Topic: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts? - page 4. (Read 1020 times)

Before you would be starting on playing gambling then you would really be having those kind of thoughts on which it would really be something that pertains about responsible gambling on which you would really be setting those borderlines and telling that you shouldnt really be going beyond those lines but on the time that you do already have that session then everything would really be changed up along the way and its something that it is really hard to resist. Yes, you are thinking that gambling spending or money lost is really acting some sort of tax or simply that you are just playing for fun but it is really that very normal that your mind
and emotion would really be sharing up that kind of thoughts and idea that losing money isnt a must thing that happen. This is where it do triggers out for someone to become that desperate.

Each person does have that different level when it comes to things specially if we do speak about gambling where money could come fast and go. So it would really be just that right that
you should really be that mindful always on the things that you are dealing with.

Understanding probability works well for excellent Mathematicians, but sometimes they'll lose in gambling because the house also uniquely applies those mathematical rules and can be changed once discovered that a gambler is trying to discover the formula used in instructing the slot machine. Games like Dice can easily be known by a mathematician as he'll be able to detect an unfair die. While they have advantages over gambling outcomes, when and what to predict, they still fall for some losses, and when not careful would lose out more money, as they'll rely on their knowledge for probability which may end up failing them. Was once playing a poker game with some elderly men and a young teenager and one man at the table predicted that from the law of probability, he'll win before the next two rounds, and I wasn't there to know if it worked or not. But, somehow he was right, as it had to do with the knowledge of the people around him and the cards issued to him.

Games like roulette are difficult to predict using probabilities, as the numbers are too much to predict where the ball would roll and stop. Hence I prefer the strategy of choosing the color, black or red. It makes the prediction easier, though it has a lesser payout. When looking for a higher payout predicting 1-9 or a few ranges of numbers still works fine. It's better than losing out trying to predict the exact number, which has the most reward. Black roulette is a game that helps the player figure out some technique that could yield him some funds if he's active and observes the way the ball moves. However it takes a longer time to devise a strong strategy that works for the game, but once the game begins to interest a gambler he can make great predictions. A mathematician also has to undergo this process to be able to perform well in roulette games.

I think that definitely that's the perfect analogy I have ever read and I couldn't agree for more. Those biases are clearly the indicator we get drawn on it, it's really not noticeable but biases live upon us day by day not just in gambling but even on information we get especially nowadays in social media.

The allure of easy money is simply too strong for some people, but what they fail to realize is that what they consider to be easy money is in fact the most difficult way to make money that exists, as if you get a job and work hard then you will get a pay for your efforts, but in gambling since the odds are against you and if you bet for long enough then it becomes a certainty that you will lose money instead of making any, and yet there are many people every day that try to make money this way.

If they only think about winning millions by gambling from the start, they will experience disappointment because gambling will not give them that easily. They will lose more than they win at gambling games, even until they run out of money. They can get money from gambling but cannot get the winnings every day because more losses will come than they think. That's what will make them deeper into gambling until finally they become addicted to gambling, and they don't realize that they are addicted to gambling. If they want to make money, they should look elsewhere and not from gambling because that won't work for most people, so they shouldn't try too hard to get it.

Well, I think that women know nothing about mathematics, when you enter a casino to play, dice, roulette or any other game in a casino , you Know very well that Bears can be quite good when it comes to doing something like spreading some mathematics , patterns of even , odd, or something like that have already been Established, but When we are doing this it is something difficult, in my case I have an experience Regarding this , because when I was at the University, I was with a friend, we always went to roulette, because roulette had Certain patterns, sometimes we only discovered them to win, but from one moment to the next things Happened that he learned a pattern and I learned a different pattern, only that sometimes Sometimes we were also confused because the pattern was destroyed when we found the Pattern , things quickly started another pattern, also with the colors, one of the easiest ways to win is with the Colors , we always did Something like that because when we were present, What made us lose was 0 or 00, and in this case it was difficult to define how we could win.

