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Quote from: Kelward on June 21, 2024, 07:48:23 AM

Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?

Here I will talk about the forms of lottery in general, not just the ones you find in your country. This is because of the difference between lottery programs, as some programs rely on electronic applications to extract the winning number, while other programs rely on manual methods in order to make the matter appear more transparent.
In all of these cases, mathematical equations can play a role in analyzing the results and helping to choose the numbers in what we can call logical expectations, but this cannot be specific for deciding which numbers will definitely win.

Mathematical calculations only eliminate guesswork and doubt, but they cannot determine the final result. The desired results depend on pure luck and chance (except in cases of manipulation), so we cannot rely solely on mathematical calculations.

Also mathematical calculations are not enough to reassure us that we will win the lottery, but they can help us make rational decisions about how much to invest and which numbers to choose.

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I suspect that many of these lotto games are fixed. I remember back in the 90s they'd run a lottery in my country and after 10 or 15 years of running it someone made a map where every big win was scored and somehow most big winners lived in or around the capital. So, out of maybe 20 big wins, 15 were less than 50 km from the capital. That did not look like a coincidence, since maybe 10% of the country lived in that area, but it had over 70% win rate. Nobody managed to prove anything though Wink

There's no way to mathematically predict the numbers, forget about that.

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First of thing, mentioning people selling tickets with sure numbers is like selling a money printer, logically, if these tickets are winning then why not keeping its for themselves and get more profit than what they would get when selling them. This is definitely a scam.

Quote from: Kelward on June 21, 2024, 07:48:23 AM

Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?

I would it’s is very rare to impossible for someone to apply mathematical calculations to win in a lotto or any other gambling game, since it is something profitable for the organization that held that lottery and not to spend money on the winners and lose. If you think well about this, the ones who created this lottery also wouldn’t let anyone to use mathematical analysis to take advantage and cause them losses, I would say that most of lotteries are similar to hacking a 12 key phrase wallet.

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The mathematical (statistical \ probabilistic) calculations work perfectly.

They tell you the chances of winning the lottery are astronomically low. The problem is lottery players just don't want to accept that. 😂🤣😅

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Mathematical calculations don't make it possible for a gambler to win in lotto games. Winning is primarily dependent on luck. If you observe very well, you will discover that even those gamblers who are buying those predictions still don't win the game all the time. They will end up losing the money spent on buying the prediction and also the money that was staked in the game.

I really don't think that mathematical knowledge can help any gambler make more profit than other gamblers in any form of gambling activity. Although having a good idea about a particular game can help you make predictions that can be more accurate, it still depends on luck for your bet to go as predicted.

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Quote from: Kelward on June 21, 2024, 07:48:23 AM

(...)Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?

It exists both yes or no

Any situation can happen in this game. Although I don't bother too much with researching calculations to apply gambling, I also see some cases where they give statistics about numbers data to predict the next bet. But anyway, that is within "own" control and they also know that to come up with ways to resist analysis.

Perhaps with gambling, giving a certain formula is just a means to help us have more confidence in the decision, but if it is not as desired, it will also cause confusion.

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Quote from: Stepstowealth on June 21, 2024, 10:29:38 AM

Quote from: Kelward on June 21, 2024, 07:48:23 AM

Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?

It is difficult for humans to predict an exact number that a machine will produce unless that person faking the predictions is thee person tampering with it or it's just a lucky guess. If mathematical calculations really work in these sort of gambling, many mathematicians will have focused their attention there so that they can quickly become millionaires from it, exercising their mathematical knowledge.

Quote from: pawanjain on June 21, 2024, 10:18:26 AM

So from my POV, it depends on how the winning numbers are derived.

Even if the numbers follow in a series or in a sequence, chances of being correct from any formulae is still very small.

I don't agree to that personally because everything is based on calculations. A human can calculate the exact number a computer is deriving if he knows the algorithm.
Humans have created computers at first place and so humans are more than capable to replicate the answer based on the given algorithm.
They might be little slower than computers but they can surely derive the number.

