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Quote from: Assface16678 on June 24, 2024, 09:00:01 AM

Theres a thing about probability in math where you can compute how much probability you can have to win or posibly win in a lotto and I'd say you will not even reach 1% because there a lot of people who play lotto and also there millions of conjination or winning combination so even you could think of the possible combination in order to win lotto you will take a lot of tries and you may not even bet on all of it, so quit dreaming about winning a lotto with pure math equations or what, if you are the lucky one then you will most likely won a huge amount but if not then dont hope too much as there are millions of people that is also dreaming about winning a lotto in order to change their lives. It's okay to enjoy and play lotto as much as you want, but don't be too delusional and hopeful that you could win someday; it will only hurt you.

Probability as you said can be squared as odds, this is like in other words, odds tell us how possible it is for us to win a game, and how impossible it is as well, like we all know that the higher an odd is, the higher the risk of losing our money in that game, and the lower an odd is, the higher our chances of winning the game.
But still, probability does not remove the fact that winning and losing in gambling is remains that 50/50 chances, though are usually some factors that when considered and put into calculations, our chances of winning greatly reduces, and one of such factors is same as I have mentioned : odds.

But on the other hand, you are right and I agree with all that you have said; in general terms though.
Winning in lotto is not enough as it seems or appears, it's one of the simplest games to play in gambling (just guessing some numbers), but it's also one of the hardest to win.

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Well, if you know the theory of lotto, you would know that it's really hard to predict such numbers but having mathematical approach could increase your chances compared to just going out randomly with your number.

It's really hard to predict because the odds of hitting it are in the million range meaning near zero chance.

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Theres a thing about probability in math where you can compute how much probability you can have to win or posibly win in a lotto and I'd say you will not even reach 1% because there a lot of people who play lotto and also there millions of conjination or winning combination so even you could think of the possible combination in order to win lotto you will take a lot of tries and you may not even bet on all of it, so quit dreaming about winning a lotto with pure math equations or what, if you are the lucky one then you will most likely won a huge amount but if not then dont hope too much as there are millions of people that is also dreaming about winning a lotto in order to change their lives. It's okay to enjoy and play lotto as much as you want, but don't be too delusional and hopeful that you could win someday; it will only hurt you.

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Quote from: DaNNy001 on June 23, 2024, 07:40:55 AM

Gambling generally is centred on luck and that mean all we do is mere predictions. However it's only in sport betting that we use some of our experience to make quality predictions which might seem as though we are not guessing, and to be honest that what brings the fun from sport betting. But considering Lotto being a game of number prediction, it's obvious it's just guesses and nothing logical there. All those who think they've come to understanding the algorithm by studying and playing for long, they are only deceiving themselves.

Well, even though there are stories of people who managed to win lotteries with mathematical calculations in the past, I don't believe it was all based on calculations, they used to collect a lot of money from a lot of people and use that money to buy tickets and then win the lottery multiple times in a row, but can't that be a coincidence and mere luck? Someone can win back-to-back lotteries if they are buying a bunch of tickets and if they are lucky enough.

Someone who doesn't have enough money to buy a lot of tickets or have any luck would barely be able to win a lottery because the odds are generally very low for someone to win a lottery because there are a lot of tickets sold to millions of people and among them, only a few would get lucky.

These repeated winners are not merely lucky; they are also ambitious. They are clever. They developed a system and are playing the game more cleverly than more forcefully. Though, the lottery is a long shot; I would not lie to you. That is how it is intended. To win, though, you have to be wise about it. Do your homework, understand the odds, and maybe, just maybe, you'll hit the jackpot.

Not everyone can afford to engage in this game. Its a tough world out there, and some folks just dont have the cash to throw around. We gotta be mindful of that. Though it is a dream, the lottery may also be a trap. Thus, play wise, play safe, and who knows? Perhaps you will be the next great prize-winner.

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The purely mechanical ball drop machines used to select winning lottery numbers are so chaotic in their operation that manipulating or calculating their output is highly improbable and therefore effectively random.

The computerized pseudo random number generators used to select quick pick numbers when you buy lottery tickets are ultimately deterministic, but since they cannot influence the mechanical selection process, they don't have to be.

Lotteries don't have to cheat. They will always make more than they pay out by design.

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There is always a formula for it and if you knows it very well it will be more easier for you to handle it, I don't know where I can have this news backs again, because as then there was a news that came up that win heavily on lotto after having discuss the trick and secret behind the game.

Are you sure? Because if that is real, then we can think that many gamblers will buy lottery tickets rather than gamble in card games and sports betting.
I know some are doing this and in fact, some of my neighbors did this for many years but it is sad to say that they never win the jackpot prize. This claim never works in reality aside from having an inside job and manipulation.

