Does mathematical calculations really work in lotto or is it just guess work?

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Quote from: coolcoinz on October 01, 2024, 02:59:26 PM

Quote from: crwth on June 24, 2024, 09:02:09 AM

Well, if you know the theory of lotto, you would know that it's really hard to predict such numbers but having mathematical approach could increase your chances compared to just going out randomly with your number.

It's really hard to predict because the odds of hitting it are in the million range meaning near zero chance.

This reminds me of that guy (real story) who did the math and found out that if the pot is large enough, you can actually get every possible combination and win it, but you will need to invest money comparable to the prize to stantd a chance. You carn read about this story online. They gathered a number of people who invested money into lottery tickets and marked all combinations and ended up winning, but the prize wasn't crazy when you compare with the money they had to invest and the number of people that later shared it, but it was worth it just to prove a point and be the first to do it.

Yeah, i have seen this stuff too and this what makes him that banned on participating lotteries because he could actually be able to win it up via purchasing tickets on a huge number.
Of course it will really be that understandable that on the moment that you've been able to buy tons of tickets then you would really be having that more chances or odds on hitting up those jackpot.
Yes, it might sound basic but to know on how much money is involved to buy tons of tickets and possible combinations which this one doesnt come cheap of course. Basing up on what i have
read up that he is really that pooling up funds to buy those tickets and making up some partition or sharing into those people who had helped up for the cause or target.

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Quote from: crwth on June 24, 2024, 09:02:09 AM

Well, if you know the theory of lotto, you would know that it's really hard to predict such numbers but having mathematical approach could increase your chances compared to just going out randomly with your number.

It's really hard to predict because the odds of hitting it are in the million range meaning near zero chance.

This reminds me of that guy (real story) who did the math and found out that if the pot is large enough, you can actually get every possible combination and win it, but you will need to invest money comparable to the prize to stantd a chance. You carn read about this story online. They gathered a number of people who invested money into lottery tickets and marked all combinations and ended up winning, but the prize wasn't crazy when you compare with the money they had to invest and the number of people that later shared it, but it was worth it just to prove a point and be the first to do it.

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In lottery games, mathematical calculations do not apply, in my opinion it is just a random number or the casino sets it with the smallest order of choice numbers so the casino gets a lot of profit, to hell with lottery games, I really hate lottery games

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Quote from: Kelward on June 21, 2024, 07:48:23 AM

In my country I believe that there are more lotto shops and kiosks than sports bet shops, most Nigerians will be familiar with the popular Baba Ijebu lotto. If you come closer to any of these lotto shops and kiosks, you will notice gamblers of all ages, young and old busy calculating and coming up with probable combinations of numbers that can win. I notice that experienced forecasters and even scammers sells "sure numbers" and other gamblers will pay money to buy these numbers. Some times they win or one number or arrangements can spoil their tickets

Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?

Based from my observation I think those lotto gamblers based their prediction on sure number and permutations
based on "history repeats itself" probably in the past years ago, usually when you visit those shops a of lot past records in form of numbers are posted on a board thus such numbers came out as a winning numbers in the oast so judging by that they assume any of those numbers would likely roll out again, well it's up for the lotto gamblers if that works for them, I think that is what they or how they do there own analysis with those numbers just like other gamblers do there own analysis.

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Quote from: bitcampaign on October 01, 2024, 09:31:06 AM

Using mathematical calculations only takes time, but some are right on target, some are just different numbers, so usually people use lucky numbers or can also go to sacred places to ask for numbers, maybe it's quite unique, but not with countries in Southeast Asia that often do that and the crazy thing is that most of it works, maybe a little mystical but not with the people who do it.

Hahaha, I laugh at what you say, When countries in Southeast Asia including my country in Indonesia indeed lottery gambling is often associated with mystical things, asking for numbers from spirit beings or some signs of nature and dreams that are used as a combination of numbers for the lottery.

But when it comes to success, it also depends on luck, nothing is always right.
Maybe only 1%. Calculations are mathematically more reasonable than having to relate them to mystical things and everything else.

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Quote from: crwth on June 24, 2024, 09:02:09 AM

Well, if you know the theory of lotto, you would know that it's really hard to predict such numbers but having mathematical approach could increase your chances compared to just going out randomly with your number.

It's really hard to predict because the odds of hitting it are in the million range meaning near zero chance.

