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March 07, 2019, 08:43:59 AM
The only way Martingale works is when you have unlimited amount of money. Otherwise, the house edge always wins. It works well for the first few times though. You could get away with profits but if you keep doing it, you are bound to go down with nothing.

And then you have unlimited amount of money you dont need play any gambling you can just enjoy your life   Grin
That's a very smart answer mate Cheesy, if you have unlimited money you don't need to gamble anymore lol. martingel works if you're
lucky dude. how much your capital, you can lose 10 times in a row, so luck is still needed in this strategy

Luck is always needed everywhere . And in this strategy you require a lot of money too and not practical for many people so for them it will not work and will be based in luck only to make money from this game too . Instead people should enjoy and have fun .
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March 07, 2019, 08:00:35 AM
The only way Martingale works is when you have unlimited amount of money. Otherwise, the house edge always wins. It works well for the first few times though. You could get away with profits but if you keep doing it, you are bound to go down with nothing.

And then you have unlimited amount of money you dont need play any gambling you can just enjoy your life   Grin
That's a very smart answer mate Cheesy, if you have unlimited money you don't need to gamble anymore lol. martingel works if you're
lucky dude. how much your capital, you can lose 10 times in a row, so luck is still needed in this strategy
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March 07, 2019, 04:45:24 AM
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And all types of strategies simply destroy fun.
I'm not even sure if we should call any gambling behaviour a strategy.
There is actually no strategic thinking when it comes to pure chance based activities. As you said, it ruins the fun and more to that, this can give us false mechanics understanding and fake sense of security. Gambling approach, technique, style, system but not tactics nor strategy is adequate here. Just semantics one may say but actual impact on losses or gains is possible, just due to proper nomenclature usage. Most of the time it all comes to "try and error" procedure anyway, adding extra ideology to gambling is potentially dangerous and can bring unnecessary losses. Just play and have a blast in the process, forget the cold calculations.    
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March 07, 2019, 04:37:06 AM
The only way Martingale works is when you have unlimited amount of money. Otherwise, the house edge always wins. It works well for the first few times though. You could get away with profits but if you keep doing it, you are bound to go down with nothing.

And then you have unlimited amount of money you dont need play any gambling you can just enjoy your life   Grin
What's the sense of having unlimited money if you're just going to gamble it? Martingale for me doesn't really work and I reckon what lexus said, we just have to enjoy our lives if we are on that moment of our lives when we have unlimited money.
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March 07, 2019, 04:20:17 AM
No one would risk $100 million in order of winning $1 per bet, even if it was $1 per second. I know, people do crazier things sometimes, but no one in his/her right mind would do that. Gambling is supposed to be for recreation, and constant winning (like in the case of martingale with unlimited bankroll) shouldn't be anyone's goal. Firstly, because there is no such thing as "unlimited bankroll". Secondly, because you can think that your bankroll is big enough and lose it all. And thirdly because martingale only makes you stressed, there's no fun in playing with that strategy.

Agreed. Gamble to earn is like diving into water to breath. Its only for fun. And all types of strategies simply destroy fun. In this $100 million simulations i was only trying to show that "unlimited bankroll" is not "big enough bankroll". Its infinite bankroll.

I'm still training my coding skill and would love to test next casino strategies. Not only in roulette. If you want to test something just write it here. Casino strategies are good for that because if program return profit after thousands of roll i know that i did something wrong Smiley
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March 05, 2019, 10:23:14 AM
~Because some of gamblers (out of 1000) hit killing strike loosing 100 000 000 $ Smiley (with initial bet equal to 1$). So martingale is worst strategy even for those who has crazy big porfolio and are into gambling only for fun.


No one would risk $100 million in order of winning $1 per bet, even if it was $1 per second. I know, people do crazier things sometimes, but no one in his/her right mind would do that. Gambling is supposed to be for recreation, and constant winning (like in the case of martingale with unlimited bankroll) shouldn't be anyone's goal. Firstly, because there is no such thing as "unlimited bankroll". Secondly, because you can think that your bankroll is big enough and lose it all. And thirdly because martingale only makes you stressed, there's no fun in playing with that strategy.
Reading those reasons and I see the relevance, martingales will make you stress when trying to win small amount while risking your money when
you are having a continuous losing streak, there's no fun when you are not getting the satisfactions that you are intending to have while playing,
you can play with any strategy of course always find enjoyment.
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March 05, 2019, 10:11:20 AM
~Because some of gamblers (out of 1000) hit killing strike loosing 100 000 000 $ Smiley (with initial bet equal to 1$). So martingale is worst strategy even for those who has crazy big porfolio and are into gambling only for fun.


