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So after reading you guys' comments, it's almost all talk about reputation. About how reputable/trusted casinos won't risk their reputation for a small amount of money. Yeah, it sounds logical, but not enough for a skeptic mind.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on February 25, 2021, 10:12:52 PM

That's the reason I only participate in competitions published and handled in Bitcointalk. It's easier to verify. Do you also think the same?

like this one https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5310518 ( Bitcointalk poker series #2 hosted by Betnomi ) ? because there are also gambling sites posted on bitcointalk that have a competition but not organized in a way like the one i used in the example but the one that i used as sample can still be possible cheated .

Of course, it can be cheated (remember the massive alts discovery by Nutildah?), but at least by utilizing Bitcointalk, there will be less Sybil attack. And the culprit can be caught.

I'll let this thread open for a few more days to get more ideas (if any) about how to determine if the in-house contest rigged or not. The wager one is more obvious since often in just a few hours before it closed, whales start to rekt the leaderboard.

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There isn't technically anything stopping them from making fakes in their in-house raffles and such but I think that they wouldn't risk the house with such petty tricks, I think that we can trust the house doing this kind of thing if we were to look at their reputation which lies in between bad and good, if they lie near bad reputation then you know that you can't trust them but if they are on the opposite then they might be able to pull off this kind of petty tricks because they have a rich clientele and they want to make sure that they can trick them.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on February 25, 2021, 10:12:52 PM

Is there a way to verify the validity of the users and their scores?

you can click the players bet and thats how you verify it

Quote from: mu_enrico on February 25, 2021, 10:12:52 PM

What stop the casinos from printing random (fake) users and put that on the leaderboard?

if the casino is trusted they wont do such things because they want a fair play for every gamblers and to make the game competitive the way it was mean to . if a casino is not trusted they are cases that they are going to create thier own players and they wont stop because they are corrupt and want to secure the prizes that they showcased .

Quote from: mu_enrico on February 25, 2021, 10:12:52 PM

That's the reason I only participate in competitions published and handled in Bitcointalk. It's easier to verify. Do you also think the same?

like this one https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5310518 ( Bitcointalk poker series #2 hosted by Betnomi ) ? because there are also gambling sites posted on bitcointalk that have a competition but not organized in a way like the one i used in the example but the one that i used as sample can still be possible cheated .

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Quote from: mu_enrico on February 25, 2021, 10:12:52 PM

Many casinos have leaderboards for a wide range of competition. Is there a way to verify the validity of the users and their scores? What stop the casinos from printing random (fake) users and put that on the leaderboard?

That's the reason I only participate in competitions published and handled in Bitcointalk. It's easier to verify. Do you also think the same?

I don't think users will be comfortable if they will see their names on the leaderboard with their respective details in such a way that it will be considered as proof that they are real humans.

I also feel the same way but since there is no way we can check or verify the validity of these users on the top of the leaderboard, I will just put my trust in that website but not on those unpopular sites.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on February 25, 2021, 10:12:52 PM

Many casinos have leaderboards for a wide range of competition. Is there a way to verify the validity of the users and their scores? What stop the casinos from printing random (fake) users and put that on the leaderboard?

That's the reason I only participate in competitions published and handled in Bitcointalk. It's easier to verify. Do you also think the same?

Sincerely,
A skeptic guy.

Yeah, they can do that, for example in Dice, they know server seeds and can manipulate the results. I remember Bitsler wanted to implement an option where people would invest money into bankroll but they changed their money because of that reason, it's possible to manipulate the results (win/loss).

It all comes down to how you trust the casino where you are playing. It doesn't worth for reputable casinos to cheat their customers because financial pros can't outweigh the cons that it will bring to their reputation. Bad reputation = a few players and a few players = less profit.

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Quote from: Becky666 on February 28, 2021, 09:18:51 AM

Quote from: mu_enrico on February 25, 2021, 10:12:52 PM

Many casinos have leaderboards for a wide range of competition. Is there a way to verify the validity of the users and their scores? What stop the casinos from printing random (fake) users and put that on the leaderboard?

Basically, no-one can very such leader-board nor their in-house competition becasue what they do wholly are just within. Have entered into different competitions that i presumed to be manipulated by the house but at the end there wasn't a means to verify the results. From that day onward, i repented from participating into such competition becasue they are not verifiable and fake are much just to collect your little pay as for ticket.

Actually had that kind of impression not only just because im a small time player but i dont really have the interest on joining those even if i do have the money.

There's no way to verify into those winners because you wont really able to know if those are legit players or not and majority of people would really have the same
impression towards those competitions.

Its just really obvious since this is part of their promotions.Its good if they are really fair when it comes to winners and not part of theirs.
With any competitions or promotions i dont really pay much attention to it.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on February 25, 2021, 10:12:52 PM

Many casinos have leaderboards for a wide range of competition. Is there a way to verify the validity of the users and their scores? What stop the casinos from printing random (fake) users and put that on the leaderboard?