Some gamblers are so carried away with lotto in my country that some of them believes that calculation works for them but I don't think lotto is different from other gambling games that is based mainly on luck. I have a friend within my neighborhood who claims he understand how to get the right number from the previous number that was dropped.

Predicting random number is the hardest of all because the numbers are from 1-99 making it totally depending on luck. Some gamblers that already understand this don't stress themselves to start calculating because they know it is a waste of time, so what they do is that anywhere they see any number either on football jersey or numbers written on fiat money, they just use those numbers to bet. Funny enough it do workout for some and doesn't for some.

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Quote from: Jaycoinz on October 01, 2024, 08:11:54 AM

Quote from: Kelward on June 21, 2024, 07:48:23 AM

In my country I believe that there are more lotto shops and kiosks than sports bet shops, most Nigerians will be familiar with the popular Baba Ijebu lotto. If you come closer to any of these lotto shops and kiosks, you will notice gamblers of all ages, young and old busy calculating and coming up with probable combinations of numbers that can win. I notice that experienced forecasters and even scammers sells "sure numbers" and other gamblers will pay money to buy these numbers. Some times they win or one number or arrangements can spoil their tickets

Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?

Winning the lottery is simply based on luck and guessing but it's funny that people that have been lucky one or two times think they have a strategy that can always work for them. Lotto are numbers but this doesn't mean that arithmetical calculations can decipher the system. Casino games are programmed and as a gambler you can't crack whatever algorithms that are involved in setting it up, just play and hope to get lucky. Any one that tells you that have predictions based on mathematical calculations is just trying to take your money

The origin of an algorithm cannot escape from the basics of mathematics, which means that when a person has enough expertise and calculation to surpass the ordinary human category, they are able to find the place where they touch the threshold of victory, more precisely, they are very close to the lucky numbers in the lottery because of their extremely special ability. But of course, exceptions are always the minority, the rest are just guesses by feeling, they have no decoding here and from these expressions, the calculations are almost not applicable to a lottery.

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Quote from: crwth on June 24, 2024, 09:02:09 AM

Well, if you know the theory of lotto, you would know that it's really hard to predict such numbers but having mathematical approach could increase your chances compared to just going out randomly with your number.

It's really hard to predict because the odds of hitting it are in the million range meaning near zero chance.

Using mathematical calculations only takes time, but some are right on target, some are just different numbers, so usually people use lucky numbers or can also go to sacred places to ask for numbers, maybe it's quite unique, but not with countries in Southeast Asia that often do that and the crazy thing is that most of it works, maybe a little mystical but not with the people who do it.

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Quote from: Kelward on October 01, 2024, 09:02:09 AM

This is true, most Lotto players that analyzes the possible outcomes of results bases their strategy on results of old games. If you enter Lotto shops in my country you'll see long lists of number combinations that have won in the past and some base their calculations on the probabilities of the numbers repeating again.

That's stupid. Mathematical events are independent. The fact that the number 25 was drawn in the previous draw does not make it any more or less likely that it will be drawn in this one. That is a typical fallacy of those who do not understand mathematics. You are not betting on what will come out in a series of lottery draws, you are betting on what will come out in a single draw, and for that it makes no difference what has come out in previous draws.

Quote from: Kelward on October 01, 2024, 09:02:09 AM

I've researched what they do and decided that there's no mathematics involved to win, you just pick random numbers and try your luck. But I still hear about how a few ignorant people got scammed by buying sure wins, you'd wonder why a person who has sure numbers will bother to sale them. Poverty will make people to believe anything in the hope of getting rich quick.

You did well. The pity is that many poor people end up believing that they can be sold a system for guessing lottery numbers.

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Quote from: Kelward on October 01, 2024, 09:02:09 AM

Quote from: Ararbermas on October 01, 2024, 08:23:39 AM

Base on your question Op , actually most of the lotto player are trying to use mathematics i dont know how they do that and tbh i have a friend of mine that using the previous results to do the process and sometimes he can actually get some of the numbers and having a few mistakes only. Grin

but I don't believe such way because it's a very unpredictable game , imagine they're using a machine on it and there's a lot of ball inside to ramble. Lol so perhaps guessing and most of it are coincidence of having same number of the results..