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Quote from: Kelward on June 22, 2024, 05:46:46 AM

Infact the major reason why I started this thread is because I spoke with a friend that claims that he knows how to calculate the string keys of how Baba Ijebu lotto machines combines numbers, and he can predict when a perticular combination of numbers will drop. I'll see him busy calculating and making comparison with sets of numbers that have won in the past, although I don't know how often that his predictions works. I've collected numbers once from him but I lost the game, and he called me after some days that the combination of numbers that he gave to me have won. Maybe there are few geniuses that can give near accurate guesses about lotto numbers, but I know that most of them are scammers.

If you wants, you can use his number prediction to see if he is really have that skills to predict the number that will comes out or he will wrong this time. You can say to him that he can gives his prediction number to you while you don't have to wait for him busy calculating and making comparison with sets of numbers.

Nothing to lose to pick his numbers but if you still lose after some prediction, you can say that he is not good as his claims and you don't have to use his prediction anymore. It still difficult to predict the right number from gambling because casino will not lets people wins easily even though people have skills to predict. You don't have to say that he is a scammers so he will not feels anything bad about his prediction numbers.

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Quote from: Kelward on June 21, 2024, 07:48:23 AM

In my country I believe that there are more lotto shops and kiosks than sports bet shops, most Nigerians will be familiar with the popular Baba Ijebu lotto. If you come closer to any of these lotto shops and kiosks, you will notice gamblers of all ages, young and old busy calculating and coming up with probable combinations of numbers that can win. I notice that experienced forecasters and even scammers sells "sure numbers" and other gamblers will pay money to buy these numbers. Some times they win or one number or arrangements can spoil their tickets

Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?

They are just trying to follow previous happenings and predict the future events. They are not sure in whatever they are doing there. If they are sure about the game they should have been millionaires by now. Why sell a game for few bucks when you know that the game is sure and it will play. Why not sell off your assets and play the game and replace those assets when that sure game play. In nutshell they are just guessing numbers, if it happens the way they guessed it, they will be happy and most times it doesn't happen that way.
These set of people are always clever, they will tell those their clients they usually sell those games to, that the money is non refundable, so when the game fails you won't bother them. You know if you see the pattern that something usually happens, you can just predict it to happen again, that doesn't make you an expert or make you think you can calculate games that will play out.

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Quote from: Reredmi896 on June 22, 2024, 09:53:42 AM

If using mathematical calculations in lottery predictions, many people will win the bet in placing numbers,
I don't think such calculations can be used to win bets,
the organizer will go bankrupt if this can be done,
But it is not strange when it comes to this, in my country it is also the case, generally bettors will calculate the good numbers they will put on their bets by looking at the previous numbers with a mathematical system or other systems that they think can win bets. Because basically the lottery game is like that, as bettors they just follow the flow of the game hoping that they get lucky.

Lottery is a pure luck based game so using previous number history to calculate the outcome of the upcoming round is useless since it doesn’t affect the result.

It’s impossible to calculate the result unless you knew exactly the mechanism of the lottery machine and tweak it in-favor to your bet such as decreasing the wait of the ball of your preferred number combinations but this is cheating and needed an inside job.

In general there’s no way to apply math for determining the result of the game.

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Quote from: Kelward on June 21, 2024, 07:48:23 AM

Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?

If using mathematical calculations in lottery predictions, many people will win the bet in placing numbers,
I don't think such calculations can be used to win bets,
the organizer will go bankrupt if this can be done,
But it is not strange when it comes to this, in my country it is also the case, generally bettors will calculate the good numbers they will put on their bets by looking at the previous numbers with a mathematical system or other systems that they think can win bets. Because basically the lottery game is like that, as bettors they just follow the flow of the game hoping that they get lucky.

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Quote from: mv1986 on June 21, 2024, 06:42:35 PM

In Germany was a jackpot in 2011 where 78 players had to share it and the numbers they took were: 3 - 13 - 23 - 33 - 38 - 49.

