legit with all the screenshots, transaction hash email conversation are provided by the complainant lets say he is not allowed to withdraw his earnings amounting to $100k but from all angles the accusation is valid, don't you think with thousand good feedback, its enough for the casino to lose his reputation with one legit accusation.

Well it really depends just like with any other business whom you entrust your money to. If you go to your local butcher's business and order 2 pounds of meat and he gives you 1 pound, is he going to be trusted by you in the future? If he does this to all his customers then obviously he is a scammer but if it happened only the once then perhaps it was just a mistake.

Same goes with online gambling casinos. If they have been years in business with no accusations then I might start doubting the legitimacy of the 1 scam accusation. Unless I was provided with hard evidence.

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Undoubtedly, the reputation of a casino is not only based on its ability to resolve complex cases that arise, one thing is the support in the face of trivial eventualities that happen, it is the norm, something always happens and the Casinos are there to solve them, but You also have to understand that certain situations, regardless of how they are presented in the solution, are a "warning" of caution or simply saying No to a Casino.

By the above I just mean that if a Casino consistently has problems with withdrawals, deposits, bonus payouts, rakeback or misleading promotions, but they result in reaching a fix (solutions) this creates a huge caution or great red flag, no matter how good they are at reaching agreements or solutions with users.

So specifically with what you are proposing OP, that is why this situation occurs with certain casinos, they have a good reputation so deeply rooted that despite the accusation, sometimes the community is not forceful in a total rejection, because such situations are not a constant and in fact sometimes they are presented for the first time, in any case that gray area that casinos have in terms of certain cases in their solution cannot be ignored even if it is a Casino with a great reputation.

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Quote from: Oceat on June 13, 2022, 12:27:35 PM

Quote from: panjul07 on June 13, 2022, 11:21:12 AM

One valid scam accusation may make a trusted casino lose their reputation, especially if the casino do not give good explanation about the case.
However the chance for the casino to lose the reputation just because of 1 legit accusation is so small because there are still many players who trust the casino and they may ignore about the accusation.
We cant deny the fact that there will be always issues in any casino and it may lead to scam accusation but the most important thing is to see how the casino try to explain and resolve the issue with a win-win solution.

Nah, one bad legit accusation will surely bring down the casino no matter how reputable they are because if they won't give a legit explanation or an answer why they did that then how could the people would trust them in the future if they just take it for granted and let it slip? It's their job to give satisfaction to their customer to fully trust their casino because we are talking about money here even if the price big or small. What matters most is their trustworthiness and transparent to their customer and future customer.

Even long time players or loyal ones will really be ending up on having doubts because he would definitely presume out that it might happen on him soon thats why leaving with those players
are likely to happen which its important that any unresolved issues and complaints should be fixed out right away if you dont like for you business to mess up and wont get any more users
or totally would be dead sooner or later then you should avoid these things because if you do get yourself about being too confident on unresolving one issue could
really be a sole reason to fuck up your business.

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Quote from: Oceat on June 13, 2022, 12:27:35 PM

Quote from: panjul07 on June 13, 2022, 11:21:12 AM

One valid scam accusation may make a trusted casino lose their reputation, especially if the casino do not give good explanation about the case.
However the chance for the casino to lose the reputation just because of 1 legit accusation is so small because there are still many players who trust the casino and they may ignore about the accusation.
We cant deny the fact that there will be always issues in any casino and it may lead to scam accusation but the most important thing is to see how the casino try to explain and resolve the issue with a win-win solution.

Nah, one bad legit accusation will surely bring down the casino no matter how reputable they are because if they won't give a legit explanation or an answer why they did that then how could the people would trust them in the future if they just take it for granted and let it slip? It's their job to give satisfaction to their customer to fully trust their casino because we are talking about money here even if the price big or small. What matters most is their trustworthiness and transparent to their customer and future customer.

Casinos must provide a detailed and transparent explanation of any allegations if they are able to resolve them in detail it can certainly maintain a longer reputation and many customers will believe that these casinos give their best when there is a problem.

In any case, the casino must be able to resolve it faster because customers want faster certainty, therefore reputable and reputable casinos always put this first so that their reputation is not destroyed when they were young.

