Do You Trust In-House Casino Competition? (Wager/Multiplier/Raffle)

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Quote from: tygeade on March 18, 2021, 08:56:38 AM

I do not trust any shady casino for anything, and I trust any good casino with everything. It is not about in-house competition or anything else, if I trust the place enough to gamble there that means I trust them enough with the in house things that they do as well, if there is a place where I do not trust the in house competitions that means I do not trust them with my money and wouldn't gamble there neither.

What is the point of trusting a place enough to gamble there whenever I want and not trust the same place when they do in house competition? There is really nothing that would be different there, you have to trust both or neither.

This is a reasonable position - if a casino is suspicious, then its individual offers/promotions will also always be under suspicion. As for whether it is worth avoiding such casinos, yes. But sometimes participation in promotions is free, in which case you can try your luck.

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Quote from: tygeade on March 18, 2021, 08:56:38 AM

I do not trust any shady casino for anything, and I trust any good casino with everything. It is not about in-house competition or anything else, if I trust the place enough to gamble there that means I trust them enough with the in house things that they do as well, if there is a place where I do not trust the in house competitions that means I do not trust them with my money and wouldn't gamble there neither.

What is the point of trusting a place enough to gamble there whenever I want and not trust the same place when they do in house competition? There is really nothing that would be different there, you have to trust both or neither.

This makes sense, it is because of this that when you want to try a new casino you need to do your due diligence, looking a review here and there is not enough, look for their ANN thread and see if there are any scam accusations in the forum against the casino and see if there are grounds for those complains, also make sure the casino has good customer service and quick withdrawals, if a casino has all of this then it is way more likely the competitions they offer and the rewards associated with it are legitimate.

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I do not trust any shady casino for anything, and I trust any good casino with everything. It is not about in-house competition or anything else, if I trust the place enough to gamble there that means I trust them enough with the in house things that they do as well, if there is a place where I do not trust the in house competitions that means I do not trust them with my money and wouldn't gamble there neither.

What is the point of trusting a place enough to gamble there whenever I want and not trust the same place when they do in house competition? There is really nothing that would be different there, you have to trust both or neither.

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Quote from: Twentyonepaylots on March 13, 2021, 07:37:55 PM

Nothing actually. Only the integrity of the owners which is questionable since they set up a gambling site in the first place. Then again if you think your favorite casino is trying to pull a fast one on you, I guess it's best to find another that you could wholeheartedly trust, be it in rewards or in-house competitions.

If you were thinking that your casino is going to pull a fast one then you know that they don't have a good reputation and you shouldn't be playing there in the first place, I believe that there is no compromise to that because you wouldn't be a patron of that casino if it has a bad reputation in the first place. In short, if you are a patron of that casino then you don't have to worry that they are going to do a fast one with their In-House Competitions.

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Quote from: KTChampions on March 12, 2021, 06:57:06 PM

Quote from: dunfida on March 12, 2021, 05:19:04 PM

Gambling site owners would neither be minding on having a temporal profit out of cheating or would really be minding about making money in long term ones.
So cheating out those competitions would be no point because once the masses or community got caught you then say goodbye into your business
Its true that even with just those typical house edge and methods you would really be definitely profit and thats the word or common saying that
house do always win.

We cant directly tell if they are doing this stuffs in the past and changed up when they get some recognition, no one really knows.

Even if they are not caught cheating, it will be an unprofitable undertaking. The point of bonuses is that in fact, they buy the loyalty of the player, and these bonuses are aimed specifically at the top players. If casino have not "bought" a player, then another casino will buy him, since a large player is a tasty morsel for any establishment. I read stories about how offline casinos paid the (top) players for flights and hotels and made a lot of profit because these gamblers lost much more than these costs.

Some time ago I remember reading that is several times more difficult for a business to win a new customer than to keep an old customer, this means that if any casino is trying to cheat the players from which they obtain the most profits by denying them the bonuses that they told them that they could get this casino very quickly is going to find itself in financial trouble, because those players are going to leave and they are going to move to another casino that actually gives them bonuses and that cares about them, so while it is entirely possible that casinos are trying to cheat their players in this way at the end of the day it is going to be counterproductive for them.

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Nothing actually. Only the integrity of the owners which is questionable since they set up a gambling site in the first place. Then again if you think your favorite casino is trying to pull a fast one on you, I guess it's best to find another that you could wholeheartedly trust, be it in rewards or in-house competitions.

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Quote from: KTChampions on March 12, 2021, 06:57:06 PM

Quote from: dunfida on March 12, 2021, 05:19:04 PM

Gambling site owners would neither be minding on having a temporal profit out of cheating or would really be minding about making money in long term ones.
So cheating out those competitions would be no point because once the masses or community got caught you then say goodbye into your business
Its true that even with just those typical house edge and methods you would really be definitely profit and thats the word or common saying that
house do always win.

We cant directly tell if they are doing this stuffs in the past and changed up when they get some recognition, no one really knows.

