Topic: Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ? - page 35. (Read 20577 times)

Brought to you by the same people who developed the gene therapy injection, then funded development of the SARS-cov-2 to justify it's use.  Of course.

  https://www.isdglobal.org/partnerships-and-funders/

There absolutely are some conspiracy sites talking bad about NaturalNews.

You didn't post links to medical stuff. You posted links to a commercial, far-right, anti-vaccination conspiracy theory, and fake news website known for promoting alternative medicine, pseudoscience and far-right extremism and selling crap to people racking up millions.

Anatomy of a Disinformation Empire: Investigating NaturalNews - https://www.isdglobal.org/isd-publications/investigating-natural-news/
This report presents the findings of an extensive investigation into a network of domains connected to NaturalNews, a US-based commercial enterprise
and website promoting conspiracy theories and disinformation.

you posted a conspiracy site. that misquoted a yahoo site. which took a out of contect extract of a cdc statement

sorry badecker that is not "medical stuff"
your natural news has totally twisted, ignored and then made a opinion piece based on their bias. not based on medical stuff

Thanks for inventing the way things work. Yours in contrast with the links to medical stuff... which I posted.

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But you didn't follow their links to see that they are talking about what is happening. I think that we are all beginning to see that Facebook, Youtube, twitter sometimes, and most of the long-standing news agencies are the real conspiracy sites.

This is fun.

nope
firstly your conspiracy sites summary is wrong.
the vaccine does not cause more viral loads than a unvaxxed person.

what you find out if you actually cared/bothered to learn about the truth.. heck even learning commons sense would help you.. here il use simple numbers for your simple mind to understand

is that if someone unvaxxed passed say 100,000,000 particles of the alpha strain
is that if someone unvaxxed would pass 200,000,000 particles of the delta strain
(^ no respect for personal space, no social distancing, no mask)

and same situation but with a vaccined person
is that if someone vaxxed would pass say 5,000,000 particles of the alpha strain
is that if someone vaxxed would pass 10,000,000 particles of the delta strain
(^ no respect for personal space, no social distancing, no mask)


now unvaxxed people that respect personal space and follow the 2 metre rule.
mean they only pass 2,000,000 particles of alpha instead of 100mill particles if they didnt respect personal space(4mill particles with social distance instead of 200m of delta)

now unvaxxed people that respect personal space and follow the 2 metre rule and wear a cloth mask.
mean they only pass 1,400,000 particles of alpha instead of 100mill particles if they didnt respect personal space and didnt wear a mask(2.8mill of delta if they wore a cloth mask vs 200m delta without mask/distancing)

now unvaxxed people that respect personal space and follow the 2 metre rule and wear a surgical mask.
mean they only pass 600,000 particles of alpha instead of 100mill particles if they didnt respect personal space and didnt wear a mask(1.2m of delta instead of 200m without mask/social distancing)

so in comparison..
if the vaxxed done social distance
that 10mill delta becomes 100,000
if they wore a surgical mask thats then further reduced to 30,000



if a vaccinated person then went back to normal living habits of not social distancing. no mask. they could pass 10mill..
still alot less than if they didnt get a vaccine and went back to normal living.(200million)

the conspiracy blog is trying compare socially distancing and mask wearing unvaxxed numbers.. to back to usual unmasked non distance respecting vaxxed.

its got nothing to do with the vaccine causing more viral load. its about the lack of social distancing/lack of mask that vaxxed people can do.
but all in all its still alot lower then the ignorant unvaxxed who disrespect others by not distancing/not masking up

vaccines do not create a forcefield/shield to prevent infection. a vaccine trains body to fight the virus quick and limit/prevent the disease in the person and reduce/prevent the symptoms.. and reduce/prevent the viral load they pass on

by fighting it quick.... not by having some star trek forcefield bubble that keeps viruses away


in short..
badecker as a person that hates social distancing rule and hates masks.. he would be passing around 200mill particles of delta when he gets it and pretends its of no problem and no need to change habits

but someone vaxxed that wants the same normal living will only be passing around 10mill.
if the vaxxed continued respecting personal space and wore a mask it could be as low as 30k

in both cases less than unvaxxed personal space disrespecting badecker

Attention: The above link is a shit-site made specifically to confirm conspiracy theorists' biases.