In this order of ideas, we as a person can look for a way to earn more money , but it is Difficult, in fact we discovered that when we played it was Difficult when there were only the two of us in the roulette, it was easier when there were more people in the Roulette, people, now when it was completely full, things were easier because if or if someone at roulette had to win money, and that was when we were most interested, usually we would go at 6 in the afternoon because that was the way we saw it. The big fish arrived, told us what they were betting on the most, that was when we applied our biggest secrets, we already had signals and everything, so sometimes we were confused, we were confused because the music, the drink, the emotion, everything had an Influence.

You can not be addicted in gambling and also have other experience of escape root, and secondly in gambling once youa re addicted in gambling what you will be think is the process whereby you can be able to recover what you have spent so far in gambling, so addiction will make you to think that gambling is a source of living or source of life, so gambling have a spirit and once you start gambling you will definitely be thinking to make or win millions with gambling

Understanding probability and understanding what gambling is as a whole then obviously I also have the same assumption as you that indeed they will avoid addiction, I will not say that they will 100% avoid addiction because clearly anything is very likely to happen, such as changes the mindset they experience because they are unable to resist all temptations that look tempting even though they are nothing more than traps. Yes, that's true, none other than because humans are created with common sense and they have a sense of curiosity within themselves which of course is what makes many gamblers finally enter the addiction phase which is confirmed by gambling which always happens randomly which makes them even more addicted. curious because it is difficult to win.

So the more you place hope and curiosity, the deeper you will be involved in the addiction cycle, that's why we are always advised to have firm self-control and control, because some situations in every session you play will always make you tempted to overact. .

How it starts can be through a multitude of ways - often being in a certain receptive state of mind and falling for the idea of an easy way to earn money in the difficult world we live in. However reducing it to a few sentences does not necessarily capture why people are interested in gambling, take a lottery for example - even if the odds are many millions to one that you'll take the top prize, some people like the dream idea of being able to trade $2 for a jackpot worth many millions and it can give them a bit of hope in often monotonous lives. On a regular basis though, if you're playing casino games where you know that you lose $5 every time you bet $100, until your wallet is fully deplete, that is an effort in futility.

If you really understand about mathematical probability in gambling and you also know about how gambling systems work, then you will never gamble. because when it comes to profits, gambling is not a place to make profits. Except if you're really lucky.

Likewise with people who have just entered the world of gambling and those who have been trapped in gambling for a long time, apart from the pleasure they are looking for. Because gambling is about chance and luck, there are lots of people there (in the world of gambling) who try their luck and hope that they are part of the lucky ones. This hope is what triggers and becomes a motivation for someone to continue gambling and betting. And they believe that when they bet large amounts, the chances of winning are also large. And they believe that when they experience consecutive defeats, they assume that victory will be closer to achieving their victory. This is what makes someone keep going back to gambling even though they often lose.

This can also be learned with the time as you gain more and more experience as a gambler.For example I have been playing a specific slot right now,no need to name it but in any casino that offers us to see how many persons are playing that slot it is usually over 150 people contemporary playing it.It is a slot that gives you the bonus round very very often if played with the right currency (IDR) and I have seen that when it has no intention to pay out big usually the bonus rounds end in the first stage of it.When I spot such pattern quite some time I call it a day and stop playing because it is like saying to me that "I am not giving you anything therefore do not lose time and go away".With the time and experience someone learns to know the patterns where to stop,this also is somewhat helpful to not start the addiction at all.

People who understand probability will not be addicted to gambling, because they know when to enter and when to end betting.
The only reason I believe why gambling is addictive is because the human brain is taught the phrase "you can win big by gambling".
This makes people compete to risk their money to gamble and hope to win big. The more often he loses, the more his subconscious mind automatically appears to want to play more often to take revenge for his defeat.

Yes you are right in both but I think first time win is most crucial and trap for winner and most people who gamble laugh at first time winners that they would start losing afterwards. They see it as a welcome bonus given to those winners as they just tasted gambling. Most times this allusion seem to be the case because surprisely the winners may not have any more winning after several attempts.