No one would risk $100 million in order of winning $1 per bet, even if it was $1 per second. I know, people do crazier things sometimes, but no one in his/her right mind would do that. Gambling is supposed to be for recreation, and constant winning (like in the case of martingale with unlimited bankroll) shouldn't be anyone's goal. Firstly, because there is no such thing as "unlimited bankroll". Secondly, because you can think that your bankroll is big enough and lose it all. And thirdly because martingale only makes you stressed, there's no fun in playing with that strategy.
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March 05, 2019, 09:50:49 AM
The only way Martingale works is when you have unlimited amount of money. Otherwise, the house edge always wins. It works well for the first few times though. You could get away with profits but if you keep doing it, you are bound to go down with nothing.

And then you have unlimited amount of money you dont need play any gambling you can just enjoy your life   Grin

What if you enjoy gambling? I think its the only reason for being in gambling that actually is reasonable because being into gambling to earn is like diving into watter to breath Smiley

What is unlimited amount? 100 000 000 times initial bet?

Code:
Limit:
100000000
How manny tests
1000
average rolls 4843387.62 average out 9.806127697E7
average loss -1938723 in 10090.39 days (one bet per minute, 8h daily), which is -24.02 per hour
richest: 102435795 after 28 years

Still not enought in 1000 tests. 28 years is limit set by me (who could possible spend more?).  Richest gambler earned only 2 mil $ in 28 years. Thats how would you like to spend your life having already 100 mil ? Smiley If you would divide 10090.29 days by 365 we have 27,64 years. It means that almost everyone reached lifetime limit. ALMOST. Because some of gamblers (out of 1000) hit killing strike loosing 100 000 000 $ Smiley (with initial bet equal to 1$). So martingale is worst strategy even for those who has crazy big porfolio and are into gambling only for fun.
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March 04, 2019, 05:22:48 AM
The only way Martingale works is when you have unlimited amount of money. Otherwise, the house edge always wins. It works well for the first few times though. You could get away with profits but if you keep doing it, you are bound to go down with nothing.

And then you have unlimited amount of money you dont need play any gambling you can just enjoy your life   Grin
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March 04, 2019, 05:11:32 AM
Good work OP I gave you merit for that. I knew that was the case but never did proper work to prove it. I tried martingale on a very low bank and very low bet making it possible to lose at least 15 times before going bust and it never worked. I was surprised by the time it took me to lose. It didn't even take an hour for me to hit a 10 losing streak but I don't think that I got a 15 times winning streak. I always thought that casinos are rigged to weed out martingale players but your program proves that they don't even have to be. The player will bust himself anyway.

Yep. Gamblers very often underestimate probability of losing strikes. In fact in 200 bets its:
6 in a row - 96,5%
7 in a row - 80%
8 in a row - 54%
9 in a row - 32%

It means that you have 32% probability of loosing 5110$ after 200 bets with initial bet at 10$. How many of us actually want to risk more? In fact its the same risk as betting 5000$ on first dozen and triple or go home. In fact this strategy has better risk/profit ratio.
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March 02, 2019, 06:21:49 PM
Good work OP I gave you merit for that. I knew that was the case but never did proper work to prove it. I tried martingale on a very low bank and very low bet making it possible to lose at least 15 times before going bust and it never worked. I was surprised by the time it took me to lose. It didn't even take an hour for me to hit a 10 losing streak but I don't think that I got a 15 times winning streak. I always thought that casinos are rigged to weed out martingale players but your program proves that they don't even have to be. The player will bust himself anyway.
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March 02, 2019, 05:36:17 PM
I've started to learn to code and one of my first programs was Martingale test.

Assumptions:
1- after every lost bet i double
2- after every win bet i go back to initiation bet
3- initiation bet is 1 $
4- when i can't afford for next bet i exit casino with money i have left
5-I do 100 000 test
6- After every win limit is increased by winning amount.


First test with limit of 1000$ (1000 times oryginal bet) - I think that its amount that most of Martingale enthusiasts enter casino (1000 times more money than single bet).


Average gambler was in casino for 4.8 days and was loosing 10.21 $ per hour. The Richest gambler achieved 446 k $ after 5 years in casino - day by day 8 h a day.

Let's test 1 000 000 times original bet (my pc was calculating it for too long so i set nr of test for 10 000 - i think that its enough to get satisfying results)



Again loss. 20$ per hour on average. Average gambler survived 1 mil rolls and exit with 570 000$. The Richest gambler spent 28 years in casino and tripled money - he was not zeroed. He reached limit of rolls set by me to avoid infinite loop. 28 years is in fact maximum for human to spend in casino (btw. tripling in 28 years. Inflation is bigger Smiley ).

Well. Maybe strategy was to hardcore - playing untill death and taking what's left. Let's say that you would quit after doubling money or go home with 0. I code that too to see what the chances are.

Lets start easy. We enter casino with 500$ and want to exit with 1000$



Only 39% of them doubled money. Its less than if they enter casino and bet everything on red (~48%).

500$ is too small?

Lets start with 1 000 000 $ again.



