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Gambling addiction always depends on psychological factors. There may be several of them, ranging from the inability to manage money to the inability to regulate your excitement and stop in time, ending with a feeling of loneliness and weak self-esteem. When a person wins, he feels significant, and an erroneous judgment is given about the importance of material well-being above all human principles. Some statistics say that less than 5 percent of gambling addicts are aware of the level of risk of their condition, and also that the percentage of recovered gambling addicts is very small since the treatment of this addiction is a long process that only a few agree to.
It is not really that surprising, during my life I have met a few people that were addicted and that recovered and they told me it was the most difficult thing ever, and it is not difficult for me to believe them, as their body and their minds are telling them they need to do something to satisfy the inner cravings they have and they have to overcome those feelings through their sheer will, and this should make apparent the need to never go through that path, as if you do, there is no way to know if you will ever be able to leave it behind.
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Gambling addiction is started from an uncontrolable emotional excited where one has stood to be lucky winning at most occasions of his gambling. So he could have the believe that everyone would always be his lucky days so all his time, energies and funds are channelled over to the gambling because its been a flexible means to make quick money. At this point, the gambler is believed that gambling is a source of income and he could just rely on it.

Can also be as that circumstances one has been unlucky to take winning in the gambling table and all he would wanted further is not about making income in the gambling anymore but to recover all that he has lost and then he may quit gambling totally which such possibilities maybe impossible.
Even if things get to turn around that he began to count little winnings, the impression would trigger him get lost of himself and so he would just want to bet and gamble exceedingly.

These are just how the gamblers additions is instigated and gradually nurtured til it is matured to inability to let go or not acts according to its normal nature being as usual.
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Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.
Lucky or not, entertainment or a source of income, it will always depends on us on how gambling works for us or what is our understanding about gambling itself. Gambling will tell us who we really are. Gambling teaches us lessons we need to improve. A tactical guy once said "awareness buys you time and time buys you options". It clearly means in gambling that if we are aware about addiction, we still have time to react. Things can be settled before it get worst.
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Gambling addiction always depends on psychological factors. There may be several of them, ranging from the inability to manage money to the inability to regulate your excitement and stop in time, ending with a feeling of loneliness and weak self-esteem. When a person wins, he feels significant, and an erroneous judgment is given about the importance of material well-being above all human principles. Some statistics say that less than 5 percent of gambling addicts are aware of the level of risk of their condition, and also that the percentage of recovered gambling addicts is very small since the treatment of this addiction is a long process that only a few agree to.
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Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.

To an extent, I agree with him. Although the luck part can not be swept under the carpet.

To gamble, you have to make up your mind that there are high chances of funds being lost, but in the case where you win, you will understand that luck actually has its own place in the entire process.
Expecting to win every gamble will draw you close to addiction, if you can stay away from it, then do but if you can't, ensure you have rules you adhere strictly to that will keep you off being wrecked.
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I support some of the opinions of people here who say that gambling addiction is actually caused by excessive dopamine, whereas excess of anything causes bad things.
I mean when a gambler cannot control himself to control a mindset that is not too focused on gambling, dopamine certainly will not increase to a greater extent and some of the real supporting factors for me that can make a gambler addicted are just money.

we bet using money and we lose because of money and win also because of money. so the main factor is indeed dopamine and the supporting factor is money which might make us feel loss or pleasure when we win.

so I often say gamble and value whatever money you have to avoid increasing the hormone dopamine in the brain.
Dopamine or not, it would really be that reall hard to resist once you do have able to feel out such emotion towards gambling on which on the time that you are experiencing that kind of fun plus having that intent
on making easy money then this would be the best combo that could really push you on playing up further on which it is really one of the main reasons on why people do really get addicted
just because of those kind of intents that they are really that molding up into their minds and wont really be stopping until they would really be that able to commit or reach out
such goal into their mind.

Self control and moderation would really be entirely be totally different on each person or individual on which there are ones who could be able to manage themselves
and there are ones who do really fail on doing so. This is why we do see different outcomes and situations when it comes to this on where
there are people who do able to stop and there are ones who had messed up their lives because of gambling.
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Keyword: "dopamine"

I must say that once again it is a #TBT type topic.

Gambling is entertainment before anything else, and this activity happens with many other things, drinking, traveling, shopping, and a long etcetera.  Then the issue of addiction becomes consistent in the causes and solutions.