In April 1999, there were almost 40,000 payers choosing 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 26. They got 379 Deutsche Mark back then. I am sure they never picked those numbers again Wink

Well, trying to imagine what it's like to win the lottery and then find out you have to share it with 40k people... cold shower! I guess some of them stopped playing the lottery after this.

I'm not a big fan of the lottery, I have played before crytpo, and maybe once or twice I had 2-3 tickets, mostly it was one ticket. I understand people who invest more money and buy a lot of tickets, but it's not very interesting to me... Keno has been much more to my taste in recent years, it's faster and more exciting.

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Quote from: Kelward on June 21, 2024, 07:48:23 AM

Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?

I am an avid lotto bettor, and many of my friends and none of us or those who I know who bet have their own mathematical calculation that they use to bet even if there are I don't think it will work, it's not proven that mathematical calculation will work on lotto because if there is an established formula the lotto industry will be in perish.
Lotto will always be luck based, there are those who claim that mathematical calculations work but it is not 100% established, and there is no accurate calculation, people will bet based on their preferences, lucky combinations, or random but there will be no mathematical calculation that works, we have a lot of good mathematicians, but they cannot come out a formula.

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Quote from: livingfree on June 21, 2024, 06:25:03 PM

Well, it's a game that certainly relies on luck but I remember that there have been news about a math/statistics teacher able to hit many times in the lottery.

I'm not sure about that but that person might just have been lucky. There's no way to beat the system of the lottery and it can be propaganda so that people will keep on believing that there are mathematical ways to beat lotto.

When you realize that it's hard to beat it, you'd see how much money you've enjoyed with it but then a loss is a loss.

It’s true. This person calculates the number of bets needed to cover all the potential number combinations and gather funds to cover for the bets required. The person doesn’t calculate the exact number combinations that will win but rather the amount bets required to have a sure win.

I remember they are under investigation before since he is colluding with lots of investors to cover for this sure bet which lottery doesn’t allowed. His only risk is when some bettors win also to share the pot prize since this will decrease the win to cover for the total expenses made for all the bet.

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Quote from: Kelward on June 21, 2024, 07:48:23 AM

Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?

Simple logic, if lotto can be predicted by calculation/math then there must be many people become rich from it and lotto platform will no longer exist.
People may do calculation using formula as they wish but there is no guarantee that the number they get from the calculation will be the one as the result.
The same thing happened in my country, there are many people try to predict by math by creating their own formula based on the previous results.
What is the result? They will aalways change the formula and I do think that what they do is wasting time because even if there is one time their prediction is come true, it is not because of the calculation but simply because of luck.

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Quote from: Kelward on June 22, 2024, 05:46:46 AM

I've collected numbers once from him but I lost the game, and he called me after some days that the combination of numbers that he gave to me have won.

So what do you make of this? Is it the same game he gave you that you lost and he told you that you won the game? However, I know baba ijebu lotto has different segments of the games they bet on and there are different names attached to them and of different different times of the day like morning games have different games on it, afternoon games also have different games likewise evening. Or perhaps you have misplaced the timeframe he gave you to play on another timeframe.

Quote from: Kelward on June 22, 2024, 05:46:46 AM

Maybe there are few geniuses that can give near accurate guesses about lotto numbers, but I know that most of them are scammers.

Near accurate games or numbers is as good as no numbers because the ultimate price is the winning and if you don't win but get close to winning it means you have lost that money. In betting or lotto as the case may be, there is no consolation for near misses. This near misses is prevalent with gambling especially in multiple betting and that is what discourages gambling alot. Instead of near accurate, winning is better but there is no guarantee to have a winning and that is why those who give out games in the guise of knowing the outcome of games should not be listened to. They are only doing triers and collecting the money from such people who rely on them.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on June 21, 2024, 10:10:54 AM

I just heard that people can calculating the probability of the combinations of numbers that can wins but not many people can calculates with right and gives that wins to them. Many people just wrong in the calculation and makes them losses their money.