There are some rumors spread in our country that some people pay millions to the operator to win the jackpot prize worth millions as well. This is a big secret behind all these winning numbers, not the said mathematical calculations that you hear.

The formula in the past may be more reliable when the rule framework as well as the lottery numbers are not complete, more accurate, the thinking ability in the past era was relatively low and so the formula is not easily discovered. As the times develop, the applicable formulas have become unknown, besides the organizers' calculations have constantly changed with the times, mathematical parameters are no longer valid because the organizer no longer maintains any rules, it is completely irregular and in this era we can only guess more, instead of calculating.

That is why I thought and we believe there is still we rely on luck not on any mathematical calculations that we think. Besides, even asking old gamblers, they couldn't tell or have proof that it works. Having this, winning still remains just a coincidence not because they are correct in their formula. If there is someone who could prove that the lottery machine runs with mathematical calculations. In that case, that is the time I would say hearsay is right but because no one, then we could think that the results are certainly out of control from the operator unless they manipulate it.
And they should as this will affect their reputation and the legality of the results where gamblers expect a clean and fair lottery.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on June 23, 2024, 02:49:32 PM

Car accident being more common than lottery win doesn't really feel that shocking, we see one car accident per day and even average more than that for non-lethal ones, but fatal ones are over one per day in my nation alone, imagine how common that is.

This isn't to say some of these aren't shocking, like dying at plane crash being more common than winning lottery does feel like it's funny lol, but also you need to remember that the "odds" of that lottery is ticket based, not person based. Meaning it is 292 million to one for a ticket, if you buy two tickets then suddenly it is half that, if you buy four then it's quarter that. So that means if you buy 100 tickets, suddenly you beat out most of these easily and be more common, not that it would be easy to win, you still do not win, but the chances would be higher than dying at a plane crash at least.

You are correct. You do increase the chances of winning by buying more tickets, but you also increase the amount of money you risk losing. In order to have a 100% chance of winning a 292.2 million to 1 lottery (Powerball), you would have to buy 292.2 million tickets at $2 each. Remember, sometimes multiple people pick the same winning numbers and the jackpot is shared. Often, nobody picks the numbers and the jackpot grows.

You could easily spend $584.4 million on lottery tickets just to have to share half your jackpot with a little old lady who bought a single $2 ticket. 😋

Then there are the deductions from your winnings. Instant payout opposed to annuity - you get half. Federal and state taxes, you lose another half.

So to break even on a Powerball win, you must buy every combination of tickets $584.4 million dollars and be the only jackpot winner of a $2B jackpot.

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Quote from: Kelward on June 21, 2024, 07:48:23 AM

In my country I believe that there are more lotto shops and kiosks than sports bet shops, most Nigerians will be familiar with the popular Baba Ijebu lotto. If you come closer to any of these lotto shops and kiosks, you will notice gamblers of all ages, young and old busy calculating and coming up with probable combinations of numbers that can win. I notice that experienced forecasters and even scammers sells "sure numbers" and other gamblers will pay money to buy these numbers. Some times they win or one number or arrangements can spoil their tickets

Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?

in my country there are several games like the lottery and similar games, I and other people interested in this game have experimented and done a lot of calculations but the result is that in the end the house always wins considering that they have studied well how winning is not possible mathematically make a prediction in some games, they have made them so complicated that it is impossible to make a prediction or calculate the probability of winning on many numbers in our country there are games with 6 numbers to play out of 100 it is easier to be struck by lightning than to win haha

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Quote from: darkangel11 on June 22, 2024, 12:50:56 PM

I suspect that many of these lotto games are fixed. I remember back in the 90s they'd run a lottery in my country and after 10 or 15 years of running it someone made a map where every big win was scored and somehow most big winners lived in or around the capital. So, out of maybe 20 big wins, 15 were less than 50 km from the capital. That did not look like a coincidence, since maybe 10% of the country lived in that area, but it had over 70% win rate. Nobody managed to prove anything though Wink

There's no way to mathematically predict the numbers, forget about that.

Too many tales about lotto not being based on luck alone, I've even heard from some people that sells these so called "sure numbers" to ignorant gamblers, telling them that the lotto machines can be manipulated. That they get the numbers from the company's officials at a price and they're resellers. I know that most of these number sellers are scammers but the question is if some of the machines can actually be compromised? That's something that I can not answer because some of their numbers wins, and I wonder if it's coincidence and luck alone or whether there's really more to it.

