In a way when casinos start they have bots and even players who test the platform, some even in god mode. It is a very valid question, but there are ways to find out, perhaps the easiest is reputation, some casinos have it because they have been verified and are handled on certain industry standards.
Among other things that help to have confidence in a (certain) casino is that these prizes, although they may seem high, most are so profitable that it would be stupid for a so-called serious casino to be involved in such a scam.
Perhaps it is repetitive in mentioning it, but the answer is as classic as your question about the OP, only use trusted casinos.
Topic: Do You Trust In-House Casino Competition? (Wager/Multiplier/Raffle) - page 2. (Read 698 times)
March 09, 2021, 09:39:22 AM
March 09, 2021, 08:08:38 AM
You really can't trust anyone unless there is a real name or account behind every user in the leaderboard. I feel the same with the exchange trading competition, I have joined several times and although I'm not really hoping to win, I just notice the top usernames do not resemble any real name.
Even if there is a real name, how do you know they are actually real people? Suppose the leaderboard shows the name Peter, how do you know if Peter actually plays or is just a dummy account to cheat players by placing Peter on the top of the wagering contests. Names and usernames don't matter as much as the reputation of the casino in my opinion because no casinos with a good reputation like PD would risk doing such frauds.If they connect the Bitcointalk account to the account on bitcointalk I guess that's something transparent. I think stake.com has this kind of system in which users in their stake.com forum are connected to their casino account.
Stake allows users to connect their stake forum profile with their stake but that is to facilitate the user with the prizes they win on the forum in the various promotions run by stake. It has nothing to do with fairness or making wager contests more legit. 
March 08, 2021, 05:21:43 AM
So if we remove "reputation" from the equation, there are not many things that can determine fairness. The only practical idea is to observe whether the username was active in the chat or not. That's bad 
So this case is still in the grey area, where there is no way to verify the competition's fairness.
The proposed idea about utilizing Bitcointalk also not perfect, but based on the history, cheaters often got caught as in guess the score on Betnomi or Adskinsbet? (I forgot). You can see also in multiplier competitions that the winners are well-known addicts.
So this case is still in the grey area, where there is no way to verify the competition's fairness.
The proposed idea about utilizing Bitcointalk also not perfect, but based on the history, cheaters often got caught as in guess the score on Betnomi or Adskinsbet? (I forgot). You can see also in multiplier competitions that the winners are well-known addicts.
March 07, 2021, 11:17:41 PM
Different when we are talking about wager, biggest profit, race and other contests, all of these contest could be manipulated (especially when the time of contest is near end).
Could be, but I don't see casinos to do it, as what the OP is, gamblers are very skeptic in this kind of things. Gamblers tend to keep a close eyes on things they anticipated to win, so if the competition have been painted with other colors, there is a high chance of gamblers to notice it very quick. Aside from being skeptic, being friendly is also part of a gamblers attitude, so it is natural that this gamblers pretty much know who are they competing to.
March 05, 2021, 06:18:34 PM
You really can't trust anyone unless there is a real name or account behind every user in the leaderboard. I feel the same with the exchange trading competition, I have joined several times and although I'm not really hoping to win, I just notice the top usernames do not resemble any real name.
If they connect the Bitcointalk account to the account on bitcointalk I guess that's something transparent. I think stake.com has this kind of system in which users in their stake.com forum are connected to their casino account.
Oh, why does a casino have to do this? I don't think they want to be associated in any way with BTT. Plus, how did you get the idea that real people are behind the accounts on BTT? Check out my investigations and how many multi-accounts I found here)
Maybe I misunderstood you, but if not, then your idea is very strange to me.
March 05, 2021, 06:05:17 PM
You really can't trust anyone unless there is a real name or account behind every user in the leaderboard. I feel the same with the exchange trading competition, I have joined several times and although I'm not really hoping to win, I just notice the top usernames do not resemble any real name.
If they connect the Bitcointalk account to the account on bitcointalk I guess that's something transparent. I think stake.com has this kind of system in which users in their stake.com forum are connected to their casino account.
