Topic: Do You Trust In-House Casino Competition? (Wager/Multiplier/Raffle) - page 4. (Read 698 times)
February 27, 2021, 02:13:41 PM
If it's a wager competition then I won't participate since I am a small gambler so wager competition is out of my hands unless it is another competition that is not based on wager then I'll be gladly to join to try my chance on winning the competition rather than gambling for fun and not taking chances on competition that does not take a lot of money to have a chance to win. Putting fake top participants on leaderboard have consequences and one of it is trust or reputation.
February 27, 2021, 02:00:10 PM
I don't see why they would have to put fake people on the leaderboards even if you say that it's to boost popularity. They literally could use any other tactic than that. And besides, if you think the gambling site you frequent in is pulling a fast one on you, then you might wanna switch to a different one just to save yourself the trouble of being so skeptical about it.
The main reason why they put fake accounts on such contest is to save some money from the prizepool.
I remember there was a casino namely "wixiplay" did this thing in the past.
The casino had few wagering contest (daily, weekly and monthly) but the main winners are inactive account (by checking the profile of the account).
Luckily the site is not able to survive and I think it is gone already.
Of course it is not happening in all casinos, at least reputable casinos wont do such bad thing as they wont be willing to risk their reputation.
February 27, 2021, 12:31:11 PM
I don't see why they would have to put fake people on the leaderboards even if you say that it's to boost popularity. They literally could use any other tactic than that. And besides, if you think the gambling site you frequent in is pulling a fast one on you, then you might wanna switch to a different one just to save yourself the trouble of being so skeptical about it.
February 27, 2021, 08:27:08 AM
Many casinos have leaderboards for a wide range of competition. Is there a way to verify the validity of the users and their scores? What stop the casinos from printing random (fake) users and put that on the leaderboard?
I am glad I am not the only one who thinks like it. I was trying to ask the same question but I was feared that most of the reputed casinos will come hard at me if I directly ask them in support chat, great to have a topic here and discuss with players.Its actually a very viable option for them and specially the new casinos who don't have players can announce 100 BTC race/contest and then show up their own usernames and accounts.
I hardly ever compete for these wager contests because I don't like losing $100 to win $10 from these contests but really good point and I wish some casinos can answer because we as players can only discuss.
February 26, 2021, 04:17:05 PM
Often wondered and sometimes still wonder about this issue as well : and usually I rely on site reputation and go with the most pupolar and trustes...but those are the ones where winning in those kind of competition is harded or that same reason.
I think some sites might do some tricks like this, expecially the ones with the feature on hiding player profile : in my opinoin people with hidden profile should be excluded from wagering competition.
One thing that makes it harder fro site to eventually cheat on this kind of promo is if they have bankroll investiment feature : in case of house players losing their asses to climb the leaderboard investors profit would grow, so site admins should make some math to calculate the lesser damage for site bankroll.
I think some sites might do some tricks like this, expecially the ones with the feature on hiding player profile : in my opinoin people with hidden profile should be excluded from wagering competition.
One thing that makes it harder fro site to eventually cheat on this kind of promo is if they have bankroll investiment feature : in case of house players losing their asses to climb the leaderboard investors profit would grow, so site admins should make some math to calculate the lesser damage for site bankroll.
Nothing changes whether the player's profile is hidden or not. You can "simulate" both a hidden and an open profile - in any case, you have to rely on the reputation of the casino. I think most of the big players have hidden profiles for obvious reasons and would be annoyed if kicked out of this competition. It would annoy me if I had to choose between bonus and privacy.
February 26, 2021, 04:06:46 PM
Often wondered and sometimes still wonder about this issue as well : and usually I rely on site reputation and go with the most pupolar and trustes...but those are the ones where winning in those kind of competition is harded or that same reason.
I think some sites might do some tricks like this, expecially the ones with the feature on hiding player profile : in my opinoin people with hidden profile should be excluded from wagering competition.
One thing that makes it harder fro site to eventually cheat on this kind of promo is if they have bankroll investiment feature : in case of house players losing their asses to climb the leaderboard investors profit would grow, so site admins should make some math to calculate the lesser damage for site bankroll.
I think some sites might do some tricks like this, expecially the ones with the feature on hiding player profile : in my opinoin people with hidden profile should be excluded from wagering competition.
One thing that makes it harder fro site to eventually cheat on this kind of promo is if they have bankroll investiment feature : in case of house players losing their asses to climb the leaderboard investors profit would grow, so site admins should make some math to calculate the lesser damage for site bankroll.
February 26, 2021, 03:56:19 PM
Well if an user is at leaderboard top positions there must be someway to proove that, maybe through his account's statistics?