Therefore, I consider first time winners as those that get hooked up in addition because they want to taste such winning again and unfortunately they may not be able but they keep trying instead of them to come to the reality that they just got lucky to win, thus they could reduce their playing times and bankroll to gradually stop but addiction doesn't allow someone to think properly 

He is right in many of his opinions about gambling you treat gambling as fun and you're paying for it but eventually, you are lured to thinking that you can make money the word Andreas attaches to this is confirmation bias, or cognitive bias when a player continues to because of luck or from their effort the dopamine is building up which turn to gambling addiction.

So the activity that you treat to be just fun because of the triggering of dopamine turns you into a gambling addict you may not be aware of it because the dopamine keeps you logging in to play, you may think that you paying to have fun and you think its ok but those around you think you are not.

You start to lose money, you start to lose time, and your relationship suffers because of your cognitive bias that it is all just for fun when in reality you are addicted.
The cure to this is always opening up to your loved ones so they become your important party to gauge if you are still good or already having it too much.

We are all humans but we are all different, what could spike an addiction in me can be a total turn off for you, in the world of gambling anything is possible, anyone can become an addict in any possible way, some starts their addiction after the lose their money, and that's loss chasing.

The majority of gamblers get addicted when they win in their first game, this is the most popular way for anyone to become a gambling addict, someone who have no past gambling experience will probably lose his mind if he wins some few rounds when starting out in gambling.

Both loss chasing and first win are too common as the ways that gamblers get addicted to gambling, instead of accepting that you are throwing money away and make it harder for the house to win over you, people instead choose to run after how much they can make.

I agree with most of these statements. Another thing that contributes to the gambling addiction is a variation of the "sunk cost fallacy" or when a gambler starts "chasing loses". The gambler loses a big amount and he believes that luck will somehow return to him and he will magically get back all his loses and even get some profits. This is pretty close to delusional behavior.
I've always wondered why lottery is being called "a tax for the stupid" while nobody is calling gambling a "tax for the stupid".
Maybe gambling should be called "tax for the delusional". That doesn't mean that I'm anti-gambling. Gambling games exist for centuries and they will never cease to exist. The people should play gambling games, if they find fun and excitement, but they should gamble moderately and with caution.

From a former gambling addict perspective ? i completely agreed with his Analogy because for how many losses i've experienced  I now understand that gambling is not a place where people can become rich(of course there are some lucky one) instead this is the place where operators and owners going to rich one way , the design of each game is favoring the creator/provider and never the player/depositor .
I may be wrong for others but for me? it is perfectly delivered and explained .

The link leads to a page with YouTube videos, and OP requested that we read the transcript. If you want to watch instead of reading you can start watching from 1:33 where Andreas talks exactly what OP wants us to read. His opinion on gambling is correct; the amount we lose is the price for temporary fun. Gambling provides a thrilling experience whether you win or lose, and that's the temporary fun he's talking about.

It’s a good thing then that you’ve seen the error of your ways and have made some positive changes. Most addicts do not have their eyes open to the reality that they’re addicts and would get angry and confrontational at anyone who is close enough to tell them the truth.
You’ve opened your mind to actually having a gambling problem and that’s when you became open to changing your lifestyle. Gambling may for a large part be a game of luck but there is certainly strategy and discipline involved.

I think most gamblers knew what is money and fun in gambling, its just that some tend to forget the purpose why they gamble because they think they could eventually win. These people are what the OP was talking about who don't fully understand the mathematics of probability in gambling. A regular gambler won't gonna win back everything he lose since day 1 in the long run 99% of the time. He might be able to hit a huge win but that won't still be enough to cover all the funds he lost, plus it will eventually going to lose it again anyway just as the cycle of gambling will continue.

Uhmm IMO, gambling is what makes a gambling addict happy because that is the remedy of their urges. Just think of a person who got addicted with other things too and also just like what you've said on your last statement "their life will seem empty and lonely" if they can't feed their gambling urges, so that's basically being unhappy right?