Oh, why does a casino have to do this? I don't think they want to be associated in any way with BTT. Plus, how did you get the idea that real people are behind the accounts on BTT? Check out my investigations and how many multi-accounts I found here)
Maybe I misunderstood you, but if not, then your idea is very strange to me.
March 05, 2021, 04:28:20 PM
You really can't trust anyone unless there is a real name or account behind every user in the leaderboard. I feel the same with the exchange trading competition, I have joined several times and although I'm not really hoping to win, I just notice the top usernames do not resemble any real name.
If they connect the Bitcointalk account to the account on bitcointalk I guess that's something transparent. I think stake.com has this kind of system in which users in their stake.com forum are connected to their casino account.
anytime create one to patch up the hole on getting busted.
I do have always the same impressions when it comes to competition even though you are already on the top rank but on the last minute or hour then suddenly those
names do climb up in the leader board so fast.
I dont have any trust at all thats why i do skip most of competition and promotions out there.
March 04, 2021, 09:20:58 PM
You really can't trust anyone unless there is a real name or account behind every user in the leaderboard. I feel the same with the exchange trading competition, I have joined several times and although I'm not really hoping to win, I just notice the top usernames do not resemble any real name.
If they connect the Bitcointalk account to the account on bitcointalk I guess that's something transparent. I think stake.com has this kind of system in which users in their stake.com forum are connected to their casino account.
March 04, 2021, 09:01:03 PM
Different when we are talking about wager, biggest profit, race and other contests, all of these contest could be manipulated (especially when the time of contest is near end).
Could be, but I don't see casinos to do it, as what the OP is, gamblers are very skeptic in this kind of things. Gamblers tend to keep a close eyes on things they anticipated to win, so if the competition have been painted with other colors, there is a high chance of gamblers to notice it very quick. Aside from being skeptic, being friendly is also part of a gamblers attitude, so it is natural that this gamblers pretty much know who are they competing to.
March 04, 2021, 08:14:21 PM
Different when we are talking about wager, biggest profit, race and other contests, all of these contest could be manipulated (especially when the time of contest is near end).
Could be, but I don't see casinos to do it, as what the OP is, gamblers are very skeptic in this kind of things. Gamblers tend to keep a close eyes on things they anticipated to win, so if the competition have been painted with other colors, there is a high chance of gamblers to notice it very quick. Aside from being skeptic, being friendly is also part of a gamblers attitude, so it is natural that this gamblers pretty much know who are they competing to.
March 04, 2021, 04:56:25 AM
I haven't thought about promotions/competitions that are being run on their site that way. Yes, they can probably put up some random account to win the highest prize and get the award back, but that is up to them. I mean, we wouldn't know, but there's some uneasy feeling that the thought gives. I wouldn't think about it like that if my stats are okay with the leaderboard.
That is why there is no point in making bets to win these competitions, just bet as you normally do and if you get placed in any of the competitions that's just an additional benefit. The prizes in these competitions are usually smaller than the house edge, what I mean to say is you won't get more than 0.01 BTC in most of these competitions by betting less than 1 BTC, assuming the house edge is 1%. I follow some stake betting competitions and last I checked, someone wagered 276 bitcoins and counting to win a prize of approximately 0.026 BTC.It's a no brainer to participate in competitions just because of the prizes because like it's already been talked that there is no guarantee the competitions are fair and even if they are fair, you are getting much less than what you are "expected" to lose by wagering the amounts needed to win the competitions.
On a funny thought, I was thinking if all the players unite and decide that no one will wager for the competition and let only one guy wager 5 USD and win the top prize and then we all share the money haha.
A hundred percent agree with you, especially for wagering competition where high likely the winners are those who do not play for the prize. The prize is just like an additional bonus for them for being active wagering on the site. Expected lose for those winners are always higher than the possible reward they get from the competition. I also do not see any benefits for casinos to put some random fake users on the winners list as high rollers are smart enough how to gambler their money. Only scam sites do such cheating imho.
March 04, 2021, 04:06:29 AM
I haven't thought about promotions/competitions that are being run on their site that way. Yes, they can probably put up some random account to win the highest prize and get the award back, but that is up to them. I mean, we wouldn't know, but there's some uneasy feeling that the thought gives. I wouldn't think about it like that if my stats are okay with the leaderboard.