I think a casino can't fake this kind of competition for too long, because the real big players will start doubting, questioning and complaining about the results, what will lead a wave of suspiciousness among other gamblers, prejudicing future competitions and the casino itself. So there is no point for a casino who wants to be reputable and to operate for a long time to practice such actions.
I think a casino can't fake this kind of competition for too long, because the real big players will start doubting, questioning and complaining about the results, what will lead a wave of suspiciousness among other gamblers, prejudicing future competitions and the casino itself. So there is no point for a casino who wants to be reputable and to operate for a long time to practice such actions.
Probably, this scenario about faking would only exist for non reputable casino who's going to scam every gamblers who fall into their promotional traps. If you're smart enough to determine their modus, then don't trust on their mode of set play and it's in the first place they'll be suspicious once complains started to burst out from random players who experience some disappointing experience.
February 26, 2021, 03:54:25 PM
I trust such competitions - if you pay attention to the size of the prizes in relation to the money that is spinning there, then we can say that these are insignificant amounts for the casino. Such prizes are a small rateback for big players. These are image projects and are practically free for casinos.
February 26, 2021, 02:50:50 PM
Many casinos have leaderboards for a wide range of competition. Is there a way to verify the validity of the users and their scores? What stop the casinos from printing random (fake) users and put that on the leaderboard?
That's the reason I only participate in competitions published and handled in Bitcointalk. It's easier to verify. Do you also think the same?
Sincerely,
A skeptic guy.
That's the reason I only participate in competitions published and handled in Bitcointalk. It's easier to verify. Do you also think the same?
Sincerely,
A skeptic guy.
Hey, I am also one of the skeptics when it comes to stuff like this... because we know some casinos use some drastic strategies to get people to gamble more. The thing is... if they get caught and something like this is posted online... then their reputation will be destroyed.
I know some of the Streamers are funded by the casinos to showcase their casinos and to attract new gamblers to their casinos. I do not really think this is unethical... but they should really just say that some of these streamers are funded, so that it does not cause any problems when it is revealed.
Problem is.... exposing this is almost impossible and you have to be a hacker or you have to get some whistleblower to expose this practice.
February 26, 2021, 01:19:31 PM
As long the system using internal casino system count, IMO still no solution for this went the casino was really want to cheat on the contest with some big prize + they want to take all the winners to spot so as not to lose anything just for creating some HYPE.
Some solution maybe for Multiplier Contest the casino can provide a hash result for each user who reaches the multiplier depending on what type multiplier for the contest (High or specifiq). But just like I said before if the casino really want to cheat and not losing money, yeah they can create their own account and just add unlimited money on real balance to play for chasing a high multiplier ~XD
Wager contest was impossible to be tracked + cannot give any solution. In the case for the raffle we can using a number of tickets like duelbits and roll the winners via livestream.
Some solution maybe for Multiplier Contest the casino can provide a hash result for each user who reaches the multiplier depending on what type multiplier for the contest (High or specifiq). But just like I said before if the casino really want to cheat and not losing money, yeah they can create their own account and just add unlimited money on real balance to play for chasing a high multiplier ~XD
Wager contest was impossible to be tracked + cannot give any solution. In the case for the raffle we can using a number of tickets like duelbits and roll the winners via livestream.
February 26, 2021, 01:04:19 PM
Well if an user is at leaderboard top positions there must be someway to proove that, maybe through his account's statistics?
I think a casino can't fake this kind of competition for too long, because the real big players will start doubting, questioning and complaining about the results, what will lead a wave of suspiciousness among other gamblers, prejudicing future competitions and the casino itself. So there is no point for a casino who wants to be reputable and to operate for a long time to practice such actions.
I think a casino can't fake this kind of competition for too long, because the real big players will start doubting, questioning and complaining about the results, what will lead a wave of suspiciousness among other gamblers, prejudicing future competitions and the casino itself. So there is no point for a casino who wants to be reputable and to operate for a long time to practice such actions.
February 26, 2021, 12:25:42 PM
When it's a new casino, and their leaderboard has some serious wagers, I don't believe they're real. But when we're talking about a reputable casino, I don't see why they would fake such info, as the risk of someone casting solid doubt on the data outweighs the potential reward they might get. That being said, I also don't know of a way to check if these wagers are true, so it's indeed nice to have people share the info on Bitcointalk (especially when we're talking about a competition), thus proving that the info is legit.
February 26, 2021, 11:06:36 AM
I am always skeptical about "wagering" and probably some time I have seen serious suspect about frauds...because I have seen people wagering hundreds of bitcoin for just hundreds of dollars as a prize.
I think it's kind of impossible someone will risk so much money for just a little prize.
Or another example I have seen people playing for "lottery"... but the same amount of ticket earned was much much more of first prize if directly converted in "rakeback point"...