This is true, most Lotto players that analyzes the possible outcomes of results bases their strategy on results of old games. If you enter Lotto shops in my country you'll see long lists of number combinations that have won in the past and some base their calculations on the probabilities of the numbers repeating again. I've researched what they do and decided that there's no mathematics involved to win, you just pick random numbers and try your luck. But I still hear about how a few ignorant people got scammed by buying sure wins, you'd wonder why a person who has sure numbers will bother to sale them. Poverty will make people to believe anything in the hope of getting rich quick.

People would really be that normally be trying out to be adaptive on which on the moment or time that they've seen out some strategies from other people then they would really be that trying out to make use of it
on the same manner. Its not bad on having that kind of approach as long you've been that trying out to make use of the amount on which you could afford to lose because we do know that odds or chance on winning up on lottery is something that would really be that near impossible on which even you couldnt be able to hit it up on your entire lifetime. This is why it will really be just that bad that you would really be making yourself that too optimistic on things just because you've been seeing others do win up lottery on which we know that this one really need up that extreme luck in the world that you could possibly needed up on hitting those combinations.

This is why it would really be that important that you should really be that knowing on what you are really that dealing on with. You cant just make out some bets like a mad man because you've been
hoping that you could really be able to hit up the jackpot. Actually who doesnt really like on hitting up the jackpot?

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Quote from: Ararbermas on October 01, 2024, 08:23:39 AM

Base on your question Op , actually most of the lotto player are trying to use mathematics i dont know how they do that and tbh i have a friend of mine that using the previous results to do the process and sometimes he can actually get some of the numbers and having a few mistakes only. Grin

but I don't believe such way because it's a very unpredictable game , imagine they're using a machine on it and there's a lot of ball inside to ramble. Lol so perhaps guessing and most of it are coincidence of having same number of the results..

This is true, most Lotto players that analyzes the possible outcomes of results bases their strategy on results of old games. If you enter Lotto shops in my country you'll see long lists of number combinations that have won in the past and some base their calculations on the probabilities of the numbers repeating again. I've researched what they do and decided that there's no mathematics involved to win, you just pick random numbers and try your luck. But I still hear about how a few ignorant people got scammed by buying sure wins, you'd wonder why a person who has sure numbers will bother to sale them. Poverty will make people to believe anything in the hope of getting rich quick.

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Quote from: Kelward on June 21, 2024, 07:48:23 AM

Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?

Anyone who does that is being an asshole. What there have been historically is people who realized that certain lotteries in certain draws, by having accumulated jackpots and distributing them, gave more than what was collected in that draw, and therefore that there was a profitable way to make money by buying many tickets in those draws. There is even a movie about it. But whoever does the “calculations” to pick the numbers is just being an asshole.

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Base on your question Op , actually most of the lotto player are trying to use mathematics i dont know how they do that and tbh i have a friend of mine that using the previous results to do the process and sometimes he can actually get some of the numbers and having a few mistakes only. Grin

but I don't believe such way because it's a very unpredictable game , imagine they're using a machine on it and there's a lot of ball inside to ramble. Lol so perhaps guessing and most of it are coincidence of having same number of the results..

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Quote from: Kelward on June 21, 2024, 07:48:23 AM

In my country I believe that there are more lotto shops and kiosks than sports bet shops, most Nigerians will be familiar with the popular Baba Ijebu lotto. If you come closer to any of these lotto shops and kiosks, you will notice gamblers of all ages, young and old busy calculating and coming up with probable combinations of numbers that can win. I notice that experienced forecasters and even scammers sells "sure numbers" and other gamblers will pay money to buy these numbers. Some times they win or one number or arrangements can spoil their tickets

Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?

Winning the lottery is simply based on luck and guessing but it's funny that people that have been lucky one or two times think they have a strategy that can always work for them. Lotto are numbers but this doesn't mean that arithmetical calculations can decipher the system. Casino games are programmed and as a gambler you can't crack whatever algorithms that are involved in setting it up, just play and hope to get lucky. Any one that tells you that have predictions based on mathematical calculations is just trying to take your money

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Quote from: irhact on June 24, 2024, 05:06:40 PM

There are some individual that have won lottos more than one time and they didn't use any mathematical calculation but were just lucky.

Most probably they have won only those games with small prizes. They probably did not get the jackpot one. I think there are more people betting on the larger/largest prizes which makes your chances of winning slimmer compared to when it was only a few people.