That is why there is no point in making bets to win these competitions, just bet as you normally do and if you get placed in any of the competitions that's just an additional benefit. The prizes in these competitions are usually smaller than the house edge, what I mean to say is you won't get more than 0.01 BTC in most of these competitions by betting less than 1 BTC, assuming the house edge is 1%. I follow some stake betting competitions and last I checked, someone wagered 276 bitcoins and counting to win a prize of approximately 0.026 BTC.It's a no brainer to participate in competitions just because of the prizes because like it's already been talked that there is no guarantee the competitions are fair and even if they are fair, you are getting much less than what you are "expected" to lose by wagering the amounts needed to win the competitions.
On a funny thought, I was thinking if all the players unite and decide that no one will wager for the competition and let only one guy wager 5 USD and win the top prize and then we all share the money haha.
March 03, 2021, 10:17:54 AM
I believe in indoor casino competition but before that gamblers have to analyze the casino sites well although many gamblers are at the top of the competition casinos have lost their reputation for fraud. It usually depends on the individual how much risk he wants to take in case of competition it is better to pay attention to one's own game and if the situation is bad and the whales are in the market it is better to stay away from now.
In-house competitions are trusted depending on the reputation and the financial wellness of the casino, if they are doing well on both sides, then that means that they do not have any other intention other than to make some publicity and have their public relations go up and they want to attract more customers, if it is otherwise then you have to wary of it because they might rig the game that they are trying to conduct, risk will only come when you have an inkling feeling that the casino is going to cheat you. March 03, 2021, 03:46:51 AM
Basically, no-one can very such leader-board nor their in-house competition becasue what they do wholly are just within. Have entered into different competitions that i presumed to be manipulated by the house but at the end there wasn't a means to verify the results. From that day onward, i repented from participating into such competition becasue they are not verifiable and fake are much just to collect your little pay as for ticket.
I don't think any reputed site will ever rig a wagering contest. I know and fully understand the discussion that since the games in crypto gambling are provably fair, we are also looking at contests and wondering how to make them provably fair as well. I don't participate in many wager contests myself but from what I have seen, most of the players who win or are part of the leaderboard are usually active in the chat which makes me think the contest isn't rigged.A simple solution to such contests is this: Make fixed limits like any player who wagers X amount of money will get Y amount of prize regardless of what others have achieved. This means that the prizes are fixed and cheating is impossible. It kills the fun to race against other players but at least makes it fairer.
March 01, 2021, 10:43:32 PM
I'll let this thread open for a few more days to get more ideas (if any) about how to determine if the in-house contest rigged or not. The wager one is more obvious since often in just a few hours before it closed, whales start to rekt the leaderboard.
This had been always the case or situation happen on a wager competition where even you do secure your spot on the top wont really make any guarantee that you would win the competition because as long it wasnt over then whales can really fucked you up even with the last minute left of the time.
You cant even tell if those are real players or simply on the side with the house.Hard thing on spotting or determining out if they are rigging or cheating it or not.
We can let the casino do that while we can focus on ourselves. I think the casino will do anything that can ruin their reputations, especially if it is one of the trusty casinos that most gamblers know. But a gambler who has a passion for being the number 1 on the leaderboard will try hard to win many times as they want to see their name on that leaderboard. But still, the casino can arrange the name in the leaderboard, so it is hard for them to keep their name in that place. That is why we don't have to try hard to win by playing many times because that will not guarantee us to win.
March 01, 2021, 10:40:03 PM
I've had a few instances in which I doubted certain participants in competitions. I think it is not a matter of trusting or not because whether we like it or not the sites will always do something like this. That's part of marketing and they most probably have a certain budget allocation for it.
They need to always make it appear as though their competitions, raffles, chat boxes, or their entire sites in general are busy with a lot of users or gamblers. I assume many of those users are under the site's payroll. I think that's normal. And we have no way to verify whether they are legit users or just paid to use the sites.
They need to always make it appear as though their competitions, raffles, chat boxes, or their entire sites in general are busy with a lot of users or gamblers. I assume many of those users are under the site's payroll. I think that's normal. And we have no way to verify whether they are legit users or just paid to use the sites.