Basically, no-one can very such leader-board nor their in-house competition becasue what they do wholly are just within. Have entered into different competitions that i presumed to be manipulated by the house but at the end there wasn't a means to verify the results. From that day onward, i repented from participating into such competition becasue they are not verifiable and fake are much just to collect your little pay as for ticket.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on February 25, 2021, 10:12:52 PM

Many casinos have leaderboards for a wide range of competition. Is there a way to verify the validity of the users and their scores? What stop the casinos from printing random (fake) users and put that on the leaderboard?

This was actually a legit question. The obvious answer is… We can't actually verify the validity of these competitions. The only thing we can do is trust the organizers. Who's putting on the event, who's rating the games, etc.
Once someone wins an event it's up to the organizer to verify that this person won fair and square.

I think, that any site doing this will actually create more losses than gains for themselves. All casinos have house-edge and the more the wager, more is the profit of the casinos, these races are designed to make sure people wager with maximum capacity trying to defeat the other players and grab a prize, and unless and until that prize is really so huge, I think it makes sense for the casino to simply let unique (and not fake) players to gamble their money for trying to get the prize along with that it will also establish a good-faith and good-will for the company.

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Quote from: Hippocrypto on February 26, 2021, 03:56:19 PM

Quote from: uneng on February 26, 2021, 01:04:19 PM

Well if an user is at leaderboard top positions there must be someway to proove that, maybe through his account's statistics?
I think a casino can't fake this kind of competition for too long, because the real big players will start doubting, questioning and complaining about the results, what will lead a wave of suspiciousness among other gamblers, prejudicing future competitions and the casino itself. So there is no point for a casino who wants to be reputable and to operate for a long time to practice such actions.

Probably, this scenario about faking would only exist for non reputable casino who's going to scam every gamblers who fall into their promotional traps. If you're smart enough to determine their modus, then don't trust on their mode of set play and it's in the first place they'll be suspicious once complains started to burst out from random players who experience some disappointing experience.

As for me, things will depend on the gambling casino that we're using. Nonreputable gambling sites will surely fake their leaderboard just to attract more players. However, good casinors are actually showing off real data based on real-time records of players. It's still up to us if we'll get tricked by casinos that are faking their data that's why we should always be wise and learn how to check the reputation of every casino.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on February 25, 2021, 10:12:52 PM

Many casinos have leaderboards for a wide range of competition. Is there a way to verify the validity of the users and their scores? What stop the casinos from printing random (fake) users and put that on the leaderboard?

This was actually a legit question. The obvious answer is… We can't actually verify the validity of these competitions. The only thing we can do is trust the organizers. Who's putting on the event, who's rating the games, etc.
Once someone wins an event it's up to the organizer to verify that this person won fair and square.

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Quote from: Natsuu on February 28, 2021, 03:37:33 AM

Quote from: janggernaut on February 26, 2021, 07:40:55 AM

Different when we are talking about wager, biggest profit, race and other contests, all of these contest could be manipulated (especially when the time of contest is near end).

Could be, but I don't see casinos to do it, as what the OP is, gamblers are very skeptic in this kind of things. Gamblers tend to keep a close eyes on things they anticipated to win, so if the competition have been painted with other colors, there is a high chance of gamblers to notice it very quick. Aside from being skeptic, being friendly is also part of a gamblers attitude, so it is natural that this gamblers pretty much know who are they competing to.

Of course we didn't see it as it's being manipulated by a site. Did you ever see wager contest before? When the contest near ended, there are few new accounts appear and then make huge bet to reach top position in wager contest. With that way, that site don't need to pay more to the winner

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It didn't cross my mind if there was something like about random user printing to place them on the leaderboard but yeah, it could just be for a trigger. But honestly, I never really thought it existed because well, so far I've only participated in competitions where at least there is a noticeboard or something here on the gambling board. Therefore, I never thought there was such a thing as random user printing, because so far in the competitions I participated in at least I still got prizes even though I didn't always win first place, but with me receiving real prizes I assumed the users who were on the leaderboard were real users.

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Well, you can verify many of the races and players by simply seeing their most recent bets and verify if they are real bets or not. But your limit is only upto that, because you can't really verify if the users are from the casino itself or not, because in that case you are right, you are most likely being cheated. It's a very important point you have made which I haven't thought about earlier, sites can simply create users and play to make other people losers in races haha. I never really participate in races, because the prize always is lower than what I lose during the wager Tongue

so yeah, it's best to avoid it unless you have huge money and want to lose some of it just for a little bit of thrill Tongue

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Quote from: janggernaut on February 26, 2021, 07:40:55 AM

Different when we are talking about wager, biggest profit, race and other contests, all of these contest could be manipulated (especially when the time of contest is near end).

Could be, but I don't see casinos to do it, as what the OP is, gamblers are very skeptic in this kind of things. Gamblers tend to keep a close eyes on things they anticipated to win, so if the competition have been painted with other colors, there is a high chance of gamblers to notice it very quick. Aside from being skeptic, being friendly is also part of a gamblers attitude, so it is natural that this gamblers pretty much know who are they competing to.