Anatomy of a Disinformation Empire: Investigating NaturalNews - https://www.isdglobal.org/isd-publications/investigating-natural-news/
This report presents the findings of an extensive investigation into a network of domains connected to NaturalNews, a US-based commercial enterprise
and website promoting conspiracy theories and disinformation.

Wikipedia: Natural News is a far-right, anti-vaccination conspiracy theory and fake news website known for promoting alternative medicine, pseudoscience and far-right extremism.

Facebook has banned this conspiracy site twice. But its content can still sneak back on.

Natural News went from selling cheesy kale chips to peddling far-right prophecies, racking up millions of Facebook followers along the way.

This just proves that you don't read anything that other people post and are not interested in any other information besides what is already in your head.

You just dump your word diarrhea here.

Oh man, I hope you realize that we just go back and read what you wrote. This is your quote.
Doesn't matter. It is not important. Like everything you say.




Since we are psychologists now, let me evaluate you.

You have low trust in others and have a stronger need to feel special. You think that everyone else is sheep and only you have the true knowledge about health, politics, economics, and life in general (although you are a blue-collar worker and don't have formal education in any field and yet you consider yourself a specialist in a multitude of fields). You are an anti-authority person and with your paranoid and suspicious thinking, you see meaningful patterns where none exist. Does not matter what organizations do, they do it only to harm YOU in any way they can. There is no other reason for their existence.

Lol.  You posted like one link about 'life expectancy' which wasn't even part of any conversation.

I posted a fair number of links, then, since you were apparently to ignorant to know what a footnote is, I followed a footnote for you so you could find the source article in Psychology Today.  Then you said that Psychology Today is a 'private blog.'

I'm sure your performance has convinced a lot of people (albeit mostly functionally retarded ones.)  Keep up the great work!

Do I trust the Covid vaccine? Of course I do! I trust it to kill people after turning them into superspreaders.


CDC confesses: Vaccines are failing, the vaxxed can be super-spreaders, demands return to mask mandates for everyone, including the vaxxed

I don't usually argue on the internet and I understand that there is almost no chance to change people's minds if they believe in conspiracies. And I'm not trying to win an argument with him. The goal of my posts is to dilute the load of crap they post with links to reputable sources. I hope to minimize their impact on people who are uncertain about vaccines.

My mother has a friend like who doesn't shut up about big pharma and the government that has the sole purpose to get them in some way. Because of that friend, my mother was hesitant about vaccines and it took me an effort to convince her.

But luckily she did it in time because the friend with whom she was often around got Covid and ended up in hospital. My mother didn't contract the virus. With her respiratory problems, it would be disastrous. It is unfortunate what happened with her friend but on the other hand, after seeing what her friend went through - she is not hesitant now to get a booster shot if required.


People are "woke" while nothing bad is happing to them. When the disaster strikes in their family - it is too late, and they are left with regret and self-blame.

more like tvbcof thinks people are programmed to die before 50 if they have a vaccine..

yet history proves tvbcof wrong.
before vaccines were even a thing average life span was 50
after vaccines became the norm.. life spans averaged 82

even now countries that dont do regular vaccinations still have lifespans of average 50
vs all the countries that do do vaccines.

the reason is that diseases do kill people. .. its why they are defined as diseases!!! and not just temporary irritations
vaccines stop/reduce diseases to small percentage levels. and in many cases eradicate it

vaccines are not the major cause of death. and have never been the causes of death.
quite the opposite disease with no vaccination leads to high causes of death

EG how many people die of polio after having a polio vaccine
vs
how many people die of polio before vaccines were a thing

I never mentioned anything about 'life expectancy' nor did I imply it.  But over and over again you keep bringing it up because you think it is some attack on something I said, or you just want to flap your gums and it is the most scienc-ee word you know.