That is, there are symptomatic and asymptomatic individuals, regardless of what leads us to be consistent in our bets, after that, if one falls into uncontrolled dependence depending on what situation is in their control, that is, their dependence on symptoms It determines whether you are a hopeless addict or a person who can control their habits with therapy.

With this, it is important to highlight that it is "normal" to fall into dependence on the game, since in such circumstances those who are asymptomatic manage to get out of bad habits and even leave the game completely, but those who suffer from symptomatic cannot, hence they do an addict.

That is, unlike other addictions such as cigarettes, drugs, and alcoholic beverages, which are a metabolic source of this effect, gambling generates it naturally, it is emotional.

Therefore, as I have always mentioned, the best initial bet you can make is to pay for a consultation with a specialist who will determine how likely you are to be a gambling addict.
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When we become addicted to gambling it is very likely that we realize that we are becoming addicted to gambling. After becoming addicted to gambling we always want to gamble and we cannot stay away from gambling even if we want to. I am speaking from my side after I got addicted to gambling when I lost one gambling game after another I just thought why am I not giving up this game. I didn't try not like I tried so hard that I wouldn't gamble but I couldn't control myself. When one gambling game after another I lost and lost money then I thought I will quit from now on but after some time I again managed money somehow and I gambled again and lost money. In this way I was able to stop myself from gambling for a while and I was able to come out of that addiction.
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Gambling addiction begins when we return to gambling more frequently because we find something that makes us interested in using it. When you gamble for the first time, maybe it won't have any impact on you, but after you finish gambling, whatever the result, maybe you will think about it again after a few hours so you will start looking for time to play it again. This will repeat itself over and over again until we don't notice it because we can enjoy it. When we win, it will make us even more curious about getting bigger wins. But when we lose, we become curious again and want to recover from that defeat another time. And so the gambling addiction begins so that you will continue to return more often than before with different goals than when you first started gambling.
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I have never experienced an addiction, it's just that I have been quite active in playing and always think about spending time at online casinos every day and every result I get is quite disturbing because my brain is always thinking about the game, but what makes me play often is because I want to continue earning, if today's fails, I will think that tomorrow is the time to make money and cover previous losses and so on until I realize that gambling is not a place to make money and this is just an activity that must be realized to get pleasure so that the money used is what we can afford to lose, more than that will bring people are addicted.
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It's interesting to see some people's analysis of dopamine in the gambling area here,

The operating principles that I basically understand bring comfort, excitement, joy,... and they will react like a series of equations that require the conditions under which we operate to satisfy us. And with gambling, perhaps it's the greed for money, it feels as if we get everything from gambling, but the slaps that follow are losses. Perhaps when the addict has become dependent on doing that activity, they do not have much awareness to assess the level of the problem. Only to the point where the destruction is big enough for them to realize their mistake, but sometimes things are too late for them to save, and many bad stories in life follow that scenario.
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I support some of the opinions of people here who say that gambling addiction is actually caused by excessive dopamine, whereas excess of anything causes bad things.
I mean when a gambler cannot control himself to control a mindset that is not too focused on gambling, dopamine certainly will not increase to a greater extent and some of the real supporting factors for me that can make a gambler addicted are just money.

we bet using money and we lose because of money and win also because of money. so the main factor is indeed dopamine and the supporting factor is money which might make us feel loss or pleasure when we win.

so I often say gamble and value whatever money you have to avoid increasing the hormone dopamine in the brain.
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The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.
If gamblers will think about how many times they have lost and compare it to the number of times they have won, and also the amount they have used gambling which they lost with the amount they have won, it will help them to make the resolve to strike a balance with the amount of money to gamble with and the number of time they will be gambling in a day or week, so that they do not lose so much money. Maintaining a balance is important to stay in control and addiction free from gambling.
That's when monitoring is a must. I mean, as a responsible gambler, I think it is important to monitor or record every game or bet you make, the expense, and the win or loss. Many gamblers play only without worrying about their balance until they see it when it reaches zero balances, which will make them eager to recover the loss, and that's when what the OP says about how many gamblers ended up being led to their addiction. So it is very important to be wary and responsible about your account balance before engaging in gambling, because without awareness of your balance or ignoring it, it will make your fun into misery and far worse.