It needs experience to have that skills so they can predict the right numbers that can gives them wins. But some people can guessing with right and only pick random number combinations and that's because their luck comes in the right time. We can see that some people can hit the jackpot while they don't knows about calculating the combination of the numbers. But they are lucky enough to wins the jackpot and bring the money to home.

Infact the major reason why I started this thread is because I spoke with a friend that claims that he knows how to calculate the string keys of how Baba Ijebu lotto machines combines numbers, and he can predict when a perticular combination of numbers will drop. I'll see him busy calculating and making comparison with sets of numbers that have won in the past, although I don't know how often that his predictions works. I've collected numbers once from him but I lost the game, and he called me after some days that the combination of numbers that he gave to me have won. Maybe there are few geniuses that can give near accurate guesses about lotto numbers, but I know that most of them are scammers.

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In fact, in guessing, there are several methods that gamblers usually use. One of them which is quite famous is using mathematical calculation as a probably theory. Usually there will be several possible theories using mathematical calculations based on the general behavior of lotteries in general. So you could say that Mathematical analysis is not just magic or relying on luck, but there is a way, and that is the power of probability theory and combinatorics that come together. So it produces numbers that are likely to be close or who knows, maybe your guess is correct.

Source: How to Win the Lottery According to Math

But unfortunately, up to now, I personally haven't been able to do it. Because this really requires patience and uniqueness. Meanwhile, we sometimes just carelessly pick or add numbers. So, yes, luck is immediately present to us, there must be something we have done and this is the first time we have got the results, as if we had succeeded in having quite high luck.

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Quote from: Kelward on June 21, 2024, 07:48:23 AM

In my country I believe that there are more lotto shops and kiosks than sports bet shops, most Nigerians will be familiar with the popular Baba Ijebu lotto. If you come closer to any of these lotto shops and kiosks, you will notice gamblers of all ages, young and old busy calculating and coming up with probable combinations of numbers that can win. I notice that experienced forecasters and even scammers sells "sure numbers" and other gamblers will pay money to buy these numbers. Some times they win or one number or arrangements can spoil their tickets

Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?

Assuming you have a lottery with 50 numbers, like the Eurojackpot (let's leave the extra numbers aside), what is the probability for the combination 1,2,3,4,5 to occur? What is the probability for 4,8,15,22,38 to occur? It is the same. The only difference is that it is more likely that you will have to share a jackpot with more people when you choose patterns. For instance, birthday dates or some symmetry etc. That is why it makes more sense to rather choose your numbers with closed eyes instead of using patterns. But the probability for any five number to occur is always the same.

Still though lots of people prefer to use special dates of whatever kind. Birthdays are very popular. The further you go away from patterns, the more likely it is that less people chose the same.

In Germany was a jackpot in 2011 where 78 players had to share it and the numbers they took were: 3 - 13 - 23 - 33 - 38 - 49.

In April 1999, there were almost 40,000 payers choosing 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 26. They got 379 Deutsche Mark back then. I am sure they never picked those numbers again Wink

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Quote from: Kelward on June 21, 2024, 07:48:23 AM

In my country I believe that there are more lotto shops and kiosks than sports bet shops, most Nigerians will be familiar with the popular Baba Ijebu lotto. If you come closer to any of these lotto shops and kiosks, you will notice gamblers of all ages, young and old busy calculating and coming up with probable combinations of numbers that can win. I notice that experienced forecasters and even scammers sells "sure numbers" and other gamblers will pay money to buy these numbers. Some times they win or one number or arrangements can spoil their tickets

Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?

That's the ever hardest problem to compute mate, well if this modern technologies bounded with AI applications I must say it's the best time for programmers to code it. It just sounds funny seeing probable combinations to be easy, but unfortunately it was really not. Calculation is far more difficult thing to do, since this lotto gambling has been set at random picks despite of several controversies about being set to pre setted results during the preliminary testing at their local machine.

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