Even if they are not caught cheating, it will be an unprofitable undertaking. The point of bonuses is that in fact, they buy the loyalty of the player, and these bonuses are aimed specifically at the top players. If casino have not "bought" a player, then another casino will buy him, since a large player is a tasty morsel for any establishment. I read stories about how offline casinos paid the (top) players for flights and hotels and made a lot of profit because these gamblers lost much more than these costs.

You have said on whats happening in reality which i do fully agree.Casinos would really be spending out something or risk to be included on expense because they do know that they can
really benefit from it on longer runs.Getting loyalty from big bettors or whales is something a house do always target on.You are right about unprofitable undertaking and also
it does have corresponding risk because you are really risking out your reputation that you are trying to build.It isnt just on the right mind on doing such.

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Quote from: dunfida on March 12, 2021, 05:19:04 PM

Gambling site owners would neither be minding on having a temporal profit out of cheating or would really be minding about making money in long term ones.
So cheating out those competitions would be no point because once the masses or community got caught you then say goodbye into your business
Its true that even with just those typical house edge and methods you would really be definitely profit and thats the word or common saying that
house do always win.

We cant directly tell if they are doing this stuffs in the past and changed up when they get some recognition, no one really knows.

Even if they are not caught cheating, it will be an unprofitable undertaking. The point of bonuses is that in fact, they buy the loyalty of the player, and these bonuses are aimed specifically at the top players. If casino have not "bought" a player, then another casino will buy him, since a large player is a tasty morsel for any establishment. I read stories about how offline casinos paid the (top) players for flights and hotels and made a lot of profit because these gamblers lost much more than these costs.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on February 25, 2021, 11:12:52 PM

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That's the reason I only participate in competitions published and handled in Bitcointalk. It's easier to verify. Do you also think the same?

Sincerely,
A skeptic guy.

You have good reasons to be sceptic in general, but there are places and places. Some edgy sites, too recent or that want to make just quick profit may try to benefit from such as strategy as fake players, however that eventually drives the customers out. The usual legitimate odds and methods are more than enough to drive the right profit from a betting platform, so for the old and well stablished ones there is no need to cheat.

Gambling site owners would neither be minding on having a temporal profit out of cheating or would really be minding about making money in long term ones.
So cheating out those competitions would be no point because once the masses or community got caught you then say goodbye into your business
Its true that even with just those typical house edge and methods you would really be definitely profit and thats the word or common saying that
house do always win.

We cant directly tell if they are doing this stuffs in the past and changed up when they get some recognition, no one really knows.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on February 25, 2021, 11:12:52 PM

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That's the reason I only participate in competitions published and handled in Bitcointalk. It's easier to verify. Do you also think the same?

Sincerely,
A skeptic guy.

You have good reasons to be sceptic in general, but there are places and places. Some edgy sites, too recent or that want to make just quick profit may try to benefit from such as strategy as fake players, however that eventually drives the customers out. The usual legitimate odds and methods are more than enough to drive the right profit from a betting platform, so for the old and well stablished ones there is no need to cheat.

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Quote from: uneng on March 09, 2021, 06:24:31 PM

The issue is that the community wants to have total privacy and transparency at same time, what is impossible. To verify if a winner is legit you would need his personal ID and his betting history to make sure he isn't a casino's *strawman*. But no one wants to give personal details in public in order to join a competition. The maximum we can have are usernames linked to betting histories (when it is not hidden by the player or casino).
Anyway, the best you can do is to avoid a casino competition when you feel there is some cheating in the air, or just stick with single player games.

At the end this is what it boils down to, we want to retain our privacy and we are within our rights to do so, but when it comes to those competitions the only way to verify if the people at the top of the leaderboards are real people would be with KYC and no one is going to be willing to go through that so at the end the only thing we can do if you want to participate in those competitions is to only do so if you are in a casino you completely trust.

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Quote from: famososMuertos on March 09, 2021, 10:39:22 AM

In a way when casinos start they have bots and even players who test the platform, some even in god mode. It is a very valid question, but there are ways to find out, perhaps the easiest is reputation, some casinos have it because they have been verified and are handled on certain industry standards.

Testing the platform with bots and/or multiple accounts is a very different angle as compared to casino cheating giveaways by faking data and stats. I slightly agree reputation can be a good way to avoid fake giveaways and wager contests but even then we cannot assure if there is cheating going on. It's similar to how some players avoid betting on new casinos because they don't want to get in the hassle of verifying bets and rather go with the reputed ones knowing they won't cheat.

Quote from: famososMuertos on March 09, 2021, 10:39:22 AM

Perhaps it is repetitive in mentioning it, but the answer is as classic as your question about the OP, only use trusted casinos.

I recall a site named dicebitco.in or close to that name used to be very famous before a player found how they were cheating, so every casino is only trusted until they are caught cheating. I am not very actively taking part in wager races so it doesn't concerns me a lot though.

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Quote from: Lordhermes on March 09, 2021, 05:28:21 PM

How about the casino platform that has the option of searching out usernames on the leaderboard, if the user profile exist then it's likely be a true user not a fake one. Also, you can verify it if you know a particular user that play with higher amount of money and wins it, that could also be way of verifying people on the leaderboard, I'm just having a feeling that there could be some ways if verifying those users if they aren't fake at all.