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Many cryptocurrency exchanges fake their trading volume, are involved in wash trading, and other illicit practices to make it seem that they are bigger and more important than they really are. Your question makes sense and it is possible that such malpractices are happening on gambling sites as well. The funds exchanges hold aren't transparent. You can't verify which player holds what and who gets paid how much.

It is certainly possible that the developers and casino operators can create accounts, fund those accounts from the money pool, and participate in competitions. This is not an accusation, just a statement on what could theoretically happen.

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Quote from: swogerino on February 26, 2021, 04:05:25 AM

I only take part in Sportsbet.io tournament competitions as I only play there.I tend to believe there are no faked names because as long as people are taking part in slots tournaments they are using money and the company in the end will only share part of this money to the top 5 players who wagered the most.There is no reason for a big casino why they would want to put random fake names in these competitions as there is nothing to be gained from this.

I also took part in the sportsbet.io American Hero streak challenge where we had to make bets on NBA and other sports and win the most consecutive bets to get the prize. I never managed to win the 1st prize but I do got free bet, I trust them but that doesn't deny the point that they can easily cheat if they want and even the usernames are hidden for user privacy. Don't mistake me, I really trust sportsbet.io a lot and would never associate them with such frauds.

Quote from: imstillthebest on February 26, 2021, 05:05:03 AM

my way of verifying is if the high roller in the leaderboard competition is not hidden and the another one is if he is active chatting in the public chat of a gambling site .

Yeah, but for example at stake.com there is a player who has the highest VIP level, GDLE but I never saw him in chat or anywhere and he even won the raffle draw of Lambo so I am not saying stake cheated or anything like that because everyone was given a ticket before announcement of the winning number and winner was chosen by google random number generator but the point remains the same that how do we know if such a player actually exist and not just a dummy account.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on February 25, 2021, 10:12:52 PM

Many casinos have leaderboards for a wide range of competition. Is there a way to verify the validity of the users and their scores? What stop the casinos from printing random (fake) users and put that on the leaderboard?

That's the reason I only participate in competitions published and handled in Bitcointalk. It's easier to verify. Do you also think the same?

Sincerely,
A skeptic guy.

If we are honest there is no way to verify these results and the casino could easily cheat their customers by creating fake accounts or by giving the prize from those competitions to insiders that work on the casino, however I do not think we need to get that paranoid, if the casino in which you are playing has a good reputation and it prides itself in serving their customers to their best of their ability then I think it is fair to say it is unlikely a casino like that would cheat their customers.

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Quote from: KTChampions on February 27, 2021, 04:58:56 PM

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If it's a wager competition then I won't participate since I am a small gambler so wager competition is out of my hands unless it is another competition that is not based on wager then I'll be gladly to join to try my chance on winning the competition rather than gambling for fun and not taking chances on competition that does not take a lot of money to have a chance to win. Putting fake top participants on leaderboard have consequences and one of it is trust or reputation.

That is why it is extremely unlikely that at least someone does this. The savings from such actions are minimal and the loss is fatal. The casino actually exists because of its reputation, if it is lost then the players will avoid it and this business will fail. I doubt anyone would risk losing their existing business trying to save a couple thousand dollars.

Well, I can't imagine this kind of cheating from casinos while I am a very active player of poker before. It perhaps also possible that the one who I played is one of their team, it is a ^[bogus] type of fraud. It is really hard to determine that truth if there is a possible bias that happens inside the competition. But perhaps, reputable gambling sites did not do this since they don't want to ruin their reputation. I don't know how it works and how to verify but if you will trust the gambling site and I think there is nothing you can do if they are cheating on you.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on February 25, 2021, 10:12:52 PM

Many casinos have leaderboards for a wide range of competition. Is there a way to verify the validity of the users and their scores? What stop the casinos from printing random (fake) users and put that on the leaderboard?

That's the reason I only participate in competitions published and handled in Bitcointalk. It's easier to verify. Do you also think the same?

Sincerely,
A skeptic guy.

Possibly could happen because there's no way that you can really verify if those players are real ones or just part of the team to rip off those prizes go back to the house itself
and deceived out those real players to play to catch up with the rankings.This is really happening and im aint excludning those popular or know ones because they can still ahve
that kind of probability that it might happen.When it comes to transparency of tournaments then it would be still on doubt when it comes to outcome.
Events on bitcointalk or being held on this place? I would also prefer this one than to those typical ones.

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Quote from: nakamura12 on February 27, 2021, 02:13:41 PM

If it's a wager competition then I won't participate since I am a small gambler so wager competition is out of my hands unless it is another competition that is not based on wager then I'll be gladly to join to try my chance on winning the competition rather than gambling for fun and not taking chances on competition that does not take a lot of money to have a chance to win. Putting fake top participants on leaderboard have consequences and one of it is trust or reputation.

That is why it is extremely unlikely that at least someone does this. The savings from such actions are minimal and the loss is fatal. The casino actually exists because of its reputation, if it is lost then the players will avoid it and this business will fail. I doubt anyone would risk losing their existing business trying to save a couple thousand dollars.

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