March 01, 2021, 09:36:41 PM
I haven't thought about promotions/competitions that are being run on their site that way. Yes, they can probably put up some random account to win the highest prize and get the award back, but that is up to them. I mean, we wouldn't know, but there's some uneasy feeling that the thought gives. I wouldn't think about it like that if my stats are okay with the leaderboard.
I agree that it's okay to check out competitions here, so it's transparent. But what's stopping them from creating their account here and posting their results? If that's how you think?
I agree that it's okay to check out competitions here, so it's transparent. But what's stopping them from creating their account here and posting their results? If that's how you think?
March 01, 2021, 01:30:27 PM
So after reading you guys' comments, it's almost all talk about reputation. About how reputable/trusted casinos won't risk their reputation for a small amount of money. Yeah, it sounds logical, but not enough for a skeptic mind.
Of course, it can be cheated (remember the massive alts discovery by Nutildah?), but at least by utilizing Bitcointalk, there will be less Sybil attack. And the culprit can be caught.
I'll let this thread open for a few more days to get more ideas (if any) about how to determine if the in-house contest rigged or not. The wager one is more obvious since often in just a few hours before it closed, whales start to rekt the leaderboard.
I think it will be beneficial for you to check this thread where you'll see the detailed explanation of one example on how casino can cheat you in "provably fair" games: FortuneJack's "Adrenaline" game is not actually provably fair, despite being advertised as suchThat's the reason I only participate in competitions published and handled in Bitcointalk. It's easier to verify. Do you also think the same?
like this one https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5310518 ( Bitcointalk poker series #2 hosted by Betnomi ) ? because there are also gambling sites posted on bitcointalk that have a competition but not organized in a way like the one i used in the example but the one that i used as sample can still be possible cheated . I'll let this thread open for a few more days to get more ideas (if any) about how to determine if the in-house contest rigged or not. The wager one is more obvious since often in just a few hours before it closed, whales start to rekt the leaderboard.
Popular and well-established casinos don't need to cheat, simply there is no reason to cheat because they already make decent money when they offer you wagering and other type of contests. Trust hugely matters in casinos, it can really ruin their business if they are cheating and it was somehow leaked. Some people still think that companies like Evolution (former Evolution Gaming) lie to their customers while in reality there is 0 such attempt. Games have house edge and it's already gives casinos the guarantee that they will profit. And in-house competitions just push you to wager as much as possible because of high competition, the reward that they give you isn't a huge loss for them too, just a tiny amount in reality.
March 01, 2021, 01:09:44 PM
I'll let this thread open for a few more days to get more ideas (if any) about how to determine if the in-house contest rigged or not. The wager one is more obvious since often in just a few hours before it closed, whales start to rekt the leaderboard.
This had been always the case or situation happen on a wager competition where even you do secure your spot on the top wont really make any guarantee that you would win the competition because as long it wasnt over then whales can really fucked you up even with the last minute left of the time.
You cant even tell if those are real players or simply on the side with the house.Hard thing on spotting or determining out if they are rigging or cheating it or not.
March 01, 2021, 12:08:40 PM
Many casinos have leaderboards for a wide range of competition. Is there a way to verify the validity of the users and their scores? What stop the casinos from printing random (fake) users and put that on the leaderboard?
That's the reason I only participate in competitions published and handled in Bitcointalk. It's easier to verify. Do you also think the same?
Sincerely,
A skeptic guy.
That's the reason I only participate in competitions published and handled in Bitcointalk. It's easier to verify. Do you also think the same?
Sincerely,
A skeptic guy.
I do think one cannot for trust anything with closed eyes but idk if am right but is this possible to somehow Integrate blockchain itself in a casino ?? This way everything will be as open as it can be ? It would be extremely complicated but the track of scores , players, numbers can be kept in a highly integrated manner and anyone literally anyone can check if it's good or no!
We do have games which are developed on blockchain therefore I do think that, this might be possible but the system itself would be able to handle less number of individuals at a time.
Maybe this would be a time when we could trust these things with closed eyes ?
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I myself do not particularly go forth in the competitions but I do think if someone would like to elucidate my idea ? Can blockchain be used in gambling platform??
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