Here's what is actually happening in your pea-sized brain albeit at a subconscious level which is why I'll do you a solid and help bring it to your attention:

You have been programmed to believe that everyone will drop dead before age thirty unless they have modern pharma drugs.  That's what billions of dollars of advertizing and 'investment' into state funded schools buy them.

You are so indoctrinated you will go rabid-dog style and start chewing on anything you perceive as being a threat to your cyber-sponsors in big pharma.  Constantly going back to 'life expectancy' in spite of it not even being relevant is equivalent to the rabid dog attacking a tire instead of an actual animal.  Amusing to watch at least.  I've seen it on the internets before of course, but some of you noobs on this forum really take it to an extreme level lately.  It's at least a glass half full that you guys are going to be sterilized or killed by the 'vaccine' where 'my type' is more likely to make it through to the other side.  I mean, I think you guys are pretty much damaged beyond hope of repair.

to glorious ignore button... don't worry, he is in a big office with a lot of little keyboard slave like him, trying to fuck our health, for a few nikels a day... don't even care or mention such biowaste > ignore. they will respawn.

You must be kidding me... The examples of the accusations are in the last 30 posts in this thread. You are either post your own opinions based on "decades of your own knowledge" or posting links to personal blogs where people write what they think is true based on the pieces of information they liked on the internet. No references to research or any kind of verified sources.

The above user is to stupid to realize that his 'argument', or whatever it is, is not even relevant to the discussion going on.

He's also to lazy to point to any examples of his accusations of course.

The following user has been posting all sort of non-scientific websites and conspiracy theories all around the forum, no matter what evidence you provide, he'll simply reject/ignore it. It doesn't require much scientific knowledge, that back in the 50s, people would die at the age of 40-50-60 years, from diseases that have now been eradicated.

It's plain stupid to ignore that, with simple statistics it can be proven that the average life expectancy has risen dramatically, the last few decades, due to modern medicine.

You guessed wrong. I said that you aren't fit to estimate my intelligence implying that you are an example of the Dunning–Kruger effect. Stop guessing and make your assumptions based on facts.

I totally agree with you on that one.


You claimed that people are better off without modern medicine, like cavemen. I showed you scientific resources that state that Paleolithic era men lived a short life (and your response is, "for whatever weird reason, it makes you feel good to think..."). I'm always open to new information but you send links to weird sites with opinions and stories about dragons. The reference link in that article explains the meaning of life expectancy and NOTHING else.

I don't understand your obsession with the difference between 'life expectancy' and 'lifespan'. You were in this debate alone, no one argued with you about that. My graph showed the life expectancy for the modern era, I shared the life expectancy for Paleolithic era and the drastic difference between them. Why are you even pushing this? Do you want a cookie for understanding the difference between meanings? Go get one and don't bring the terms up again.

Their life expectancy was short, their lifespan was short. Their life was short. 4 of their 10 children would die at birth. 4 of the remaining would not survive until the teenage years. The survivors would perish from diseases and injuries in their 20-30s.

Yup.  I guessed right.

Poor fella.  You really want to be smart don't you?  People who are intellectually challenged, or just beginners, can get sensitive in this way.  I get it.  Keep working on it.  I think you could understand the difference between 'life expectancy' and 'lifespan' if you ponder on it a little more.


The article had footnotes, and (Kanazawa 2008) seems to be this:

  https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/200811/common-misconceptions-about-science-ii-life-expectancy

Personally I feel like Psychology Today is probably just another scientism rag (of the type that the Left wing intelligentsia considers the word of God), but this is a relatively unimportant topic and there is not a lot of reason to fabricate things.

Buy hey, if, for whatever weird reason, it makes you feel good to think that all cavemen dropped dead at or before age 30, be my guest.