That's why gamblers, or those who want to try gambling out of curiosity and to have fun, should first practice self-control and money management to become aware of their expenses and to limit themselves if needed.
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The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.
If gamblers will think about how many times they have lost and compare it to the number of times they have won, and also the amount they have used gambling which they lost with the amount they have won, it will help them to make the resolve to strike a balance with the amount of money to gamble with and the number of time they will be gambling in a day or week, so that they do not lose so much money. Maintaining a balance is important to stay in control and addiction free from gambling.
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That's why whether we like it or not, gambling is designed to make the gambler lose and the gambling operator win. That's the basic rule in gambling. There's the jackpot, however, and most people find it worth trying to win. But that proverbial jackpot is only hit very seldom. Luck is the word. And luck is unreliable. You simply can't rely on it to make money. So whenever one gambles he/she better have fun. Otherwise, gambling isn't worth it.
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Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.
I highly agree with Andreas Analogy, it is not simply his own analogy but it is based on research of human behavior.  His explanation is backed by sciennce and intensive research on how people get addicted to gambling.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.

I suppose this process is happening to every one. Just look at how many replies on different threads that gambling is for entertainment.  This simply meet the condition of  "I am paying a fee for temporary fun.". even with those who are playing for fun, it also triggers the next responses Andreas explained.
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I have come to realize that gambling is remotely fun when you're not winning. You will have to get a lot of wins in order to get the thrill and the dopamine from it. That's why I think a lot of beginner gamblers win - it's for them to get lured and be caught off guard by the system to gamble more and win more. Once that's established, the gambler will then have the choice to decide if gambling is worth it or not. If they only play for entertainment, great. If not, then there will be a problem eventually, for sure.

Yes, you would have to play and win for you to get some thrill but I think there could also be fun also when winning. And I agree with your opinion on beginners getting lured and sucked into the world of gambling with their first win. That win could motivate just anyone to play more.
For some who choose to indulge in gambling as a means of making an income,  this is the point where their money problems begins. While for others who simply play purely for entertainment purposes are quite safe. Sadly, a whole lot of people have and continuously do gamble in a bid to earn some extra income.
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What that start gambling addiction is not about people that do not understand probability. When I was addicted, I understood everything and how I can lose, but I want to earn and make daily income from gambling. I thought I was better and looking for ways to earn money from it, but at the end, it was not a good story at all and I had to quit gambling for a year. This makes me think that others that are addicted is because they want to make money from gambling, looking for different strategies to increase the probability to earn than lose as I did when I was addicted but still nothing worked out as planned but losing money frequently.

Didn't you find it difficult to recover or get out of the addiction situation that you had when you were addicted to gambling in cryptocurrency? It's good that you overcame these circumstances to get out of this situation.

And probably by now, even if you gamble, you maximize what you do, and you do it as a responsible gambler in the crypto space. Because in reality, once a gambler starts to become an addict, it's really hard to get rid of it. For sure, you had strong determination and dedication in that matter, so you managed the problem of gambling addiction. You made a good decision.
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Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.

I agree with him.

The problem of gambling stems from the hope that it can potentially give to a certain player. The best example here are slots where you can see dozens of slot machines, each having a significant amount of a grand prize worth millions of dollars respectively. In the eyes of a gambler, this is an opportunity where they can potentially win. Whenever they lose, they think that by gambling again, they can recover their losses.

I just really hope that people should start listening more about the horrors of gambling. It is already the 20th century yet people are still addicted to it. Even if all the resources are available, people still fall victim to gambling, which is very unfortunate.
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I have come to realize that gambling is remotely fun when you're not winning. You will have to get a lot of wins in order to get the thrill and the dopamine from it. That's why I think a lot of beginner gamblers win - it's for them to get lured and be caught off guard by the system to gamble more and win more. Once that's established, the gambler will then have the choice to decide if gambling is worth it or not. If they only play for entertainment, great. If not, then there will be a problem eventually, for sure.

Just like most games, gambling is indeed entertaining and with money involved, it is more thrilling.
To be addicted here is no surprise. Just compare it to how you can easily be addicted with some simple games.
There is no complex reason on this aspect. So even if we don't know such analogy it is quite easy to understand this behavior.
So there may be no perfect analogy explaining the behavior behind such addiction but in my opinion, it is not difficult to explain.
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