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Quote from: DaNNy001 on June 23, 2024, 07:40:55 AM

Gambling generally is centred on luck and that mean all we do is mere predictions. However it's only in sport betting that we use some of our experience to make quality predictions which might seem as though we are not guessing, and to be honest that what brings the fun from sport betting. But considering Lotto being a game of number prediction, it's obvious it's just guesses and nothing logical there. All those who think they've come to understanding the algorithm by studying and playing for long, they are only deceiving themselves.

Well, even though there are stories of people who managed to win lotteries with mathematical calculations in the past, I don't believe it was all based on calculations, they used to collect a lot of money from a lot of people and use that money to buy tickets and then win the lottery multiple times in a row, but can't that be a coincidence and mere luck? Someone can win back-to-back lotteries if they are buying a bunch of tickets and if they are lucky enough.

Someone who doesn't have enough money to buy a lot of tickets or have any luck would barely be able to win a lottery because the odds are generally very low for someone to win a lottery because there are a lot of tickets sold to millions of people and among them, only a few would get lucky.

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Quote from: Kelward on June 21, 2024, 07:48:23 AM

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Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?

Calculations in lotto are pretty much useless. I'm not betting on lotto here in our country, but I know that there are some bettors who are picking 6 numbers (since 6 is the number of numbers we can bet most of the time), and they will just bet on those 6 numbers for years, and years.

Just for context, the chances of somebody to win on a lotto is 0.00000387% (assuming that there are 54 numbers, and you need 6 numbers to win). Even lower than my chances of getting struck by lightning which is 0.0000818%. This is the reason why I don't bet in lotto. The chances are low and even though the price money is huge, and it can change someone's life, the amount of money you need to win that price is huge as well.

In short, forget the calculations and sh*t. Whether it's lotto, or whatever is, it's all about luck and nothing more.

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Forget Lotto, forget gambling, maths applies to everything you can think of. Is it better then guess work, sure it is but do you want to put in the effort to work out really? Not often will people put in the homework to calculate the odds properly, it could be a long draw out problem but some people like problems and crosswords.

I know someone doing a phd in mathematics of bubbles, the soapy ones you use to wash your dishes with. Yes calculations can be drawn up for almost anything and in most sectors of industry maths is used most often statistics and probability for insurance purposes etc.

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Quote from: Kelward on June 21, 2024, 07:48:23 AM

In my country I believe that there are more lotto shops and kiosks than sports bet shops, most Nigerians will be familiar with the popular Baba Ijebu lotto. If you come closer to any of these lotto shops and kiosks, you will notice gamblers of all ages, young and old busy calculating and coming up with probable combinations of numbers that can win. I notice that experienced forecasters and even scammers sells "sure numbers" and other gamblers will pay money to buy these numbers. Some times they win or one number or arrangements can spoil their tickets

Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?

Like everything, the notion of some gambles being mathematical or at least something that can be put into equation is nuanced, cause we have lotto games that are literally deterministic at its core and are therefore easily calculated, like the windfall lottery tickets in that one movie where an old couple got rich gaming the lotto, and then there are unfathomably random lotto games that you're better off just guessing the numbers instead of putting too much thought into it, since it doesn't really going to change things at the end of the day and you'll only end up with an exhausted brain and a losing ticket.

In any case, this is the very reason why I don't like betting on lotto games, the fact alone that you literally have no hold whether you win or lose, despite all efforts on your end just takes away the fun factor of gambling from me.

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Car accident being more common than lottery win doesn't really feel that shocking, we see one car accident per day and even average more than that for non-lethal ones, but fatal ones are over one per day in my nation alone, imagine how common that is.

This isn't to say some of these aren't shocking, like dying at plane crash being more common than winning lottery does feel like it's funny lol, but also you need to remember that the "odds" of that lottery is ticket based, not person based. Meaning it is 292 million to one for a ticket, if you buy two tickets then suddenly it is half that, if you buy four then it's quarter that. So that means if you buy 100 tickets, suddenly you beat out most of these easily and be more common, not that it would be easy to win, you still do not win, but the chances would be higher than dying at a plane crash at least.

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Quote from: Kelward on June 21, 2024, 07:48:23 AM

In my country I believe that there are more lotto shops and kiosks than sports bet shops, most Nigerians will be familiar with the popular Baba Ijebu lotto. If you come closer to any of these lotto shops and kiosks, you will notice gamblers of all ages, young and old busy calculating and coming up with probable combinations of numbers that can win. I notice that experienced forecasters and even scammers sells "sure numbers" and other gamblers will pay money to buy these numbers. Some times they win or one number or arrangements can spoil their tickets

Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?