I think it's kind of impossible someone will risk so much money for just a little prize.
Or another example I have seen people playing for "lottery"... but the same amount of ticket earned was much much more of first prize if directly converted in "rakeback point"...
If you think that those who gamble hundreds of btc is aiming for the contest only, I can say that it is wrong.
Bear in mind that not all gamblers are gambling just for the wagering contest.
Whales wont really care about the prize as they can earn it easily with single bet.
Of course people who gamble for the wagering contest only does exist but they wont be risking hundred of btc for hundred of dollars.
February 26, 2021, 10:17:05 AM
I am always skeptical about "wagering" and probably some time I have seen serious suspect about frauds...because I have seen people wagering hundreds of bitcoin for just hundreds of dollars as a prize.
I think it's kind of impossible someone will risk so much money for just a little prize.
Or another example I have seen people playing for "lottery"... but the same amount of ticket earned was much much more of first prize if directly converted in "rakeback point"...
I think it's kind of impossible someone will risk so much money for just a little prize.
Or another example I have seen people playing for "lottery"... but the same amount of ticket earned was much much more of first prize if directly converted in "rakeback point"...
February 26, 2021, 07:40:55 AM
Believe me the only 1 way to prove the real winner of contest on Gambling site is raffle (well mostly it's only a giveaway, not contest). Site will use 3rd party to decide the winner by going live, so no one feel got cheated.
Different when we are talking about wager, biggest profit, race and other contests, all of these contest could be manipulated (especially when the time of contest is near end).
Different when we are talking about wager, biggest profit, race and other contests, all of these contest could be manipulated (especially when the time of contest is near end).
February 26, 2021, 07:40:21 AM
That's a nice question honestly. I am skeptic on wager competitions on small casinos and platforms that gets up to hundreds of btc wagered in a span of a week. Not that I'm questioning the pockets of those in the leaderboards but oftentimes, it's hard to believe that someone will wager such an amount in a relatively small casino that can perform exit scams so easily. Anyhow, on established casinos and platforms I have no problems joining the competitions. Even I myself managed to wager quite a nice sum on some events, although not enough to put me in the top 20s of the leaderboard.
February 26, 2021, 06:23:46 AM
Many casinos have leaderboards for a wide range of competition. Is there a way to verify the validity of the users and their scores? What stop the casinos from printing random (fake) users and put that on the leaderboard?
That's the reason I only participate in competitions published and handled in Bitcointalk. It's easier to verify. Do you also think the same?
That's the reason I only participate in competitions published and handled in Bitcointalk. It's easier to verify. Do you also think the same?
I have asked this questions many times myself and unfortunately I don't think there is a way to find out if these leaderboards are legit or not. Even if the casinos tells us everything is being regulated we still don't know what is going on behind the curtains. Maybe someone just makes a few fake accounts for leadersboards. In the end we just have to trust the casino or not.
I agree with you that having a well known forum behind the competitions makes it much more reliable. If the competitions are managed by a Hero or Legendary member here with a good trust record over several years we can all belief in it. The trust factors on the forum are a great way to reward long term users who were never involved in shady business.
February 26, 2021, 06:07:18 AM
my way of verifying is if the high roller in the leaderboard competition is not hidden and the another one is if he is active chatting in the public chat of a gambling site .
Interesting idea!It's their privacy too.
So, that is still not a way to verify them accurately.
I have also not been at the top of leaderboards even with dice.
It takes time and I don't want my computer to heat up just opening it 24/7 for the ranks.
I guess it will all depend of the trust built up by the gambling site.
February 26, 2021, 06:00:14 AM
I have never won anything even in free raffles!
#RIP lolI'm participating competitions in bitcointalk because I feel that the chance to win is bigger since the number of competitors/participants is low compared to in-house competition.
Yeah, but perhaps that's because there was no sybil (fake accounts) attack. Only real account = fewer participants.Duelbits' raffle was legit IMO (not because we won) lol, but because they stated the total ticket number. At that time, I was sure at least one of us would win.
my way of verifying is if the high roller in the leaderboard competition is not hidden and the another one is if he is active chatting in the public chat of a gambling site .
Interesting idea! February 26, 2021, 05:05:03 AM
my way of verifying is if the high roller in the leaderboard competition is not hidden and the another one is if he is active chatting in the public chat of a gambling site .
my tips are not perfect because there are hidden players that are not connected on the site and also dont spend time in the chats but they play anonymously .
im not trying hard because i am no way of participating a competition .
i never win a single competition because my plays are not intense
my tips are not perfect because there are hidden players that are not connected on the site and also dont spend time in the chats but they play anonymously .
im not trying hard because i am no way of participating a competition .
i never win a single competition because my plays are not intense
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