Loss again. Even worst - 27% chances to double. That's because with higher limit you have to earn more to double. This simulation shows that Martingale simply don't work and is worse than betting everything on red and going home. Gambling should be considered as fun with luck. Every strategy would destroy you and your brain. Go, bet earn/loos have fun but don't thing that with special strategy you have chance to win repetitively and earn for living. Well you can but due to luck ... net math and strategy.

At the end i'll post few result.



I can share my code but i bet you can all write it by yourself. Its easy after few days of learing. That way you can simply test every possible strategy for free.
yes you are right it will be useful in sometimes but following the strategies in the only chance to get the product is not a right statement in gambling because strategies are always not needed to gamble if you had money the luck will be set the profit of your investment in gambling then no other way will needed for gambling.
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March 02, 2019, 11:40:29 AM
#99

I was amazed by this strategy a few years ago when I online casinos where advertised so heavily and offered a lot of high no deposit bonuses.

Like I said I have never won in the end using martingale strategy.

Every time there was a moment when after hours of play I got 7 times 0 in a row or 16 times black or red with 0 in between.

I see people are writing that if you have big bankroll you can be successful with this strategy. No, you don't.

You will lose all in the end when such a moment comes as described above.

Yes I confirm
Tested twice yesterday with a big deep stake.
As you say an uncredible serie has ever come. Then broke...
Ok, so it looks like another player confirmed that it doesn't work even if you have a deep pocket. You better off with just a small streak and then quit. Because we all know that in the long run, probability will catch on you and you will just regret using this strategy.
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March 02, 2019, 12:48:27 AM
#98

I was amazed by this strategy a few years ago when I online casinos where advertised so heavily and offered a lot of high no deposit bonuses.

Like I said I have never won in the end using martingale strategy.

Every time there was a moment when after hours of play I got 7 times 0 in a row or 16 times black or red with 0 in between.

I see people are writing that if you have big bankroll you can be successful with this strategy. No, you don't.

You will lose all in the end when such a moment comes as described above.

Yes I confirm
Tested twice yesterday with a big deep stake.
As you say an uncredible serie has ever come. Then broke...
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March 01, 2019, 10:58:24 PM
#97
Never worked for me.

No matter how big my stake was always finally I was drained empty.

There will be such a moment that there will be 16 or 20 reds in the row or 7 times 0 one after another and your money will be gone.

Yep. Just like in my simulation. Even having 1 000 000 times initial bet is not helping. In fact inceasing amount of money decrise propability of double.

39% with 1000 times oryginal bet and 27% with 1 000 000 times oryginal bet and 47% with put all on red strategy in 1 roll. This strategy will alwais kill you in longer period and in shorter you only hope that killing combo won't start with next bet.

I was amazed by this strategy a few years ago when I online casinos where advertised so heavily and offered a lot of high no deposit bonuses.

Like I said I have never won in the end using martingale strategy.

Every time there was a moment when after hours of play I got 7 times 0 in a row or 16 times black or red with 0 in between.

I see people are writing that if you have big bankroll you can be successful with this strategy. No, you don't.

You will lose all in the end when such a moment comes as described above.
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March 01, 2019, 06:30:45 PM
#96
I don't trust any strategies while coming because chamling is different from all the other way of money making in this field we need only one thing that is like if you had that you will be the winner at the day but it is not stable also it will be the main disadvantage here.
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March 01, 2019, 10:26:01 AM
#95

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how many times have you seen a non-interrupted series of 10 red as example?

If that's the case, then you're already being cheated mate. there's no way you can have such the same colour over and oover again unless you're doing something on it or maybe already done something to it.


exactely. the worst serie I have had was 5 times red. but with my bad money management it was enough to be broke.


And here a nice example with some sato on satke.com.
all went smooth until a bad serie of 6 reds. then I was broke

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March 01, 2019, 10:05:45 AM
#94

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how many times have you seen a non-interrupted series of 10 red as example?

If that's the case, then you're already being cheated mate. there's no way you can have such the same colour over and oover again unless you're doing something on it or maybe already done something to it.


exactely. the worst serie I have had was 5 times red. but with my bad money management it was enough to be broke.
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March 01, 2019, 09:06:42 AM
#93
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IMO, martingale is just a win or lose thing... It doesn't varies on what type of game you're playing with. Every successful winning should be on the same bet if you lose then multiply it until you win.

how many times have you seen a non-interrupted series of 10 red as example?

If that's the case, then you're already being cheated mate. there's no way you can have such the same colour over and oover again unless you're doing something on it or maybe already done something to it.
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March 01, 2019, 08:38:15 AM
#92
Just a newbee question.

Martingal is the same method, egal if you play on a straight number or a colour?

If you play only with a colour with a deep pocket did you not reduce the risks?

how many times have you seen a non-interrupted series of 10 red as example?
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