They can just fake the identity behind that player you know, if you are going to cheat then don't go half-assed on it along the way. I do trust in-house competitions because they are in a way make the players play more and have other reason for playing at that casino, I mean if you don't trust it then probably you aren't in that casino in the first place.

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If it is coming from a reputable casino, I wouldn't doubt the competition that they held and the stats that they show. That is why their reputation is for.

About the leaderboards, yes, sometimes it is doubting if they have actually won the prize but I would still trust if that is coming from the very reputed casino. Otherwise, if it is from an unknown casino, it is normal to suspect.

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Quote from: KTChampions on March 05, 2021, 07:05:17 PM

Oh, why does a casino have to do this? I don't think they want to be associated in any way with BTT. Plus, how did you get the idea that real people are behind the accounts on BTT? Check out my investigations and how many multi-accounts I found here)
Maybe I misunderstood you, but if not, then your idea is very strange to me.

I guess with a linked account it simply adds an extra layer of difficulty to participate contests and i've noticed that it's somewhat effective at least on stake's forum as there's a lot of forum accounts that got banned there.

Quote from: Lordhermes on March 09, 2021, 05:28:21 PM

How about the casino platform that has the option of searching out usernames on the leaderboard, if the user profile exist then it's likely be a true user not a fake one. Also, you can verify it if you know a particular user that play with higher amount of money and wins it, that could also be way of verifying people on the leaderboard, I'm just having a feeling that there could be some ways if verifying those users if they aren't fake at all.

I think that's similar to what mu_enrico just mentioned above, even if every participant in the contest did have an actual profile it's still not enough proof to determine that they're unique from one another.

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The issue is that the community wants to have total privacy and transparency at same time, what is impossible. To verify if a winner is legit you would need his personal ID and his betting history to make sure he isn't a casino's *strawman*. But no one wants to give personal details in public in order to join a competition. The maximum we can have are usernames linked to betting histories (when it is not hidden by the player or casino).
Anyway, the best you can do is to avoid a casino competition when you feel there is some cheating in the air, or just stick with single player games.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on February 25, 2021, 11:12:52 PM

Many casinos have leaderboards for a wide range of competition. Is there a way to verify the validity of the users and their scores? What stop the casinos from printing random (fake) users and put that on the leaderboard?

That's the reason I only participate in competitions published and handled in Bitcointalk. It's easier to verify. Do you also think the same?

Sincerely,
A skeptic guy.

Bitcointalk published competition is legit compared to those advertised from social media or other website promotions. We can only relied on that aspects, because it's been supported by many trusted members who also participate with that competition.
In this ways, we can be confident to join and thus other fake users will be eliminated.

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How about the casino platform that has the option of searching out usernames on the leaderboard, if the user profile exist then it's likely be a true user not a fake one. Also, you can verify it if you know a particular user that play with higher amount of money and wins it, that could also be way of verifying people on the leaderboard, I'm just having a feeling that there could be some ways if verifying those users if they aren't fake at all.

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Quote from: famososMuertos on March 09, 2021, 10:39:22 AM

In a way when casinos start they have bots and even players who test the platform, some even in god mode. It is a very valid question, but there are ways to find out, perhaps the easiest is reputation, some casinos have it because they have been verified and are handled on certain industry standards.

Among other things that help to have confidence in a (certain) casino is that these prizes, although they may seem high, most are so profitable that it would be stupid for a so-called serious casino to be involved in such a scam.

Perhaps it is repetitive in mentioning it, but the answer is as classic as your question about the OP, only use trusted casinos.

Only the viable solution for you to take on because there's no other way on verifying out things to be true other than to be an employee on the said gambling site or company and having those information.

Other than that, you cant really find any proofs that they've been cheating.I dont exclude out those reputable ones because i do believe that they are still making out a bit of those kind of shady acts.
This is just in my hunch though but not totally been proven out.

Sticking out with reputable ones is a bit better but doesnt guaranteed out fairness.Just play on where the masses been hanging out and dont mind if those competitions are
fair enough for you to believe on.

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Quote from: KTChampions on March 05, 2021, 07:05:17 PM

Quote from: cabron on March 04, 2021, 10:20:58 PM

You really can't trust anyone unless there is a real name or account behind every user in the leaderboard. I feel the same with the exchange trading competition, I have joined several times and although I'm not really hoping to win, I just notice the top usernames do not resemble any real name.

If they connect the Bitcointalk account to the account on bitcointalk I guess that's something transparent. I think stake.com has this kind of system in which users in their stake.com forum are connected to their casino account.

Oh, why does a casino have to do this? I don't think they want to be associated in any way with BTT. Plus, how did you get the idea that real people are behind the accounts on BTT? Check out my investigations and how many multi-accounts I found here)
Maybe I misunderstood you, but if not, then your idea is very strange to me.

On the contrary,,, I think a lot of people in the casino industry would love to associate their players with a secondary source of identity without KYC. And if it is an active and old forum user here, then it is more likely to be a real player they do not have to ask for ID documents from. That is just my personal opinion though,,, and as you say it is not a guarantee of real identity but it is one extra step towards it:)

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