Anytime I'm going to work in the morning, I see a lot of people sitting on the bench waiting for the next game to play in those kiosk and I just pity the system of governance in Nigeria. I don't blame them though, the government isn't doing their part to secure jobs and basic things for people that's why you see this number increases, if you want to see the wonders maybe you should check those kiosk by weekends, that's when you will see the madness in gambling that loves lotto.

Regarding the mathematical calculation, I don't think there is any special equation that works for getting the real numbers. From look, the lotto looks easy and that's why you see many of them there but it's very difficult to predict and win, it's just guess and win and because you can stake a peanut amount to win big amounts, it attracts a lot of people to play and they don't feel like they loss because the amount they stake is very small but the lotto house is winning after accumulatimg thousands of those small numbers to pay small amount to few lucky winners.

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Quote from: Kelward on June 21, 2024, 07:48:23 AM

In my country I believe that there are more lotto shops and kiosks than sports bet shops, most Nigerians will be familiar with the popular Baba Ijebu lotto. If you come closer to any of these lotto shops and kiosks, you will notice gamblers of all ages, young and old busy calculating and coming up with probable combinations of numbers that can win. I notice that experienced forecasters and even scammers sells "sure numbers" and other gamblers will pay money to buy these numbers. Some times they win or one number or arrangements can spoil their tickets

Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?

There is no way that anyone could possibly predict the combos. They are generated by complex algorithms and if they do guess the combo they hacked in to get the combo and they cheated lol there is no other way, otherwise everyone would win lol

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Quote from: Adbitco on June 23, 2024, 09:48:33 AM

Who knows there is every possibility because gamblers are too desperate and I know what a desperate gambler can do to have themselves into as winners. Maybe I could be wrong or write but you know as news do fly around so, it could be a cooked story who knows provided that they have written something to convinced the media or it could be that such content creator did that to attract audience and make their article reach wider audience.

It’s mathematically impossible to calculate the exact winning combination since you will only winning numbers history as basis for your calculation while those records is useless due to the mechanism of how lottery draw works.

Developing a mathematical trick is useless or else math expert should dedicated their life for this formula just to have a great fortune. If you are watching the lottery draw, they are using balls and air suction to choose random ball which there’s no pattern on the draw.

Most of the news and articles that suggest this formula is obviously a click bait hoax.

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Quote from: |MINER| on June 23, 2024, 04:52:28 AM

In the case of gambling, no matter how much you calculate, it is ultimately your prediction and it is not a possible sure thing that will definitely happen. But these predictions increase your chances of winning a lot. But ultimately gambling always depends on luck. Therefore, I think that even if you can make a good calculation and prediction, there will still be a risk of loss.

No matter how much is counted in gambling, luck is required to win at gambling. Sometimes even after having good experience, gambling loses. I have seen that gambling is more likely to lose when time is wasted on gambling. There are more. So I think we should be careful while gambling so that we can gamble with a good experience of gambling. Everyone is happy when they win in gambling and when they lose in gambling it hurts a lot.

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Yes I would yes, in my country mathematical calculations work very nicely to show players should get away from our national lottery game and from the transnational one (Euro millions) available here, because RTPs of those games are just awful, respectively 53% and 50%. It means you're likely to lose half the money you bet in the long run, even if you get big winnings. Besides that, draws are always independent from the previous ones. If a number hasn't been drawn since long time or if it has been drawn several times recently it doesn't mean it has less chances or more chances to get drawn at the next round. It's just balls without any memory.

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Quote from: mirakal on June 22, 2024, 11:04:50 PM

Quote from: Adbitco on June 21, 2024, 06:11:27 PM

There is always a formula for it and if you knows it very well it will be more easier for you to handle it, I don't know where I can have this news backs again, because as then there was a news that came up that win heavily on lotto after having discuss the trick and secret behind the game.

Are you sure? Because if that is real, then we can think that many gamblers will buy lottery tickets rather than gamble in card games and sports betting.
I know some are doing this and in fact, some of my neighbors did this for many years but it is sad to say that they never win the jackpot prize. This claim never works in reality aside from having an inside job and manipulation.

There are some rumors spread in our country that some people pay millions to the operator to win the jackpot prize worth millions as well. This is a big secret behind all these winning numbers, not the said mathematical calculations that you hear.

Who knows there is every possibility because gamblers are too desperate and I know what a desperate gambler can do to have themselves into as winners. Maybe I could be wrong or write but you know as news do fly around so, it could be a cooked story who knows provided that they have written something to convinced the media or it could be that such content creator did that to attract audience and make their article reach wider audience.

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