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Quote from: panjul07 on June 13, 2022, 11:21:12 AM

One valid scam accusation may make a trusted casino lose their reputation, especially if the casino do not give good explanation about the case.
However the chance for the casino to lose the reputation just because of 1 legit accusation is so small because there are still many players who trust the casino and they may ignore about the accusation.
We cant deny the fact that there will be always issues in any casino and it may lead to scam accusation but the most important thing is to see how the casino try to explain and resolve the issue with a win-win solution.

Nah, one bad legit accusation will surely bring down the casino no matter how reputable they are because if they won't give a legit explanation or an answer why they did that then how could the people would trust them in the future if they just take it for granted and let it slip? It's their job to give satisfaction to their customer to fully trust their casino because we are talking about money here even if the price big or small. What matters most is their trustworthiness and transparent to their customer and future customer.

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One valid scam accusation may make a trusted casino lose their reputation, especially if the casino do not give good explanation about the case.
However the chance for the casino to lose the reputation just because of 1 legit accusation is so small because there are still many players who trust the casino and they may ignore about the accusation.
We cant deny the fact that there will be always issues in any casino and it may lead to scam accusation but the most important thing is to see how the casino try to explain and resolve the issue with a win-win solution.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on June 13, 2022, 03:53:45 AM

The victim can sue them and if the victim win, for sure the alleged Casino can't get away from it. I still hope they can solve it in a peaceful manner and for the victim, I hope they get justice for this. Though, I think this casino has a valid leeway to hold or forfeit the winnings like breaching TOS for example.

That is why if you're going to deposit and play with a big amount of money be sure to read the TOS of the casino and take into your heart these terms and follow it by heart, so you always have a good defense in case of a worse scenario, casinos are always checking your betting history, your login, and your behavior while you are playing, so be sure you are fully aware of what's happening if you are breaking the rules and still within the scope of the rules.

what you said is the true, if you make deposit for any site not even casino betting sites alone but other betting sites ensure that you understand the term and conditions of site before you fund the account. Because you a slight is noted that the were violates by you and your funds is already there as a deposit i don't think it's refundable

We skip reading the whole content of TOS most of the time but they really matter. Sometimes no matter how valid our complaints are if it's against their TOS, we can't still do anything to sue them. Also, huge casino sites with good reputations won't let simple issues ruin what they have built. They will surely resolve it unless we've also done a mistake on our part. That's the reason why we also have to reach out to their support so we could communicate about our issues.

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Quote from: robelneo on June 13, 2022, 10:42:29 AM

Quote from: lionheart78 on June 13, 2022, 03:53:45 AM

The victim can sue them and if the victim win, for sure the alleged Casino can't get away from it. I still hope they can solve it in a peaceful manner and for the victim, I hope they get justice for this. Though, I think this casino has a valid leeway to hold or forfeit the winnings like breaching TOS for example.

That is why if you're going to deposit and play with a big amount of money be sure to read the TOS of the casino and take into your heart these terms and follow it by heart, so you always have a good defense in case of a worse scenario, casinos are always checking your betting history, your login, and your behavior while you are playing, so be sure you are fully aware of what's happening if you are breaking the rules and still within the scope of the rules.

I admit, I am one of those people who will just click the I agree button for the TOS after registration. If the company really wants to ignore his complaint they will do it, I just hope they are just kinda busy that's why they are ignoring his request. I remember one of the nft I invested with this might be not related so much but it teaches me to read TOS that can still find in every website, it says that they have the power to change the rule any moment, that is the time I said I should read all the rule before joining, in case I might have a problem soon.

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Quote from: robelneo on June 13, 2022, 10:42:29 AM

Quote from: lionheart78 on June 13, 2022, 03:53:45 AM

The victim can sue them and if the victim win, for sure the alleged Casino can't get away from it. I still hope they can solve it in a peaceful manner and for the victim, I hope they get justice for this. Though, I think this casino has a valid leeway to hold or forfeit the winnings like breaching TOS for example.

That is why if you're going to deposit and play with a big amount of money be sure to read the TOS of the casino and take into your heart these terms and follow it by heart, so you always have a good defense in case of a worse scenario, casinos are always checking your betting history, your login, and your behavior while you are playing, so be sure you are fully aware of what's happening if you are breaking the rules and still within the scope of the rules.

what you said is the true, if you make deposit for any site not even casino betting sites alone but other betting sites ensure that you understand the term and conditions of site before you fund the account. Because you a slight is noted that the were violates by you and your funds is already there as a deposit i don't think it's refundable

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