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Having an option to choose between depending on mathematics to win a lotto or depending on luck, I'll choose luck as mathematics might not be able to win you the prize as there's no pattern that a lotto use to select their winners. The winners gets the prize from a fair system that selects it randomly. It isn't the same individuals that participate in the draws always.

In my country lotto results were televised. They would spin these balls and get one with a number on it. It was completely random and I cannot think of a mathematical formula to predict the numbers to be brought out. No matter how smart one is, it’s just not possible.

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Quote from: Assface16678 on June 24, 2024, 09:00:01 AM

Theres a thing about probability in math where you can compute how much probability you can have to win or posibly win in a lotto and I'd say you will not even reach 1% because there a lot of people who play lotto and also there millions of conjination or winning combination so even you could think of the possible combination in order to win lotto you will take a lot of tries and you may not even bet on all of it, so quit dreaming about winning a lotto with pure math equations or what,

There are some individual that have won lottos more than one time and they didn't use any mathematical calculation but were just lucky. Lotto probabilities make it also a hard thing to do but there are some individual that can claim to have use mathematics to win but we can't prove they didn't use it but they still have to prove to us more than one time that using mathematics, you can win a lotto but those individual that depends on luck don't have to prove it as we can see the luck.

Having an option to choose between depending on mathematics to win a lotto or depending on luck, I'll choose luck as mathematics might not be able to win you the prize as there's no pattern that a lotto use to select their winners. The winners gets the prize from a fair system that selects it randomly. It isn't the same individuals that participate in the draws always.

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Quote from: Kelward on June 21, 2024, 07:48:23 AM

In my country I believe that there are more lotto shops and kiosks than sports bet shops, most Nigerians will be familiar with the popular Baba Ijebu lotto. If you come closer to any of these lotto shops and kiosks, you will notice gamblers of all ages, young and old busy calculating and coming up with probable combinations of numbers that can win. I notice that experienced forecasters and even scammers sells "sure numbers" and other gamblers will pay money to buy these numbers. Some times they win or one number or arrangements can spoil their tickets

Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?

Mathematics always work. But in math, we are talking about probability, not prediction. The probability of an event happening can be calculated but there is no 100% certainty of it happening. Predictions are impossible.

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For me all types of games in gambling except sports betting require more luck than math calculations because in my opinion luck cannot be done by math because we never know when lucky will comes to us but probably for some people the mathematical calculations theory can be done in Lotto or lottery and this is interesting because i have one example that there are people who can gets a lot of money from Lotto because recently i have read the stories about Jerry Selbee and his wife that with his method Jerry Selbee can earn over than 26 million by simple method which he called as basic arithmetic because from this method he can predict the outcomes number in Lotto even he can predict the jackpot number and the way he did it at that time did not violate the law even this story was even made into a movie called Jerry & Marge Go Large but indeed i called these people is genius because not all people can have such skills

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Quote from: Kelward on June 21, 2024, 07:48:23 AM

Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?

Random numbers in lottery gambling only the devil/magic knows what numbers will come out, not mathematicians or mathematical scientists, in fact it is easy to prove to those who are experts in mathematical calculations, just invite them to a gambling house and tell them to calculate the lottery numbers that came out today, in fact they don't exist or maybe we will see every day mathematicians win millions of dollars every day for their calculations, but none of that exists.

If mathematicians really did it perfectly, I'm sure we would see every day lottery bookies closing their bets, due to bankruptcy, the fact that lottery gambling is growing rapidly, it proves that mathematicians don't work in lottery gambling, in fact it's easy to judge.

Or other things will be done by the gambling mafia, they will arrest mathematicians to guess lottery numbers or they will employ them to gamble or they themselves gamble, but none of that exists.

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There is a mathematical computation on Wikipedia, but all the calculations are just calculations. It doesn't guarantee anything,

The same article on Wikipedia also stated

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There is only one known way to ensure winning the jackpot. That is to buy at least one lottery ticket for every possible number combination. For example, one has to buy 13,983,816 different tickets to ensure to win the jackpot in a 6/49 game.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lottery_mathematics

Even the best mathematician cannot hit the jackpot in the modern lottery, the lottery will remain to be a luck based game and your chances you have to be extreme;y lucky to hit.

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